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2013 - Week 2: Thoughts after watching the game...

  • dj43
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As always Marvin, good job. Well appreciated.

I would like to focus on just one of your observations: Staley getting beat inside on a few occasions.

This was all about scheme, not physical performance. Seattle lined up their defensive front IN THE GAPS between the 49er OL. This forced the OL to EACH make the correct read as to which gap to favor versus the charging DL. In a couple of cases, I saw someone go inside Staley but it was not clear from the play of Iupati as to whether it was Staley's fault or Iupati's. My guess was it was Iupati on at least two cases.

All this comes back to a point I have made in other threads last night and today: You cannot beat Seattle if you cannot force them out of their 8 man fronts. Last night, going against the best secondary in the league, Harbaugh chose to ignore crossing and drag routes behind the front and the result was the same thing as the last time we played them.
it would have been a low scoring game with the niners winning if kaep would have been able to hit his receivers,receivers do their job to get open and had a running game going. time to prepare for the colts.


any thought on KW? i feel like he is slow.
The defense whooped our butts. Kap looked like Krap. Its just one week, one game. Lets not go nuts here. Let them bask in glory, for in a few days we have another fight on our hands.
still angry lol
Bad game planning. As a general rule, one should not play into the strengths of the opposing team. Why would we spread it out and test this secondary when they're dline knows the snap count and has the advantage? A[b]nd our receiving core is our weakest link. I guess they put it on kaps shoulders, and it just didn't work. No bueno. Coaches have to put the players in an advantageous position, I don't think they did it, now was that the only issue? No, but I think it was at the root of them.
[ Edited by RMuTT1981 on Sep 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM ]
Originally posted by DrHawkingThe12th:
I'm surprised to see how they were playing away from their obvious strengths and not establishing their great run game. Kaepernick is a great QB but should not be expected to do everything on offense. Just pound the rock, establish the run and do what the Niners do. So strange to see them play outside of that plan. There seems to be a typical freak out about Gore. He played against two very good D's and not surprisingly couldn't get going. Let's see how he plays against a not very good D next week.

Unlike others, I don't think the 49ers were holding back. I hate how it's considered holding back when they struggle, but all the sudden changes when they succeed. Gore couldn't get going. CK did get some running plays in, but he didn't always have room to run. I don't think you want him to turn into RG3 when the run and passing game is struggling. Remember, he's in this for the long haul. Also, did anyone expect Boldin to dominate against Sherman and the rest of the pro bowl secondary? This was a wake up call for the 49ers, nothing more. I think they'll come back better from it.

This hopefully silences those who underestimated us after that Panthers game. So the Seahawks looked like a .500 team after handing Newton the worst game of his career while 2500 miles away in Carolina, in 90 degree weather, and at 10am? Wilson was under pressure all day against a top 5 front seven and managed 300+ yards. How is that an 8-8 performance?

I feel for the 49ers in the injury department. Both teams are stacked with talent, but they're sort of waiting in limbo and wondering how good they can be if healthy. I hope they get healthy just as much as I hope Okung, Harvin, Browner, Hill, and Clemons get healthy.

I hope Gore gets it figured out. If there was any reason to be disappointed about the 49ers losing the SB last season, it was because Gore deserves it. He is a class act and somebody everyone can look up to.

Very nice post and compliment about Gore.

Someone thought the Hawks would be 8-8? Wow!

I don't think we were holding back either, rather, played vanilla. This is how much your crowd can affect a game...when you are relying on hand signals the "plan" can appear to get dumbed down for sure and we've seen that two games in a row now where it clearly doesn't look like we're playing our game or to our strengths. But credit Seattle for forcing that issue big time with their talent. Thurmond played lights out again and heck, I'd take him over our #1 CB right now. Your secondary has unbelievable talent back there despite some clear advantage in the physical department. With Reid out it lead to a big 50 yard pass play and another 40 yard P.I. Either one of those was enough to win this game b/c of our offense and inabiity to move the ball. TO's and untimely penalties will kill any team and you just can't give Seattle ANYTHING up there. Nice win and we'll see you in December!
I think if we made their huge DEs run sideline to sideline on occasion with Hunter, then that could tire them out or keep them honest...where as running up the gut, played right into their personnel.

the other thing that used to hurt Seattle with Gore was when we did bunch everyone up (in an non-pistol formation) and with 8-9 in the box, if Gore found one crease it would make them pay big time.

I also hate the fact that when we FINALLY ran a regular play action bootleg with Kap out of bunch, there was a foul start by Celek was it? It looked like it could've been a big play with Kap maybe catching the defense off guard for a nice pass or him keeping it himself for a nice play.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Sep 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM ]
Thanks Seattle for kicking our ass, we needed that
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
"The problem wasn't the plan...it was the execution. Seattle was GLUED to receivers all night and the O-Line just couldn't get a push."

Marvin, its easy to glue our receivers when the personnel we have there is a full back as one of our receivers... running routes..getting the ball thrown to him, with of course him dropping it.

it might not have been the "plan", but it was the "personnel" the coaches choose to use. I mean they also had Osgood out there running routes, what threat does he pose?

we continue to run Gore out of the pistol formation...again personnel we use. I've said it before, but we should always have Hunter or James back there for the pistol. Hunter can pass block for alittle guy. And we need to run regular WCO formations for Gore.

its the coaches man....Seattle has adjusted to us, where as we still seem stubborn to make adjustments.


Thank you!!!!!! Everyone is good in the nfl. It's about adjustments. Our use of personnel and scheme just scream of arrogance. Our scheme obviously wasn't working and there was no plan to do anything different


I call BS on that one.

