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Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Obviously Seattle saw something in Daniels. They were astute enough to choose Wilson while many others passed. And Skelton has failed at numerouss venues. It's a puzzling move to say the least. Plus we picked up Marecic only to release him days later. Harbaugh and Baalke are not omnicient and have made questionable decisions before, so it's reasonable to question this one. The poster has every right to ask the question and doesn't deserve the sarcasm directed at him by some. After all, this is a forum isn't it?

i remember when Seattle saw something in Nate Disav
Originally posted by boast:

i remember when Seattle saw something in Nate Disav

I see what you did ereht
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Obviously Seattle saw something in Daniels. They were astute enough to choose Wilson while many others passed. And Skelton has failed at numerouss venues. It's a puzzling move to say the least. Plus we picked up Marecic only to release him days later. Harbaugh and Baalke are not omnicient and have made questionable decisions before, so it's reasonable to question this one. The poster has every right to ask the question and doesn't deserve the sarcasm directed at him by some. After all, this is a forum isn't it?

i remember when Seattle saw something in Nate Disav

That's terrible...
Originally posted by Rascal:
Well, Seattle is no doubt a genuine concern, so I don't understand why you say is bizarre. In all likelihood, the playoffs will have to go through Seattle, if we can't beat them, don't you think is a problem ? LOL.

Yes, in the meantime, we have to sort ourselves out, but I am sorry, the bulk of the moves the FO has made are at the very least questionable. Before we talk about BJ, let's talk about John Skelton. John Skelton, really ? The QB with the worst TD/INT % in 2012, 2TDs and 9 INTs. Do you like Skelton ? Besides, who signed McCoy in the first place ? Whether BJ can play now is debatable. At the very least, he outperformed McCoy and Tolzien in the preseason. And really what is the problem with playing a rookie ? Many teams do it. Why can't I judge Kap ? Can I judge other rookie QBs ? I will leave the top picks out of the discussion like Luck and RG3. What about Russell Wilson ? 3rd rounder right ? Too high up ? How about Kurt Cousins ? 4th rounder, how about it ? Still too high up ? You don't want me to pull the Tom Brady card, do you ? And by the way, we never played Wallace, oh sorry, my mistake, we did for 2 mins. We didn't even extend him the courtesy to evaluate him properly. All we did was we forced McCoy to take a massive paycut and nothing more.

OK, Cam, noone said he was the answer or anything along those lines. He was an improving player who could contribute and showed encouraging signs in the preseason. So, we traded him for a 7th, what's the sense in that ?

Hawkins, now we are talking. At least we agree on something. A dynamic player who can also return kicks. Can you explain to me, why did we cut him and kept only 5 WRs ? Didn't we learn anything from last year about injuries ? 5 WRs, really ? Even last year we had 6. OK, here we go again, Patton goes down with a fractured foot and we are left with 4 WRs unless you count Osgood on special teams. Could it be because Hawkins caused the 2 infamous penalties ? LOL. The kid apologized and that still wasn't good enough ? It was a preseason game for cry out loud. I am sorry this isn't hindsight, he already showed some of his worth in the preseason, but we just chose to ignore it.

Of course, we can't sign every single FA, that is not where the contention lies, is about signing the right ones.

Right now we're such a mess (for our talent level) due to injuries and poor execution that it doesn't matter who we have to go through in the playoffs. Let's get to the playoffs first. If we get there and we have our act together, I fancy our chances against anyone, like I did in 1988. Anyway, it's neither BJD, nor Hawkins, nor any of your "questionable" FO moves that put us to our current (comparative) mess. It's injuries, questionable playcalling, and poor execution. Not who's the 3rd string QB or OLB.

Skelton: no, I don't "like him" he looked awful at AZ, although behind a ridiculously bad line. My point is that the FO is obviously worried about backup QB, hence what seems to be a standing order to Kaep not to run if he can avoid it, and hence all the moves to get veteran backup. If they thought BJD would slot in in a real NFL game they would have promoted him to backup and cut McCoy. They obviously didn't. They had all the practices to go by, and we have 2.5 preseason games against stiffs, most of whom aren't in the league. Perhaps they are wrong, and Daniels becomes a solid NFL player; if so, good for the lad, I'll be happy for him. It still won't make the strategy "questionable".

