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Receivers

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by niners9ers:
Cam Inman ‏@CamInman19m
WR Jon Baldwin wearing a scout-team jersey, so maybe #49ers aren't ready to have him debut in favor of Moore or Patton



WOMP WOMP

We need WRs who can gain separation and catch the ball. Baldwin does neither very well so who cares about him.

Sit KW. Play Patton and Moore.
moore sucks too tho. he caught like one pass in the preseason and became our starter some how

KW has ran about 100 routes in 3 games. Patton and Moore have combined for 50. That's ridiculous. No way is KW so superior that he has double the snaps of those two combined. We need to mix in different guys, because KW cannot handle this workload.

100 useless routes that he cant get open on. id like to see patton, baldwin, harper and moore get more shots to do something. if jenkins is ready to play for the chiefs i dont see why baldwin and harper cant play for us
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
100 useless routes that he cant get open on. id like to see patton, baldwin, harper and moore get more shots to do something. if jenkins is ready to play for the chiefs i dont see why baldwin and harper cant play for us

Yup. Forgot about Harper! I guess he's not close to being ready to play, but I wish he could be a Delanie Walker jack-of-all-trades type. He looks like that type of player.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
100 useless routes that he cant get open on. id like to see patton, baldwin, harper and moore get more shots to do something. if jenkins is ready to play for the chiefs i dont see why baldwin and harper cant play for us

Yup. Forgot about Harper! I guess he's not close to being ready to play, but I wish he could be a Delanie Walker jack-of-all-trades type. He looks like that type of player.
i think the coaches could make a package for him. he doesnthave to know everything but they can give him a few plays here and there til he learns more. same with baldwin, hes been with us over a month, he should be able to do something by now i would think. atleast as much as kyle williams b***h ass is doing
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Disagree about Williams. He isn't a consistent WR IMO. He needs to be benched, and cut when Mario comes back, or when Crabs is back. Better to let him go now. He has regressed, and hasn't shown crap this year. He can't catch anything thrown his way. Patton and Baldwin would be better suited at #2. It's sad when Kyle Williams is #2, and on most teams he would be no better than 4th or 5th, or inactive on game days. Just my opinion though.

I have criticized Williams's lack of production for a couple of years. I tend to agree that Patton and, I hate to say this, Baldwin might be better options.

I do not understand what exactly has happened or is happening with Baldwin, so I am not going to make any definitive criticism.

But, nevertheless, I feel that the team's apparent trust in Williams does not seem warranted.

Now, watch as soon as | criticize him directly, he will have a good game.

I think that he will be allowed to play out his contract, but I would let him walk in free agency.
Why do we have such bad luck in drafting receivers? In 17 years, correct me if I'm wrong we've only drafted two notable re receivers in TO & Crabs.
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Why do we have such bad luck in drafting receivers? In 17 years, correct me if I'm wrong we've only drafted two notable re receivers in TO & Crabs.

delanie walker and josh morgan weren't that bad.

why would this staff have marlon moore start most preseason games as #2 only to have his ass on the bench during regular season
Call Hawkins Back!
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Why do we have such bad luck in drafting receivers? In 17 years, correct me if I'm wrong we've only drafted two notable re receivers in TO & Crabs.

With crabs we got lucky al Davis was still alive, I won't give credit to the front office with that one.
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Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Why do we have such bad luck in drafting receivers? In 17 years, correct me if I'm wrong we've only drafted two notable re receivers in TO & Crabs.

In my estimation, there is distinction that should be made between drafting good receivers and developing good receivers.

The responsibility for the draft falls on the general managers over those seventeen years.

I guess the responsibility for developing wide receivers falls on the position coach--the wide receivers coach.

The current wide receivers coach is John Morton.

I know next to nothing about this guy and I actually have no idea who is a good receivers coach.

Can anyone provide more information on him, good wide receivers coaches, or just basic information on how to analyze the work on a wide receivers coach.

Thank you,
[ Edited by buck on Sep 24, 2013 at 8:48 PM ]
Originally posted by buck:
In my estimation, there is distinction that should be made between drafting good receivers and developing good receivers.

Have been wondering about this for a number of years...how much is the coaching? I think it matters a great deal and is a key missing ingredient. Harbaugh and company do not seem to have elevated this position much. But then I always note the number of injuries and have to concede it is almost impossible to judge the situation given so many variables. But once it is corrected we may be able to judge after the fact...as usual!
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Originally posted by CRABTREE:
Call Hawkins Back!


