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Is it time for a change at RB?

Is it time for a change at RB?

I agree with the OP. People get mad when you question Frank Gore's abilities at this stage in his career but every RB slows down beyond 30. It's a proven fact. Name 1 pro bowl RB beyond 30 years old? I think Frank has lost more speed and burst than anything. His knowledge and pass blocking are saving him as a starter.

I think back to last week's game vs GB. The 3rd and 5 run on our last drive before Kaep hits Boldin on rollout 4th and 2. Gore gets a nice hole on the left side and has daylight in front of him but gets taken down from behind 1-2 yard short of the first down. It had to come down to the 4th and 2 rollout. Frank had the first down. Time to stop relying on big games from him. Save him for short yardage plays. Give Hunter more touches.
[ Edited by 951NINER on Sep 16, 2013 at 9:25 AM ]
how could the hawks hold for sooo long? Do the refs purposely allow them to hold like that?
Originally posted by VA49er:
You have to actually give Gore the ball to see if he can still run it or not. We need to start comiting to the run out of some of our jumbo packages again when playing a team like seattle. Getting in a dual with their secondary was a poor gameplan. We set Kaep up for failure last night.

I'll admit I was surprised in this game AND the 42-13 game Gore pretty much never got the ball. Yet when you beat us at home (with Smith), Gore pretty much ran all over us (with assistance from the well planned trap plays). But honestly whatever your gameplan with CK it works pretty much against everyone else but us, so why change it (until we meet again in December).
[ Edited by zaghawk on Sep 16, 2013 at 9:31 AM ]
Originally posted by zaghawk:
Originally posted by VA49er:
You have to actually give Gore the ball to see if he can still run it or not. We need to start comiting to the run out of some of our jumbo packages again when playing a team like seattle. Getting in a dual with their secondary was a poor gameplan. We set Kaep up for failure last night.

I'll admit I was surprised in this game AND the 42-13 game Gore pretty much never got the ball. Yet when you beat us at home (with Smith), Gore pretty much ran all over us (with assistance from the well planned trap plays). But honestly whatever your gameplan with CK it works pretty much against everyone else but us, so why change it (until we meet again in December).

The problem the 49ers have is one of identity. When Smith was under center he was limited, which forced the 49ers to draft players and develop an identity of pounding the rock. Kaep comes along and all of a sudden that type of offense actually limits his abilities. I think the team needs to better define what it is on offense is their core competitive advantage and focus on that.

The other problem was Seattle just matches up well because they can single cover the receivers keep everyone else in the box against us. So far, they haven't figure out a way to force Seattle off that tactic.

The 49er defense played pretty well considering how bad the offense was. It was apparent the impact the loss of Reid had as Seattle really started to get things going after he left.

Week 14 should be good if Crabtree and Manningham return and play well. Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham, Davis is much better than the guys we trotted out there last night.
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Sep 16, 2013 at 9:43 AM ]
To bad we cant use lattimore
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Originally posted by zaghawk:
Originally posted by VA49er:
You have to actually give Gore the ball to see if he can still run it or not. We need to start comiting to the run out of some of our jumbo packages again when playing a team like seattle. Getting in a dual with their secondary was a poor gameplan. We set Kaep up for failure last night.

I'll admit I was surprised in this game AND the 42-13 game Gore pretty much never got the ball. Yet when you beat us at home (with Smith), Gore pretty much ran all over us (with assistance from the well planned trap plays). But honestly whatever your gameplan with CK it works pretty much against everyone else but us, so why change it (until we meet again in December).

The problem the 49ers have is one of identity. When Smith was under center he was limited, which forced the 49ers to draft players and develop an identity of pounding the rock. Kaep comes along and all of a sudden that type of offense actually limits his abilities. I think the team needs to better define what it is on offense is their core competitive advantage and focus on that.

The other problem was Seattle just matches up well because they can single cover the receivers keep everyone else in the box against us. So far, they haven't figure out a way to force Seattle off that tactic.

The 49er defense played pretty well considering how bad the offense was. It was apparent the impact the loss of Reid had as Seattle really started to get things going after he left.

