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The Solutions Thread

I told you so.

that is all.
Originally posted by Axl49:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by barrymartin:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Solutions,

Defense:
Aldon, out in rehab... Lemon-yay!
Willis, out with injury, sign Larry Grant.
Put 8 in the box against strong running teams
Give up less short passing, by dropping one safety shallower (corner had better start to cover we are trying to help/hide them with deep safety help)
Tackle, Tackle, Tackle!

Offense:
Davis out injured, have a big mac attack!
Gore between the tackles (Iso, counter, belly), and off tackle only, 15-20 carries (Power runs)
Hunter on the toss, and in the screen, lots of zone blocking
More bunch concept plays to helps beat the press coverage
Full backs and Tight ends, running more wheel and crossing routes, to give Kaep a safe check down
Simplify play calling, take less deep shots.
Sign Hawkins for kick returns
Patton on the slant, and comebacks, Williams...gone



Fans:
Relax
Understand just because you are the favorite to win the super bowl in the preseason, doesn't mean you will, a winning season is good, a play off appearance is great.
Relax
Understand there are growing pains, when replacing players, Goldie, Alex, Iceman, Franklin, and Walker were important pieces.
Relax
Support the team, cheer, have fun, but remember, it's a game.
Relax.

Really like your note to the Fans...Couldn't have said it better. It's a game, not life and death. Like life there are ups and downs. The key is to learn to be ok with both and even see the gift of the downs. This could help us develop new players, identify and strengthen our weakness and mature our coaching staff especially Harbaugh. He has always had easy success. I don't think that is going to be the case this year. He's going to have to learn to settle down, not over-react and coach like his brother.


Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Solutions,

Defense:
Aldon, out in rehab... Lemon-yay!
Willis, out with injury, sign Larry Grant.
Put 8 in the box against strong running teams
Give up less short passing, by dropping one safety shallower (corner had better start to cover we are trying to help/hide them with deep safety help)
Tackle, Tackle, Tackle!

Offense:
Davis out injured, have a big mac attack!
Gore between the tackles (Iso, counter, belly), and off tackle only, 15-20 carries (Power runs)
Hunter on the toss, and in the screen, lots of zone blocking
More bunch concept plays to helps beat the press coverage
Full backs and Tight ends, running more wheel and crossing routes, to give Kaep a safe check down
Simplify play calling, take less deep shots.
Sign Hawkins for kick returns
Patton on the slant, and comebacks, Williams...gone



Fans:
Relax
Understand just because you are the favorite to win the super bowl in the preseason, doesn't mean you will, a winning season is good, a play off appearance is great.
Relax
Understand there are growing pains, when replacing players, Goldie, Alex, Iceman, Franklin, and Walker were important pieces.
Relax
Support the team, cheer, have fun, but remember, it's a game.
Relax.

wouldnt larry grant have to serve a 4 game suspension if signed?

yes

So, sure, but still the rest makes a little sense...right?

I really think if we do just two things it will fix half the defense and team problems. Gore and hunter need the ball 20- 25 times a game period. And Kap for f**k sake just check the ball sometimes and take easy yards nothing wrong with that. Manning shredded the raiders secondary who is decent with short passes and easy completions. It will open up big plays eventually and keep our d rested on the sideline. SIMPLE.

Yes...!
Vernon Davis: 6'3, 250 lbs

Vance McDonald: 6'4, 267 lbs

Jon Baldwin: 6'4, 230 lbs

Garrett Celek: 6'5 250 lbs


This is the setup I really wish we had in Seattle, and it totally dominated tonight, through the air, but most heavily on the ground game. I don't get the s**t Baldwin got in KC (just an all-out crappy situation possibly at that time, with a crappy team), but beyond two nifty receptions, Baldwin was blocking/locking defenders up like a f**king TE tonight.

You cannot possibly put all four on the field at once (ie jumbo formation), and NOT see something interesting happen.
[ Edited by SnakePlissken on Sep 26, 2013 at 10:41 PM ]
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Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Vernon Davis: 6'3, 250 lbs

Vance McDonald: 6'4, 267 lbs

Jon Baldwin: 6'4, 230 lbs

Garrett Celek: 6'5 250 lbs


This is the setup I really wish we had in Seattle, and it totally dominated tonight, through the air, but most heavily on the ground game. I don't get the s**t Baldwin got in KC (just an all-out crappy situation possibly at that time, with a crappy team), but beyond two nifty receptions, Baldwin was blocking/locking defenders up like a f**king TE tonight.

