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The Solutions Thread

  • cciowa
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Originally posted by NCommand:
We do need a ton of work there! You're hired!

only two receptions but i think we found a nice number two in jon, until at least to bridge the gap till marion comes back. We won because the coaches finally realized they are not in college and we should not hang our hats on a college pistol offense. just go to your powers which has always been, no matter the qb, is the run game. you run first to set up the pass. even if the team knows you will run, if you have a good line and they get a good push, you will have success.we still have some troubling issues like penalties and injuries but we have ten big days off and a lighter schedule, we still have a major problem in roman. no offense to the players but if he calls a game plan like last night we will do well, we will go as far as he will allow us to go. JH just has to stop him from doing the nutty professor thing
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Vernon Davis: 6'3, 250 lbs

Vance McDonald: 6'4, 267 lbs

Jon Baldwin: 6'4, 230 lbs

Garrett Celek: 6'5 250 lbs


This is the setup I really wish we had in Seattle, and it totally dominated tonight, through the air, but most heavily on the ground game. I don't get the s**t Baldwin got in KC (just an all-out crappy situation possibly at that time, with a crappy team), but beyond two nifty receptions, Baldwin was blocking/locking defenders up like a f**king TE tonight.

You cannot possibly put all four on the field at once (ie jumbo formation), and NOT see something interesting happen.
i did not see that but i am happy to hear that plus he caught two balls which is more than we got from whoever was supposed to be number two in the first three games.you are right, he should have been playing in the last two games but better late than never.
Agreed cciowa...there are no disillusions here in this thread. Roman's weaknesses have been heavily highlighted over the past two years.

Baldwin, no question. I highlighted in the pre season that on of his HUGE strengths is run blocking on the edge. He may be even better than Boldin. With Williams on the edge, CB's were chucking him and getting into the backfield and blowing up pick plays. Having a big body on the edge meant much cleaner routes and more big runs off tackle! I'll watch him again in the rewatch but it did stand out to me initially and I wasn't looking for it. Good sign!
Originally posted by NCommand:
Hey, who in their right mind would even THINK Fangio would bring the heat (esp. with Aldon and Willis out), even with Bradford's inability to throw anything beyond 10 yards? He started out 1Q in the same crap vanilla sets, playing his secondary a mile off coverage and Bradford was finding easy receptions even on 3rd and 10+'s; even deep in his own territory (sooooo so annoying!). Then, suddenly, he shifted and started making Bradford try and beat us (brought the heat) and as a result, we dominated.

I totally agree with this. As a team, we were sort of in bizarro world. The offense was getting way to cute and the defense was way too vanilla. Last night has to be the template from here on out.

Also last night, highlights the depth we have on defense. I suspected we had that depth, but til u see it on the field u really just don't know. That could be the only silver lining to be injuries/rehab problems, these guys are getting great playtime in real nfl games. I know it's one game but lemonier looks like an absolute steal.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Sep 27, 2013 at 9:29 AM ]
Blitz with the inside backers a little more often. As we saw last night it can help create pressure. I also think we will have a better appreciation for Bowman from here on out. The dude can flat ball. He may not be the better athlete of the two Mikes but I think he's the better ball player.
I really like Snake's :
Vernon Vance Baldwin Celek monster pack. To that I would add Boldin, so it looks like this: Boldin Vernon Vance Baldwin Celek. Now THAT is a truly monster pack and I would love to see us run that as our standard lineup. That doesn't look like it can be stopped.

2 things of note however:

1st, Rams didn't put up an 8 man line, except for the one time Frank broke thru for a TD. Rest of the nite it was a 4 man line. Against an 8 man line, Frank cannot run effectively, and the 5 man monster pack I noted above would get the 8 men off the line pretty dam fast.

2nd, really has to do with the first. Against the rams, we ran to set up the run. Against the SEAhawks or INDY, we would have had to use the monster pack first, connect on a bunch of 7 and 8 yd passes, and then , get their 8 guys off the LOS,....THEN let Frank run crazy.