The terrible state of the backup NFL QB situation is something that has been discussed to death in every sports publication out there. The teams which would hope to survive their starter missing more than a month with a 500 record or better can be counted in the fingers of one hand. Everyone's going on about Cousins, but come on, he hasn't done anything yet to merit all this man-love. Look at what happened to Chicago in 2011 after Cutler got hurt: the backup was totally s**te and so was the rest of the season. If Kaep missed more than 4 games, we'd be in serious poo, but if he only missed up to 4 the FO hope that veteran leadership plus other parts of the team taking up the slack would give us 1 or 2 wins. I have my doubts whether they could (look what Dilfer did when he came in in 2007), but I can't blame them for giving up on a developmental player in order to have the best crack at it.

Hawkins: if he had got in, it would have been at the expense of Kyle. I admit now that it may have been the right move considering how poorly KW has done so far, but that's still hindsight. #5 or #6 (for those teams keeping 6) WR is either a developmental player not making the active 46 on gameday, or a ST ace. Keeping both KW and Hawkins was too much. We forget that we have our top two receivers from last year on PUP/IR due to return and that keeping 6 more receivers would be a bit wild. Losing Patton has made our injury situation even more ridiculous, but you can't predict injuries. Let's say we kept 6 receivers and one fewer DBs (the usual tradeoff) and say that it was Brock instead of Patton that broke his foot. Can you imagine that posts here about the questionable FO moves that left us thin in our thinnest part of the squad.

The point that I will make for one last time is: we have only 46 gameday slots. The other 7 players are usually developmental types you don't want to expose to the wire, or short term injuries. But 46 is the number to go by: that must include the 25 starters (11+11+3 kicking squad), two backup QBs, and 17 rotational and ST players. It is very, VERY hard to keep everyone who caught our eye in preseason in these 17-19 slots (19 in our case where backup Qb is such a mess). You WILL have to cut quality players/intriguing prospects. If you want to keep them, you have to cut someone else. Who? I've already said that cutting KW instead of Hawkins might have been better. In hindsight. At the time of the cuts, I was one of KW's biggest supporters. Then at backup QB, I've already made my point: the FO wishes for a veteran backup. Let's hope we don 't have to see whether they were right or wrong ,and that Kaep plays all 19-20 games this season (I'm an optimist at heart )
30 teams passed on Daniels on the waiver wire.

This is just two franchises feuding with one another. Trying to prove the other that they incorrectly assessed a player's talent.

"Watch, we will turn Ricardo Lockette into a contributor and you can watch us laugh at you"
"Watch, we will turn Chris Harper into a contributor and you can watch us laugh at you"
"Watch, we will turn BJ Daniels into a contributor and you can watch us laugh at you"
It is so clear our talent assessment, talent pool, and roster decision making are ATROCIOUS!

All the proof you need is that we were 5 yards from winning the Superbowl last year and that is just horrible performance for an NFL team.

Love that part of our fan base who realizes how lousy we are.

Originally posted by 49erWay:
It is so clear our talent assessment, talent pool, and roster decision making are ATROCIOUS!

All the proof you need is that we were 5 yards from winning the Superbowl last year and that is just horrible performance for an NFL team.

Love that part of our fan base who realizes how lousy we are.


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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by buck:
If your posts about Daniels are any indication, you care.

I really do not think losing Daniels was all that serious.


I do ? Not anymore. Is all a complete joke apparently.

Apparently, Pete Carroll did not take Daniels all the seriously, either. If he had, we would not have been able to draft Daniels in the 7th round.

I still can not locate the joke in all this, but from what I can see neither Carroll or Harbaugh are taking Daniels as seriously as you are.


[ Edited by buck on Oct 3, 2013 at 11:00 AM ]
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Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Why does this organization continue to make questionable roster decisions...it seems everyone that is half way decent we are cutting or getting rid of..

Cam Johnson 7th round pick, physical specimen finally shows the upside we took the risk on with the 7th rounder.. wins a game ball... we trade him for another 7th... useless trade...

Lavelle Hawkins.... not a great player, but played well for us in the preseason... we reward him with a cut..

Bj. daniels... for a rookie looked REALLY good.... we cut him for skelton???

I don't know whats going on here, but it seems to me we are not allowed to have decent backups on this team...