You cannot possibly put all four on the field at once (ie jumbo formation), and NOT see something interesting happen.

Did you specifically see Baldwin winning his blocking assignments tonight? Were there any crack back blocks on LBs or mostly blocking on DBs?
[ Edited by thl408 on Sep 26, 2013 at 10:45 PM ]
RUN BALL...STOP THE RUN OFF BALL=WIN
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Vernon Davis: 6'3, 250 lbs

Vance McDonald: 6'4, 267 lbs

Jon Baldwin: 6'4, 230 lbs

Garrett Celek: 6'5 250 lbs


This is the setup I really wish we had in Seattle, and it totally dominated tonight, through the air, but most heavily on the ground game. I don't get the s**t Baldwin got in KC (just an all-out crappy situation possibly at that time, with a crappy team), but beyond two nifty receptions, Baldwin was blocking/locking defenders up like a f**king TE tonight.

You cannot possibly put all four on the field at once (ie jumbo formation), and NOT see something interesting happen.

That is a ton of size on the field when paired with our O-line. I didn't pay attention to Baldwin's blocking, but if he was as good as you say, I'm excited. We already have Boldin kicking ass in that department. We basically have the personnel to do what Harbaugh did at Stanford. Big targets all over the field who can double as blockers, but also be proficient in the pass game off play action.
Guys, I could not WAIT to get bck to this thread this morning. Why? B/c this thread became a blue print for getting back to 49er football and dominating. I was telling my girl about this thread and how many fantastic ideas were dropped in here after we identified all of our issues. She asked me, "Do you think coaches and players read these threads?" I said, "After tonight, I have no doubt...they checked off every single one of these solutions like a honey-do list!"

Let's review:
  • I suggested moving Brooks to the WILL and rushing from Aldon's old spot. He ended with 1.5 sacks, numerous pressures, knocked down a pass AND lead the team in tackles. And he didn't play exclusively from there. He rushed from the SAM as well and was completely dominate in every facet of the game. God bless you Fangio! We also got some very nice work in with Lemonier and Skuta. This will only make us stronger! Love the tweet from Aldon as well. Check!
  • OND suggested using Bowman in the pass rush department. I've suggested for some time now to utilize the ILB's better by playing them "down hill" and allowing them to make plays. What a difference scheme makes, eh? Check!
  • Team meeting. Many suggested the players have a player-only meeting. Guess what? They did! Coaches, I'm sure, had their own meeting. Check!
  • WCO. We have been BEGGING for years to use the WCO as our base. Tonight we finally saw a few slant patterns and the short passing game to set up the run (and got CK comfortable). Check!
  • Rotation. We have asked for a serious rotation on the DL and OLB's. Tonight we saw it much more. Check!
  • Personnel. Well, we clearly all wanted the bigger body out wide in Baldwin, Morris on ST (at least), utilize McDonald more in the game plan (unbelievable in run blocking), more, Hunter, removing Williams from the X, etc. Brock and Wilhoite and Dorsey played very well. Check!
  • Turnovers. The Brock to Whitner INT changed the game. The Bowman sack-forced-fumble ended the game.
  • Scheme is the Theme for 2013. After 9 quarters of some of the worse football I've seen in a LONG time, tonight, it made ALL of the difference despite all the injured players. For the first time in a long time, I saw our defense attacking, playing tight in our secondary (after the 1Q) and virtually, playing down hill. On offense, the goal was to get CK comfortable and into a rhthym early and get our best playmakers the ball (Gore, VD and Boldin). Check!

What other ones did I miss?
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Alright fans...we're about to find out what we're made of. Let's hope the coaching staff takes SOME of these great suggestions and they work to perfection. Go Niners!!!

It would be so awesome if we see some of the things discussed here take place and actually work. I swear we should apply for OC openings if this happens.

Did you apply yet? I did (you can work the OC job; I want the GM role). Look at that check-off list above!

We still have issues, clearly but man, the coaches did a VERY good job of getting back to Niner football and it sure seemed like they went right down our list of solutions and they worked.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Guys, I could not WAIT to get bck to this thread this morning. Why? B/c this thread became a blue print for getting back to 49er football and dominating. I was telling my girl about this thread and how many fantastic ideas were dropped in here after we identified all of our issues. She asked me, "Do you think coaches and players read these threads?" I said, "After tonight, I have no doubt...they checked off every single one of these solutions like a honey-do list!"