Our problem in both losses were the 8 man line, and neither Frank, nor anybody else can run into that. We have to clear out the 8 man first with successful passes. Then once they show 4 man line, give frank the ball. Why the Rams didn't go 8 man is a puzzle. So far, Roman has proved he cannot understand that we can't run on an 8 man line until 4 guys drop back to LB positions. And moore, patton, were just manhandled in both games, so the monster packs noted above, SHOULD take care of that. Nobody is about to manhandle boldin, Baldwin, vance , Vernon nor Celek. There is the answer to our problem against 8 man lines, which to date have just creamed us. NOW, will roman understand that ...or will Coach H? Man , I hope so.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Guys, I could not WAIT to get bck to this thread this morning. Why? B/c this thread became a blue print for getting back to 49er football and dominating. I was telling my girl about this thread and how many fantastic ideas were dropped in here after we identified all of our issues. She asked me, "Do you think coaches and players read these threads?" I said, "After tonight, I have no doubt...they checked off every single one of these solutions like a honey-do list!"

Let's review:
  • I suggested moving Brooks to the WILL and rushing from Aldon's old spot. He ended with 1.5 sacks, numerous pressures, knocked down a pass AND lead the team in tackles. And he didn't play exclusively from there. He rushed from the SAM as well and was completely dominate in every facet of the game. God bless you Fangio! We also got some very nice work in with Lemonier and Skuta. This will only make us stronger! Love the tweet from Aldon as well. Check!
  • OND suggested using Bowman in the pass rush department. I've suggested for some time now to utilize the ILB's better by playing them "down hill" and allowing them to make plays. What a difference scheme makes, eh? Check!
  • Team meeting. Many suggested the players have a player-only meeting. Guess what? They did! Coaches, I'm sure, had their own meeting. Check!
  • WCO. We have been BEGGING for years to use the WCO as our base. Tonight we finally saw a few slant patterns and the short passing game to set up the run (and got CK comfortable). Check!
  • Rotation. We have asked for a serious rotation on the DL and OLB's. Tonight we saw it much more. Check!
  • Personnel. Well, we clearly all wanted the bigger body out wide in Baldwin, Morris on ST (at least), utilize McDonald more in the game plan (unbelievable in run blocking), more, Hunter, removing Williams from the X, etc. Brock and Wilhoite and Dorsey played very well. Check!
  • Turnovers. The Brock to Whitner INT changed the game. The Bowman sack-forced-fumble ended the game.
  • Scheme is the Theme for 2013. After 9 quarters of some of the worse football I've seen in a LONG time, tonight, it made ALL of the difference despite all the injured players. For the first time in a long time, I saw our defense attacking, playing tight in our secondary (after the 1Q) and virtually, playing down hill. On offense, the goal was to get CK comfortable and into a rhthym early and get our best playmakers the ball (Gore, VD and Boldin). Check!

What other ones did I miss?
Who is this OND of whom you speak? lol.

Gotta hope Fangio finally recognizes how good and how productive Bowman can be when he blitzes. The guy's got some natural pass rush ability. He seems to be able to just slide by the Olineman or RB that tries to stop him. And he's equally effective on a run blitz! Fun to watch.

And Vance MacDonald showed some great blocking ability last night. Between Miller, MacDonald, and Iupati, there were some great running lanes for Gore--who took full advantage of them!
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Who is this OND of whom you speak? lol.

Gotta hope Fangio finally recognizes how good and how productive Bowman can be when he blitzes. The guy's got some natural pass rush ability. He seems to be able to just slide by the Olineman or RB that tries to stop him. And he's equally effective on a run blitz! Fun to watch.

And Vance MacDonald showed some great blocking ability last night. Between Miller, MacDonald, and Iupati, there were some great running lanes for Gore--who took full advantage of them!

OND? Oh I don't know...some poster who is a legend in my mind. LOL.

You could see the physicality as well...the RAMS were the ones getting hurt this game, not us. They always say he who hesitates in football, gets injured. I've been watching McDonald's blocking closely all pre season and through this first 4 games. He really impresses me b/c he blocks angry and finishes them. It's not just a get-in-your-way type of mentality. Once he learns (or is used) in more traditional TE routes and he gets acclimated, he is going to be the perfect balanced TE. Add in a reliable RZ target and how are you going to defend us?