I thought it might be instructive to look at the claims of the original poster.

everyone half-way decent we are cutting or getting rid of = BJ Daniels, Cam Johnson, and Lavelle Hawkins.

I did it. I found the joke. The thread is a joke.
Wow, I was gone for 1/2 a day and this thread got derailed quickly!

Just to stay on point, "my" only issue is that many of thes players could be helping us at positions of need now while developing along the way and "could" pay off for us even more down the road. This is about a series of moves, not BJ Daniels!

The focus is on these players with US...if we had them right now...not where they currently are (which will takes weeks to get up to speed with their respective teams):
Gray - Dixon can't be an H-back and has slimmed down to play more RB this year. Gray appeared to have a nice skill set in the mold of Walker and if he could have learned to be a short yardage runner, proper blocking technique, etc. we could have had something here. We currently do not have an H-back.
Harper - still waiting to be activated...period. What's his role?
Ventrone - (sounds of crickets here)
Williams - to start at the X spot coming off an ACL. I consider this a personnel move b/c now, his role is already being dimisnished.
Owen - only brought in to be cut apparently?
Cooper - Baalke wanted to get bigger with he and Nnamdi. Nnamdi goes down and we sure could use Cooper now, at least developing behnd Cox/Brock.
Haralson - good move IMHO. He deserved to be a starter and we needed to cut $ (same with Jennings). Sadly he went to a 4-0 Saints team in the NFC. We get a late 7th.
Johnson - I guess there weren't enough red flags re: Aldon but he's done here for a while. Johnson's been training in this defense for a full year and would have been nice to have on punt block and coverage units and as another pass rusher. Instead we have to go get a guy off the streets in Cunningham. We get a late 7th.
Hawkins - not the sharpest tool in the shed. But that's what you need in your returner. LOL. He also seemed to have some potential as a slot guy as well. He signed with the Chargers.
Lockette - no biggie here but he was an excellent gunner and later, we got "size" with Baldwin instead. Brock/Cox and Spillman have been unimpressive in these roles so far (lots of penalties).
McCoy - meh move here but does make more sense "now" if we plan to go back to our roots more and be less mobile at the QB position.
Skelton - anyone seriously think he'll be pushing for the #2 in a year or two? Really? Many thought Daniels had that realistic chance.
Baldwin - good move; finally got on the field and caught a couple balls...but we're into game 5 now.
Morris - we risked him and then learned from Cooper that you don't take that risk with someone you think has real promise so we quickly moved him to the 53...and then we lost...
BJ Daniels - to this very same mentality. Obviously anyone with 1/2 a brain could see he would be picked up immedately by the Hawks. God fit for him. He could be pushing for the #2 this year or next.

It's fair to question this long series of moves (or non-moves) no matter how much you "trust the FO." But I'll tell you what, I'd much rather have many of these guys right now b/c of who's on the team now or b/c of our current need/situation. We stil have many more pressing needs at OT, NT and a pure FB behind Miller.

The thing I find comical are the comments re: what some of these players have done for other teams (so far) or that they'd never be activated here or the rationale for "supporting" these moves...it's the same rationale but on the other side of the coin. We ALL have very small sample sizes...this is used to justify ANY move this FO makes. On the other side, this small sample size is ALL we have and what we did see, we see potential to help out now or into the future.

Either way, let's hope all of these moves pan out for everyone (except for the Hawks and Saints) and keep perspective here...in 2 more weeks, we'll find out what reserves will come off the PUP/NFI list and then, we might see a bunch of these guys get kicked to the curb...hopefully, for the better!

Go Niners! Always...
Originally posted by NCommand:
Wow, I was gone for 1/2 a day and this thread got derailed quickly!

Just to stay on point, "my" only issue is that many of thes players could be helping us at positions of need now while developing along the way and "could" pay off for us even more down the road. This is about a series of moves, not BJ Daniels!