Week 14 should be good if Crabtree and Manningham return and play well. Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham, Davis is much better than the guys we trotted out there last night.

You have to assume however that Crabs might not be 100%. Anyone who comes back form that type of injury doesn't play at full strength when they come back. But the issue is Boldin is the only true WR that we have. Williams was not doing Boldin any favors by being out there. Maybe Baldwin could have contributed due to his size and speed. I just think, with Kaep at the helm they have to revamp the running game because with Kaeps threat to run, all teams will stack the box. Again as I said in other posts, if a team has a good enough front seven/eight (pass rush) and their secondary is good at man to man, thats the formula to beat the niners.
no, the oline needs to block better. there were no holes
i wouldn't go as far as saying Gore needs to be benched, but why we don't utilize Hunter more, is mind bottling. Dude is explosive, can block and makes people miss.
The main difference between the two teams as I see it (and of course people here will disagree) is a dominating running attack. A MARSHAWN LYNCH ...! But then again not many teams in the NFL with the exception of the Vikings and a couple of others do NOT have a runner of this caliber.

As much as people won't admit it, Frank Gore IS getting old and IS slowing down. Even at his peak, he was still not in the same caliber as Lynch, and Petterson.

The 49er's needed Crabtree badly in this game, because once the Seahawks took out Boldin ... it was their game.
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The problem with the run game last night was the result of the fact that Seattle put 8 men on the LOS all night long and dared Kaepernick to complete passes against their secondary with 3 men going man against 49er receivers. Kaep could do nothing. Much of it was his own fault while other parts were due to the fact the 49ers just do not have ANY WRs who are capable of getting open against a quality secondary. As a result, Seattle lined up with a defender in every gap in the 49er OL and closed down every running lane. There was nothing available all night long. Barry Sanders would not have found running room against that alignment.

The good news is, we all knew the WR corp is sub-par.

The bad news is, it will not get better any time soon. In fact, if Vernon Davis' hamstring keeps him out of games, or even slows him down, things will get worse in the passing game. The best hope at this point is that Jon Baldwin will pick up the offense and begin to be a force. He is capable but we have been through all that before so I won't repeat. With Manningham another month or more from being game ready, and Crabtree even further into the future, it is going to be a while before anything changes.

Of course there is other good news. For one thing, the Indy defense is not going to resemble Seattle in quality although you can bet the will have seen how effectively the Seattle defense stifled the 49er OL and will throw some 8 man fronts against SF next week. Other teams on the horizon are not going to come close to Seattle in quality so things should look better for Gore and the running game, assuming Kaepernick can regain his mojo and begin playing like the wunderkind everyone thought he was after Green Bay. I am going to remain cautiously optimistic on that score as the GB secondary was staffed with inexperience at safety which made things much easier.

The other part of the running game problem is the absolute stubbornness on the part of HaRoman. The running game has become very predictable. In some ways it reminds me of the dark days of Jimmy Raye and Mike Singletary "Impose our will" nonsense. Harbaugh is a very proud, sometimes arrogant man who has tremendous self-confidence/pride. Perhaps the humiliation he suffered last night will wake him up to the fact he will have to vary the approach if this offense is to work into the playoffs. Let's hope a resurgence born of an inferior Indy team does not cloud the picture. In any case, the run game problem was not Gore's problem.
Originally posted by bzborow1:
The problem the 49ers have is one of identity. When Smith was under center he was limited, which forced the 49ers to draft players and develop an identity of pounding the rock. Kaep comes along and all of a sudden that type of offense actually limits his abilities. I think the team needs to better define what it is on offense is their core competitive advantage and focus on that.

The other problem was Seattle just matches up well because they can single cover the receivers keep everyone else in the box against us. So far, they haven't figure out a way to force Seattle off that tactic.

The 49er defense played pretty well considering how bad the offense was. It was apparent the impact the loss of Reid had as Seattle really started to get things going after he left.

Week 14 should be good if Crabtree and Manningham return and play well. Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham, Davis is much better than the guys we trotted out there last night.