Let's review:
  • I suggested moving Brooks to the WILL and rushing from Aldon's old spot. He ended with 1.5 sacks, numerous pressures, knocked down a pass AND lead the team in tackles. And he didn't play exclusively from there. He rushed from the SAM as well and was completely dominate in every facet of the game. God bless you Fangio! We also got some very nice work in with Lemonier and Skuta. This will only make us stronger! Love the tweet from Aldon as well. Check!
  • OND suggested using Bowman in the pass rush department. I've suggested for some time now to utilize the ILB's better by playing them "down hill" and allowing them to make plays. What a difference scheme makes, eh? Check!
  • Team meeting. Many suggested the players have a player-only meeting. Guess what? They did! Coaches, I'm sure, had their own meeting. Check!
  • WCO. We have been BEGGING for years to use the WCO as our base. Tonight we finally saw a few slant patterns and the short passing game to set up the run (and got CK comfortable). Check!
  • Rotation. We have asked for a serious rotation on the DL and OLB's. Tonight we saw it much more. Check!
  • Personnel. Well, we clearly all wanted the bigger body out wide in Baldwin, Morris on ST (at least), utilize McDonald more in the game plan (unbelievable in run blocking), more, Hunter, removing Williams from the X, etc. Brock and Wilhoite and Dorsey played very well. Check!
  • Turnovers. The Brock to Whitner INT changed the game. The Bowman sack-forced-fumble ended the game.
  • Scheme is the Theme for 2013. After 9 quarters of some of the worse football I've seen in a LONG time, tonight, it made ALL of the difference despite all the injured players. For the first time in a long time, I saw our defense attacking, playing tight in our secondary (after the 1Q) and virtually, playing down hill. On offense, the goal was to get CK comfortable and into a rhthym early and get our best playmakers the ball (Gore, VD and Boldin). Check!

What other ones did I miss?

My favorite offensive adjustment in the rams game was their collective effort to move the pocket with play action roll outs and waggle action. That play action off of power is gonna be there all year. Miller could have 40-50 catches this year if they emphasized it. The great thing with this is that if defenses start to guard the FB it leaves kaep with a ton of running room. It goes back to the gruden and luck "spider y banana" discussion...they are absolutely right tho on that play the FB is open 90% of the time.

I honestly think they need to call the game like Alex is still the qb...then just let kaep skill make that 2 or 3 plays Alex couldn't. Instead it seemed like every call was just showing off kaeps arm. Last night looked like 2011 and that's an extremely good thing.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Sep 27, 2013 at 8:25 AM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Guys, I could not WAIT to get bck to this thread this morning. Why? B/c this thread became a blue print for getting back to 49er football and dominating. I was telling my girl about this thread and how many fantastic ideas were dropped in here after we identified all of our issues. She asked me, "Do you think coaches and players read these threads?" I said, "After tonight, I have no doubt...they checked off every single one of these solutions like a honey-do list!"

Let's review:
  • I suggested moving Brooks to the WILL and rushing from Aldon's old spot. He ended with 1.5 sacks, numerous pressures, knocked down a pass AND lead the team in tackles. And he didn't play exclusively from there. He rushed from the SAM as well and was completely dominate in every facet of the game. God bless you Fangio! We also got some very nice work in with Lemonier and Skuta. This will only make us stronger! Love the tweet from Aldon as well. Check!
  • OND suggested using Bowman in the pass rush department. I've suggested for some time now to utilize the ILB's better by playing them "down hill" and allowing them to make plays. What a difference scheme makes, eh? Check!
  • Team meeting. Many suggested the players have a player-only meeting. Guess what? They did! Coaches, I'm sure, had their own meeting. Check!
  • WCO. We have been BEGGING for years to use the WCO as our base. Tonight we finally saw a few slant patterns and the short passing game to set up the run (and got CK comfortable). Check!
  • Rotation. We have asked for a serious rotation on the DL and OLB's. Tonight we saw it much more. Check!
  • Personnel. Well, we clearly all wanted the bigger body out wide in Baldwin, Morris on ST (at least), utilize McDonald more in the game plan (unbelievable in run blocking), more, Hunter, removing Williams from the X, etc. Brock and Wilhoite and Dorsey played very well. Check!
  • Turnovers. The Brock to Whitner INT changed the game. The Bowman sack-forced-fumble ended the game.
  • Scheme is the Theme for 2013. After 9 quarters of some of the worse football I've seen in a LONG time, tonight, it made ALL of the difference despite all the injured players. For the first time in a long time, I saw our defense attacking, playing tight in our secondary (after the 1Q) and virtually, playing down hill. On offense, the goal was to get CK comfortable and into a rhthym early and get our best playmakers the ball (Gore, VD and Boldin). Check!