The focus is on these players with US...if we had them right now...not where they currently are (which will takes weeks to get up to speed with their respective teams):
Gray - Dixon can't be an H-back and has slimmed down to play more RB this year. Gray appeared to have a nice skill set in the mold of Walker and if he could have learned to be a short yardage runner, proper blocking technique, etc. we could have had something here. We currently do not have an H-back.
Harper - still waiting to be activated...period. What's his role?
Ventrone - (sounds of crickets here)
Williams - to start at the X spot coming off an ACL. I consider this a personnel move b/c now, his role is already being dimisnished.
Owen - only brought in to be cut apparently?
Cooper - Baalke wanted to get bigger with he and Nnamdi. Nnamdi goes down and we sure could use Cooper now, at least developing behnd Cox/Brock.
Haralson - good move IMHO. He deserved to be a starter and we needed to cut $ (same with Jennings). Sadly he went to a 4-0 Saints team in the NFC. We get a late 7th.
Johnson - I guess there weren't enough red flags re: Aldon but he's done here for a while. Johnson's been training in this defense for a full year and would have been nice to have on punt block and coverage units and as another pass rusher. Instead we have to go get a guy off the streets in Cunningham. We get a late 7th.
Hawkins - not the sharpest tool in the shed. But that's what you need in your returner. LOL. He also seemed to have some potential as a slot guy as well. He signed with the Chargers.
Lockette - no biggie here but he was an excellent gunner and later, we got "size" with Baldwin instead. Brock/Cox and Spillman have been unimpressive in these roles so far (lots of penalties).
McCoy - meh move here but does make more sense "now" if we plan to go back to our roots more and be less mobile at the QB position.
Skelton - anyone seriously think he'll be pushing for the #2 in a year or two? Really? Many thought Daniels had that realistic chance.
Baldwin - good move; finally got on the field and caught a couple balls...but we're into game 5 now.
Morris - we risked him and then learned from Cooper that you don't take that risk with someone you think has real promise so we quickly moved him to the 53...and then we lost...
BJ Daniels - to this very same mentality. Obviously anyone with 1/2 a brain could see he would be picked up immedately by the Hawks. God fit for him. He could be pushing for the #2 this year or next.

It's fair to question this long series of moves (or non-moves) no matter how much you "trust the FO." But I'll tell you what, I'd much rather have many of these guys right now b/c of who's on the team now or b/c of our current need/situation. We stil have many more pressing needs at OT, NT and a pure FB behind Miller.

The thing I find comical are the comments re: what some of these players have done for other teams (so far) or that they'd never be activated here or the rationale for "supporting" these moves...it's the same rationale but on the other side of the coin. We ALL have very small sample sizes...this is used to justify ANY move this FO makes. On the other side, this small sample size is ALL we have and what we did see, we see potential to help out now or into the future.

Either way, let's hope all of these moves pan out for everyone (except for the Hawks and Saints) and keep perspective here...in 2 more weeks, we'll find out what reserves will come off the PUP/NFI list and then, we might see a bunch of these guys get kicked to the curb...hopefully, for the better!

Go Niners! Always...

I don't think BJ Daniels will be taking Tavaris Jackson's place anytime soon.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Wow, I was gone for 1/2 a day and this thread got derailed quickly!

Read the original post again. The original poster could not have been serious.

We have not cut or gotten rid of all the half decent players on the roster.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by buck:
If your posts about Daniels are any indication, you care.

I really do not think losing Daniels was all that serious.


I do ? Not anymore. Is all a complete joke apparently.

Apparently, Pete Carroll did not take Daniels all the seriously, either. If he had, we would not have been able to draft Daniels in the 7th round.

I still can not locate the joke in all this, but from what I can see neither Carroll or Harbaugh are taking Daniels as seriously as you are.




Pete Carroll is not serious ? Definitely more serious than me if he is willing to sacrifice a spot on the 53 for BJ.

Why do you keep saying I am serious ? I already said let's start Skelton. I want to go in big time and bet for a loss so I can get that new Lambo. Have you seen an Aventador up close ? It costs over $800 grand here, so I could use more cash. I am thinking orange or black. What do you think ?
Originally posted by real9erfan:
I don't think BJ Daniels will be taking Tavaris Jackson's place anytime soon.

I would hope not...he just got there. This isn't about today...it's a 3rd string QB with potential to move up the ranks over the next year or two. Jackson is 75 years old so one could conclude that if Daniels continues to be developed, he'll have a good shot for the #2 next year (sort of what many thought about our current situation behind CK for next year).
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Have you seen an Aventador up close ?

I do not even know what an Aventador is, and would not recognize one if I did see one.

Glad you are not serious. Have a drink and relax.