Your First statement is so true. It's no ones fault either. As a result to Smith not panning out the FO Oline high. Staley,Iupati, and Davis we're goof to keep Alex clean to manage. Meanwhile a much younger Gore became the focal point behind a great oline. But now we have a gunslinger who can run circle around any team in Kaep.Except we still have the power game personnel. We have to keep Crab. I mean the Patrick Peterson, Courland Finnegan, Janoris Jenkins, Tyranny Matheau, and the entire Seahawks secondary are no joke. I'm afraid we're gonna make winning the division to hard if we don't get a legit #1 &#2.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Your First statement is so true. It's no ones fault either. As a result to Smith not panning out the FO Oline high. Staley,Iupati, and Davis we're goof to keep Alex clean to manage. Meanwhile a much younger Gore became the focal point behind a great oline. But now we have a gunslinger who can run circle around any team in Kaep.Except we still have the power game personnel. We have to keep Crab. I mean the Patrick Peterson, Courland Finnegan, Janoris Jenkins, Tyranny Matheau, and the entire Seahawks secondary are no joke. I'm afraid we're gonna make winning the division to hard if we don't get a legit #1 &#2.

The seahawks are the only secondary that is really all that tough, they have size to jam receivers throughout the entire secondary. No other team has that ability, and Dick Shermans holding is ridiculous, he is very good at disguising it and unfortunately this team has to figure out a way to overcome that sh*t. IMO give VM more time in this offense and we have a good counter punch.
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Only read a few pages...The running problems are mostly with the blocking. Gore and Hunter are getting hit at or behind the line. I don't know what's going on with the O-line, but they're just not getting it done. None of our backs are going to look good until the line, Bruce Miller, and the TE's get their blocking in order. Miller has been atrocious with missed blocks when he's in.
Originally posted by zaghawk:
Originally posted by VA49er:
You have to actually give Gore the ball to see if he can still run it or not. We need to start comiting to the run out of some of our jumbo packages again when playing a team like seattle. Getting in a dual with their secondary was a poor gameplan. We set Kaep up for failure last night.

I'll admit I was surprised in this game AND the 42-13 game Gore pretty much never got the ball. Yet when you beat us at home (with Smith), Gore pretty much ran all over us (with assistance from the well planned trap plays). But honestly whatever your gameplan with CK it works pretty much against everyone else but us, so why change it (until we meet again in December).

This is a good point. One thing I noticed about the Packers/Hawks game was that there seems to be a distinct difference in how defenses are playing us and much is to guard against the Q-formation (i.e. the read option).

Teams know that Gore is one of the best between-the-tackle RB's in the game; no need to worry about him bouncing it off tackle though. So GB countered with HUGE bodies inside with Jolly/Raji/Pickett and had a heavy rotation there throughout the game. Then they played physical up at the LOS with their secondary in press AND kept an eye in our backfield. If they saw CK start to run, they blow up field off the edges and the OLB's contain more on the outside (play more disciplined). Even if we put the speedster in Hunter in there to run off tackle, it's played the same way...and as a result, you've forced Gore into pass protection, taken away any runs between the T's and eliminated any off-T runs (or scrambles). And since we rarely take any true deep shots down field (or have a consistent threat there), defenses just ignore it.

Where we COULD attack is in the middle soft zones with both VD and McDonald and esp. with flaring out Gore/Hunter/Miller out there. This, ironically, is how we beat the Hawks last time in SF; short 5 yards passes just behind the DL and allowing Gore and Walker to get RAC. It chewed up the clock, kept drives alive and we finished with a TD.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 16, 2013 at 10:35 AM ]
This thread is laughable.

Gore has never been an incredible first quarter, or even first half runner. Gore has always made his money in the second half of ball games.

What do you expect from the guy? Hes not getting his carries and the guys in front of him are blocking like s**t. Even Hunter was getting hit in the backfeild.


We have one of these threads every year BTW. EVERY YEAR. Im 99.9% positie we had one last season and gore went on to have arguably his best season as a 49er.

We are 1-1 going into week 3. Some of you guys need your heads checked.