Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
The Hawks have one of the best secondaries you have ever seen? f**k no. The only guy in their secondary that has true talent is Earl Thomas. All the other guys are mediocre to solid players, but they aren't elite. What they are is elite at holding and getting away with it.
I went back and watched the coaches film of our game and their game against the panthers. Richard Sherman and Walter Thurmond are great at tugging on the jersey to bring the wideout closer to them when he makes his break. They're also great at grabbing and holding the guys jersey up top when pressing at the line of scrimmage. Props to them for cheating so blatantly and getting away with it, but the reality is that their talent level is vastly overrated.
Sherman is slow, lanky, and doesn't have great change of direction or very fluid hips. He has pretty good ball skills though.
Brandon Browner is another guy that is huge for a corner and thus his fluidity and change of direction is poor. Also lacks speed. Another guy that is great at mugging wideouts though.
Kam Chancellor is just a big ass slow safety than can hit pretty good. He doesn't have very good coverage or ball skills.
Walter Thurmond is their most talented corner. Yup that's right. He is way more fluid than these other guys and has pretty good ball skills. However, Sherman and Browner excel more in that defense because of their size and length. It helps to be big with long arms when your defensive tactic is to reach out and grab and hold jerseys.
Earl Thomas- The only true stud (within the rules) in their secondary. A ball hawk.
In a defensive secondary that concentrates on mugging wide receivers as opposed to legally covering them, basically all you have to do is go out and select guys in later rounds that are big and not as talented. You don't need to worry about drafting defensive backs early because they don't need to be very good cover guys. Wait a second guys! That's exactly what Seattle has done! Genius! You have an undrafted free agent and a fifth round pick starting at your corner positions and another fifth round pick at the safety position. All of whom became all stars within a year in the pros. That's amazaaaaziiiing!
Pretty spot on. No idea why the NFL gives Seattle a 15 yard bump cushion. They just hang onto receivers for 15 yards. But they have been doing it ever since cheating Pete showed up and there doesn't appear to be any enforcement, might as well get used to it.
Seattle is getting the same treatment that the NFL gave to the Packers for so many years. The Packers get to do the same thing, they get to play physical and engage with the receivers well beyond the 5-yard window. Watch a Packers game, their guys run down the field shoving the WRs just over and over with one arm to disrupt their routes. GB is just like Seattle in the DB department, even worse in my opinion. Three of their starters in the secondary are undrafted
yeah.. OK!!! The only one drafted is their FS Burnett and he is a 3rd rounder. Every week they should be giving up 400-500 yards in the air with 3 undrafted players. I know the 49ers sure wouldn't get away with having 3 undrafted guys in their secondary.
I believe someone already said it in this thread, but this is the philosophy that both the Packers and Seahawks employ in the secondary:
The NFL will not call every penalty in order to keep a nice flow to the game and keep the game under 3-3.5 hours. With the approach of grabbing and holding you'll more than likely get called for holding instead of PI so when they do flag you, your team will only lose 5 yards, no big deal. So, to keep the flow of the game going the officials will start to ignore most of the penalties and then eventually they ignore nearly all of those penalties. Which is where we are with both Seattle and the Packers, but Seattle is smarter about it since they got 2 big guys to cheat instead of the smaller guys GB has