The coaching staff missed on this one and were too arrogant to admit that Hawkins was better than Williams!!!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Have been wondering about this for a number of years...how much is the coaching? I think it matters a great deal and is a key missing ingredient. Harbaugh and company do not seem to have elevated this position much. But then I always note the number of injuries and have to concede it is almost impossible to judge the situation given so many variables. But once it is corrected we may be able to judge after the fact...as usual!

I'm not even slightly impressed by John Morton, I think it was a situation of Harbaugh loyal, buddy buddy with a guy who doesn't seem to have done very much with the WR's whatsoever.
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Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Why do we have such bad luck in drafting receivers? In 17 years, correct me if I'm wrong we've only drafted two notable re receivers in TO & Crabs.

Talent evaluation at the WR spot

That being said, I sure hope Patton gets more opportunities...
Originally posted by buck:
First, Baldwin.

As I said, I think he will be activated this week. So, we will see. You think he should have been activated in the first three games.

As I said, I am not so sure. We do not know to what degree learning the play book is an issue. But, I will concede that he could have been put in for a few plays.

You did ignore my point about having Baldwin earning his spot and its importance because of his red flags. Baldwin has had a reputation for being a head case ever since he days in college. Andy Reid quit on Baldwin for a reason.

If the coaching staff feels that Baldwin has to earn his spot as a step in cleaning up his act, so be it. We have not heard anything, but that does not mean there is not anything there. This is an important point, we have not heard anything. We do not know all that much.

As you know, my original reaction was to your assertion that we never utilize our players.

Now, you are saying that Baldwin, Jacobs, and AJ Jenkins are examples that show we never use our players.

For the sake of argument, I will concede that Harbaugh should have played each of those three players sooner or more often.
Again, this concession is only for this argument.

How does not using three players sufficiently = never utilizing our players?

That was your assertion. I do not expect you to acknowledge that this assertion is so exaggerated that it has little or no merit.

Anyway, if we look at those three players. Jacobs has not been doing very well in New York. AJ Jenkins has not been great in KC.
And we have no concrete or specific information about what has been happening with Baldwin.

Again, I hope that Baldwin is active for the Rams game. I hope he plays, and I hope he plays really well.

Your willingness to use exaggerations and unfounded speculations to criticize Harbaugh and Baalke seems both boundless and endless.


I don't think I "ignored" your point about the so-called "red flags", I said I haven't heard anything and that was why I asked you whether you have ? You are saying just because we haven't heard anything that is not to say there hasn't been red flags, well my response to that is not until we know there has been red flags we can't just assume there has been red flags.

As to my point on Harbaugh "not utilizing players", I have put it in different ways previously such as a "knack of" or "never", if you want to jump on me on the word "never" then be it. I was merely trying to point out there seems to be a trend there. And when I looked at what is happening to Baldwin, an alarm went off in my head as I could see the potential of that happening again.

As to your point of Brandon Jacobs, you can't just look at his performance "now". That is simply not a fair assessment, he is older now and hadn't played for pretty much a full year. You need to rewind the clock, when we signed him it was right after the Giants had won the Super Bowl. He was still providing healthy contribution and was a difference maker in certain situations. If you remember right, both him and Bradshaw were basically a 2-headed monster on Giants' run game which we didn't have a whole lot of answer to. Yes, he did injure himself in the preseason, but he had healed by week 4-5 if I am not wrong. And yet how many times did we play him ? We played him in 2 games with 5 carries for 7 yards in short yardage situations. And because of that people thought he was crap ?! Are you serious ? The mistake was we only used him in short yardage situations when he certainly had far more to offer based on what he could do in 2011. His current situation with the Giants is different cos they have David Wilson and he is now 31.

As for Jenkins, well he is getting snaps at least. Whether he is any good or can become any good is another matter. The point is if you don't play him, you will never know. I guess that is precisely why Andy Reid is playing him.

Oh by the way, I think someone posted Baldwin was seen wearing a scout jersey and doesn't look likely he will play in this game. So much for accusations huh ?!

If you think my "willingness to use exaggerations to criticize Harbaugh and Ballke are boundless", then by the same token I believe your assessment of Harbaugh and Baalke has been clouded and even blinded by your profound love for the two men to a point that is beyond reproach and quite frankly may require you to seek help. I, on the other hand, look at things as they are without prejudice. Yes, I do critic, but I also give credit where credit is due. If you can remember, I gave Baalke full credit for admitting to his own mistake by trading AJ Jenkins in a timely fashion. And what were the majority of people here were saying ? They couldn't believe he would trade away a 1st round pick after just one season and yet I defended him, did I not ? Where was the exaggeration in that huh ?
Originally posted by CRABTREE:
Call Hawkins Back!


This !!