What other ones did I miss?

I was so frustrated last night because my computer feed would not work. I caught a few plays, and of course the highlights, and I have filled in the rest by reading posts. It is amazing how accurate many of the posters were! Despite the trolls and naysayers, it would appear that we have a pretty intelligent fan base. Here are my thoughts:

  • As many of the other posters, I was begging for a simple offensive game plan with short, WCO routes so Kaep could find his rhythm. If memory serves me, the first offensive play was a rollout designed to go to Bruce Miller. It was very similar to one of the first plays the Colts ran against us. Our version went for a solid gain. I have never been happier to see a short pass to the FB!
  • My defensive solution was to go simple, blitz rarely, and focus on assignments. Yeah, I missed on that one. To compensate for the new players, Fangio let the dogs loose. I loved every second of being wrong.
  • Ultimately, the real solution became the statement made by the individual players. The offensive line started playing again, Gore did his best Mark Twain impression (Rumors of his demise were greatly exaggerated), and Bowman showed us why he his every bit Willis' equal.
One of the commentators said last night that Kap played an "Alex Smith type game"
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Alright fans...we're about to find out what we're made of. Let's hope the coaching staff takes SOME of these great suggestions and they work to perfection. Go Niners!!!

It would be so awesome if we see some of the things discussed here take place and actually work. I swear we should apply for OC openings if this happens.

Did you apply yet? I did (you can work the OC job; I want the GM role). Look at that check-off list above!

We still have issues, clearly but man, the coaches did a VERY good job of getting back to Niner football and it sure seemed like they went right down our list of solutions and they worked.

I call Wide receiver coach!
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Guys, I could not WAIT to get bck to this thread this morning. Why? B/c this thread became a blue print for getting back to 49er football and dominating. I was telling my girl about this thread and how many fantastic ideas were dropped in here after we identified all of our issues. She asked me, "Do you think coaches and players read these threads?" I said, "After tonight, I have no doubt...they checked off every single one of these solutions like a honey-do list!"

Let's review:
  • I suggested moving Brooks to the WILL and rushing from Aldon's old spot. He ended with 1.5 sacks, numerous pressures, knocked down a pass AND lead the team in tackles. And he didn't play exclusively from there. He rushed from the SAM as well and was completely dominate in every facet of the game. God bless you Fangio! We also got some very nice work in with Lemonier and Skuta. This will only make us stronger! Love the tweet from Aldon as well. Check!
  • OND suggested using Bowman in the pass rush department. I've suggested for some time now to utilize the ILB's better by playing them "down hill" and allowing them to make plays. What a difference scheme makes, eh? Check!
  • Team meeting. Many suggested the players have a player-only meeting. Guess what? They did! Coaches, I'm sure, had their own meeting. Check!
  • WCO. We have been BEGGING for years to use the WCO as our base. Tonight we finally saw a few slant patterns and the short passing game to set up the run (and got CK comfortable). Check!
  • Rotation. We have asked for a serious rotation on the DL and OLB's. Tonight we saw it much more. Check!
  • Personnel. Well, we clearly all wanted the bigger body out wide in Baldwin, Morris on ST (at least), utilize McDonald more in the game plan (unbelievable in run blocking), more, Hunter, removing Williams from the X, etc. Brock and Wilhoite and Dorsey played very well. Check!
  • Turnovers. The Brock to Whitner INT changed the game. The Bowman sack-forced-fumble ended the game.
  • Scheme is the Theme for 2013. After 9 quarters of some of the worse football I've seen in a LONG time, tonight, it made ALL of the difference despite all the injured players. For the first time in a long time, I saw our defense attacking, playing tight in our secondary (after the 1Q) and virtually, playing down hill. On offense, the goal was to get CK comfortable and into a rhthym early and get our best playmakers the ball (Gore, VD and Boldin). Check!

What other ones did I miss?

