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4 WR sets

  • pd24
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When we go 4 or 5 recievers why do we use guys Like Miller and Gore as our 4th and 5th guys? I don't know if we went 5 but I saw a play where we used Boldin, Davis, Williams, and Miller. Why not put guys out there that will make the DB's work? Like Boldin, Williams, Patton, Davis, and Vance McDonald. I like some of the formations, but we don't put the best pass catchers out there and you end up with Kap throwing a 15 yrd pass to a FB.
deep post to Bruce Miller. brilliant.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
deep post to Bruce Miller. brilliant.

yah man that was just stupid
I've been advocating this as a way to open up space to run. When you run 4 WR sets, you spread the defense by default. They have no choice. Then it becomes less of a numbers game in the trenches. Once you have a ground game going and they start to sell out on the run, you see opportunities open up in the pass game.

Instead, we ran right into a brick wall 8 man front, and tried to attack the best secondary in the NFL with 2 or 3 receiving options in 3rd and long situations.
Because they won't expect it? Sometimes this coaching staff over-thinks and does the un-obvious when it's un-obvious because it is unlikely to work. I would have liked to have seen more WR action but perhaps the vets who have been here are better prepared...Miller, Gore, Hunter have more experience in this offense.
They really need to re-do their offensive planning.
Originally posted by 49erWay:
They really need to re-do their offensive planning.

Agreed. The team ran like 4 or 5 read option plays the first quarter that were going nowhere. I kept thinking to myself why the heck don't they use spread 3,4,5 we sets more often? It seems like everything is so compacted and bunched together most of the time. We got outcoached last night. I still keep hoping to wake up from a nightmare but it was reality and it stung. I am confident it will be corrected but I do also think we need help at WR. Brandon Lloyd??

Go Niners!!
Originally posted by pd24:
When we go 4 or 5 recievers why do we use guys Like Miller and Gore as our 4th and 5th guys? I don't know if we went 5 but I saw a play where we used Boldin, Davis, Williams, and Miller. Why not put guys out there that will make the DB's work? Like Boldin, Williams, Patton, Davis, and Vance McDonald. I like some of the formations, but we don't put the best pass catchers out there and you end up with Kap throwing a 15 yrd pass to a FB.

I didn't read the other posts but I believe the answer to your question is versatility. The coaches want to be able to create multiple receiver plays with power running personnel. Technically it creates mismatches when you use 2wr 1te 1fb 1rb personnel in 4-5 wr sets. I honestly haven't seen any other offense do this and it worked quite well against Green bay. The thing is we really just need a te/fb hybrid. That way we have our 1 and 2 wrs, VD, and another legit pass threat in the te/hb. That would allow us to use the power running formations while also being able to spread out without subbing personnel therefore creating the mismatches for the defense.
  • JMC52
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
deep post to Bruce Miller. brilliant.

yah man that was just stupid

Yet if he would have caught it, everyone would call it brilliant.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
I've been advocating this as a way to open up space to run. When you run 4 WR sets, you spread the defense by default. They have no choice. Then it becomes less of a numbers game in the trenches. Once you have a ground game going and they start to sell out on the run, you see opportunities open up in the pass game.

Instead, we ran right into a brick wall 8 man front, and tried to attack the best secondary in the NFL with 2 or 3 receiving options in 3rd and long situations.


One word - YES !!
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
deep post to Bruce Miller. brilliant.

yah man that was just stupid


We actually got what we wanted on that play and that was a lackadaisical Earl Thomas. He wasn't expecting us to go there and we did and although he closed fast, the ball was put perfectly on Miller, Miller just has to make that play. If that was a WR running that route, Thomas wouldn't of been so "unexpecting". Good call, just have to finish the play.

Sometimes it's all about match-ups. Would I like to see 4 and 5 WR sets out there? Of course I would but does that mean they will be successful? Who knows. With Gore and Miller out there, the defense has to stay in the base which means we will get a LB matched up with Gore which is in theory, a mismatch. If we put a WR out there instead of Gore, they will counter with a DB and that mismatch is not there anymore
[ Edited by Sims84 on Sep 17, 2013 at 4:41 AM ]
Quick, someone go diagram some plays on madden and send it to the coaches.
Originally posted by Sims84:
We actually got what we wanted on that play and that was a lackadaisical Earl Thomas. He wasn't expecting us to go there and we did and although he closed fast, the ball was put perfectly on Miller, Miller just has to make that play. If that was a WR running that route, Thomas wouldn't of been so "unexpecting". Good call, just have to finish the play.

Sometimes it's all about match-ups. Would I like to see 4 and 5 WR sets out there? Of course I would but does that mean they will be successful? Who knows. With Gore and Miller out there, the defense has to stay in the base which means we will get a LB matched up with Gore which is in theory, a mismatch. If we put a WR out there instead of Gore, they will counter with a DB and that mismatch is not there anymore

Exactitude. Now we just need to develop Chris Harper into a speedy wham blocking pass catching HB. Imagine Boldon/Crab, Davis, Harper, and LMJ. You can run any I form play but also have 4 legit passimg threats. H arper,LMJ, and Davis would get covered by the LBs and it just wouldn't be fair. I rewatched the game. These dish offs to miller/Gore actually work. Miller has had 2 big gains the past games. I know they're not deep balls. Dish offs are boring but the point is it causes the d to break down. They're.coverages get blown all be cause Miller leaks out. Kaep missed 2 throws.to miller and 2 to Gore or we would probably be singing a different tune