First series of the game and they came out in no huddle. That is a radical shift from anythig they've done before. The plan was to wear the defense down and slince the crowd. If they'd been able to convert a few first downs, it may have worked.

The problem was in EXECUTION.

Hell, if Miller can catch the ball the Niners might have been up 7-0. Instead there's a pick and the Niners never get in the endzone.

The score really doesn't matter because it was a CLOSE game before the 49ers started handing out 1st downs in the redzone on Personal Fouls. The score got nuts when they went down by more than 2 scores and THEN went outside their regular offense. What happened then?

Turnover city. Thats how the score got out of hand.

The score got really lopside and could have been worse had Seattle tried to score at the end, but it was a close game most of the way through before some mistakes blew it open. Credit goes to Seattle for taking advantage and just keeping at it when things weren't going well early.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Sep 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Very nice post and compliment about Gore.

Someone thought the Hawks would be 8-8? Wow!

I don't think we were holding back either, rather, played vanilla. This is how much your crowd can affect a game...when you are relying on hand signals the "plan" can appear to get dumbed down for sure and we've seen that two games in a row now where it clearly doesn't look like we're playing our game or to our strengths. But credit Seattle for forcing that issue big time with their talent. Thurmond played lights out again and heck, I'd take him over our #1 CB right now. Your secondary has unbelievable talent back there despite some clear advantage in the physical department. With Reid out it lead to a big 50 yard pass play and another 40 yard P.I. Either one of those was enough to win this game b/c of our offense and inabiity to move the ball. TO's and untimely penalties will kill any team and you just can't give Seattle ANYTHING up there. Nice win and we'll see you in December!

Thanks for the kudos. That game shocked me. I hate predicting scores, but I was suckered into it last week by predicting a 23-20 win. I think this is where the injuries at WR are hurting the 49ers. Boldin is a great receiver and did well against a poor secondary last week, but it wasn't shocking to see him struggle against Sherman. This will probably change once Manningham and Crabtree come back, but I think it will be a theme when playing against well rounded D's.

Both teams are beat up right now. Luckily for both teams this was a week two game. This will allow both teams to get over the roller coaster of emotion and hopefully get healthy for the final stretch. I look forward to the next meeting.

The 49ers D was fierce in this one. As Marvin49 said, this game really was closer than the score suggests because of them (hard to be to comfortable with a 5-0 halftime lead haha). I don't think I just speak for myself when saying I was very nervous until the 4th quarter.

Win or lose, always stick by your team (especially a damn good 49ers team that still has SB aspirations).
[ Edited by DrHawkingThe12th on Sep 16, 2013 at 12:05 PM ]
I don't understand where the WestCoast offense has gone. We have smaller receivers in this matchup and should have exploited the quick passing routes more to open up the run game from I formations. We had success with quick routes. I don't get the coaches thinking there.

I don't understand running a read option offense in this matchup especially with a downhill defense with speedsters rushing the passer and a strong physical Dline??????? And definitely not at the beginning of the game. We need that offense when the D is tired, and slowed by our passing production backing them off.

One huge issue I had was that Seattles Defense had a HUGE edge on getting the better start at the snap of the ball. You can not put any blame on the coaches for that. It was just the home crowd advantage that made us use the hand signals for the snap and unfortunately they were able to get great timing of the snap. (Don't look for our pass protection to be anywhere near as this bad for the rest of the season.) Overall, my main issue was the OFFENSIVE game planning and lack of adjustments made to counter their defensive attack, i.e. screens, sweeps, no Hunter, no Patton. WTF

--the issue is not Gore, and is not defense
Originally posted by threelittlebirds:
I'm getting tired of people talking about their loud stadium. It certainly helps them get the other team rattled and messes up communications. But that pales in comparison to the NFL allowing them to so blatantly cheat in the secondary. I get the 5 yard rule where you can jam a WR, but you're not allowed to straight up grab/hug/maul a guy so that he can't even run his route... the lack of enforcement on that rule is BS because they never stop contact at 5 yards... they keep going until 7 or 8 yards and then ease up a little but continue with lots of illegal contact with little shoves and holds.

I've watched other Seattle games and they aren't allowed to do that to anyone else but the 49ers. Sure they play physical, but they don't just maul and throw WRs to the ground without drawing a single flag until the game is already over.

My personal favorite was when their CB took Patton and literally just threw him down on the ground. And yes, this IS allowed in Seattle...has been for a couple years now. It's when they travel elsewhere where's it's called (see first few plays of the Redskins/Hawks playoff game last year). We got ONE illegal contact penalty at the very end of 4Q. That said, we KNOW this going in and have to be able to counter in some fashion It's no secret. Like the Ravens, they have established themselves as that kind of team, culture, and it's not going to change any time soon. It certainly does make for an uphill battle of frustration but professional teams need to find ways to overcome it. Maybe picks plays would work better?
One positive thing is we go back to being underdogs, which is what i think this team needed.
Seattle is like the new New York Giants of the 80s, except their head coach is a scumbag who has a long track record of cheating.

Until further notice, we ain't winning there for a while, but they ain't f**king winning in our house, either.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Method:
Kap cost us the game. Dude had open checkdowns throughout. Had Kyle Williams on a slant into the endzone, looked right at him, didnt trust his read then forced it to VD on a terrible throw that was picked. Just an awful awful awful performance. So disappointed.

this, the dude played awful just no way to sugarcoat it. but I do expect him to bounce back and have a great season.

he played awful but guess what, so did the O-line. He couldn't step up in the pocket to save his life. Every passing play he had practically no time. both were bad