My favorite offensive adjustment in the rams game was their collective effort to move the pocket with play action roll outs and waggle action. That play action off of power is gonna be there all year. Miller could have 40-50 catches this year if they emphasized it. The great thing with this is that if defenses start to guard the FB it leaves kaep with a ton of running room.

I honestly think they need to call the game like Alex is still the qb...then just let kaep skill make that 2 or 3 plays Alex couldn't. Instead it seemed like every call was just showing off kaeps arm. Last night looked like 2011 and that's an extremely good thing.

Agreed...that is a great little play to get CK moving to the right (strong side) and hitting both Miller and McDonald on the move (simple pass) and as a defense, you do NOT want to tackle Miller or McDonald coming at you full steam ahead.
Originally posted by Karma:
I call Wide receiver coach!

We do need a ton of work there! You're hired!
Originally posted by Karma:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Guys, I could not WAIT to get bck to this thread this morning. Why? B/c this thread became a blue print for getting back to 49er football and dominating. I was telling my girl about this thread and how many fantastic ideas were dropped in here after we identified all of our issues. She asked me, "Do you think coaches and players read these threads?" I said, "After tonight, I have no doubt...they checked off every single one of these solutions like a honey-do list!"

Let's review:
  • I suggested moving Brooks to the WILL and rushing from Aldon's old spot. He ended with 1.5 sacks, numerous pressures, knocked down a pass AND lead the team in tackles. And he didn't play exclusively from there. He rushed from the SAM as well and was completely dominate in every facet of the game. God bless you Fangio! We also got some very nice work in with Lemonier and Skuta. This will only make us stronger! Love the tweet from Aldon as well. Check!
  • OND suggested using Bowman in the pass rush department. I've suggested for some time now to utilize the ILB's better by playing them "down hill" and allowing them to make plays. What a difference scheme makes, eh? Check!
  • Team meeting. Many suggested the players have a player-only meeting. Guess what? They did! Coaches, I'm sure, had their own meeting. Check!
  • WCO. We have been BEGGING for years to use the WCO as our base. Tonight we finally saw a few slant patterns and the short passing game to set up the run (and got CK comfortable). Check!
  • Rotation. We have asked for a serious rotation on the DL and OLB's. Tonight we saw it much more. Check!
  • Personnel. Well, we clearly all wanted the bigger body out wide in Baldwin, Morris on ST (at least), utilize McDonald more in the game plan (unbelievable in run blocking), more, Hunter, removing Williams from the X, etc. Brock and Wilhoite and Dorsey played very well. Check!
  • Turnovers. The Brock to Whitner INT changed the game. The Bowman sack-forced-fumble ended the game.
  • Scheme is the Theme for 2013. After 9 quarters of some of the worse football I've seen in a LONG time, tonight, it made ALL of the difference despite all the injured players. For the first time in a long time, I saw our defense attacking, playing tight in our secondary (after the 1Q) and virtually, playing down hill. On offense, the goal was to get CK comfortable and into a rhthym early and get our best playmakers the ball (Gore, VD and Boldin). Check!

What other ones did I miss?

I was so frustrated last night because my computer feed would not work. I caught a few plays, and of course the highlights, and I have filled in the rest by reading posts. It is amazing how accurate many of the posters were! Despite the trolls and naysayers, it would appear that we have a pretty intelligent fan base. Here are my thoughts:

  • As many of the other posters, I was begging for a simple offensive game plan with short, WCO routes so Kaep could find his rhythm. If memory serves me, the first offensive play was a rollout designed to go to Bruce Miller. It was very similar to one of the first plays the Colts ran against us. Our version went for a solid gain. I have never been happier to see a short pass to the FB!
  • My defensive solution was to go simple, blitz rarely, and focus on assignments. Yeah, I missed on that one. To compensate for the new players, Fangio let the dogs loose. I loved every second of being wrong.
  • Ultimately, the real solution became the statement made by the individual players. The offensive line started playing again, Gore did his best Mark Twain impression (Rumors of his demise were greatly exaggerated), and Bowman showed us why he his every bit Willis' equal.

Hey, who in their right mind would even THINK Fangio would bring the heat (esp. with Aldon and Willis out), even with Bradford's inability to throw anything beyond 10 yards? He started out 1Q in the same crap vanilla sets, playing his secondary a mile off coverage and Bradford was finding easy receptions even on 3rd and 10+'s; even deep in his own territory (sooooo so annoying!). Then, suddenly, he shifted and started making Bradford try and beat us (brought the heat) and as a result, we dominated.