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My Mock Outlook to 2014 and 2015 Cap Wise

Also, do you guys really think Kap is selfish? He takes 90-95M deal, so he takes less, in turn he helps out getting players back. Like Boldin, and maybe Crabtree.

Brooks cut makes no sense right now, no one to replace him. Rogers will be cut.

It isnt hard to get guys to restructure. They get up front signing bonus. Vernon may do it this year in November when allowed. Boldin could do it soon. We are already hurting for cap room. What if Iupati signs a new deal this year, he takes away from our 2014 cap. Then what?

Gore should NOT get treated like everyone thinks he should be. He is a key reason we got the the super bowl. He is a workhorse, he will slow down, of course, but just because he is 30, and makes $6.45M makes him a automatic cut. He will redo his deal, extend for 2 more years, mentors Latti and Hunter more. I rather keep Gore till retirement, then have him go somewhere else, and help that team win a title. 1 game doesnt say he is done. No one could run sunday. Kap didnt even run. GB was looking and waiting for the run game. They never expected the pass game.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Also, do you guys really think Kap is selfish? He takes 90-95M deal, so he takes less, in turn he helps out getting players back. Like Boldin, and maybe Crabtree.

Brooks cut makes no sense right now, no one to replace him. Rogers will be cut.

It isnt hard to get guys to restructure. They get up front signing bonus. Vernon may do it this year in November when allowed. Boldin could do it soon. We are already hurting for cap room. What if Iupati signs a new deal this year, he takes away from our 2014 cap. Then what?

Gore should NOT get treated like everyone thinks he should be. He is a key reason we got the the super bowl. He is a workhorse, he will slow down, of course, but just because he is 30, and makes $6.45M makes him a automatic cut. He will redo his deal, extend for 2 more years, mentors Latti and Hunter more. I rather keep Gore till retirement, then have him go somewhere else, and help that team win a title. 1 game doesnt say he is done. No one could run sunday. Kap didnt even run. GB was looking and waiting for the run game. They never expected the pass game.
agreed. gore is still gore. no one ran well last week and as the game went on he started finding the same holes he always finds. now that teams know kap can throw (as if they werent paying attention last year) gore will see more holes open up, but if we do win a superbowl this year i can see gore maybe hanging them up. i dont think he'll be one of those guys like e smith, tomlinson and others who stayed way too long and looked like s**t at the end of their careers. gore can still play tho
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Also, do you guys really think Kap is selfish? He takes 90-95M deal, so he takes less, in turn he helps out getting players back. Like Boldin, and maybe Crabtree.

Brooks cut makes no sense right now, no one to replace him. Rogers will be cut.

It isnt hard to get guys to restructure. They get up front signing bonus. Vernon may do it this year in November when allowed. Boldin could do it soon. We are already hurting for cap room. What if Iupati signs a new deal this year, he takes away from our 2014 cap. Then what?

Gore should NOT get treated like everyone thinks he should be. He is a key reason we got the the super bowl. He is a workhorse, he will slow down, of course, but just because he is 30, and makes $6.45M makes him a automatic cut. He will redo his deal, extend for 2 more years, mentors Latti and Hunter more. I rather keep Gore till retirement, then have him go somewhere else, and help that team win a title. 1 game doesnt say he is done. No one could run sunday. Kap didnt even run. GB was looking and waiting for the run game. They never expected the pass game.
agreed. gore is still gore. no one ran well last week and as the game went on he started finding the same holes he always finds. now that teams know kap can throw (as if they werent paying attention last year) gore will see more holes open up, but if we do win a superbowl this year i can see gore maybe hanging them up. i dont think he'll be one of those guys like e smith, tomlinson and others who stayed way too long and looked like s**t at the end of their careers. gore can still play tho

I would be fine with that. We win SB, he goes out on high horse, as a champ. Or he stays 1 more yr, reduces salary, and mentors Lattimore for 1 year, and then retires. Takes a job coaching the backs here.
forget terms for these players for a moment. 2016 is a year I look at where we have 15 players signed, following.

Willis
Bowman
Brooks
Staley
A.Davis
Lee
Reid
Carradine
V.McDonald
Lemonier
Patton
Lattimore
Dial
Moody
Daniels

All are worth staying by then. Add in the following no brainers.

Aldon
Kap
Cully
Hunter
Miller
Kilgore
Vernon
Ray Mac
Boone
McDermott (If he works out, sign extension after 2014)
Wilhoite (Same as McDermott, but after 2013)
Cox (If he continues playing well)

Maybes:

Crabs
Iupati
Dahl
Dorsey
Skuta
I.Williams
Marquardt (Could be the key OT backup by 2016)
Harper (If he works out as a Delanie 2.0)

By then, the following should be gone, or retired

Rogers
Gore
Justin
Fleming

That is a lot of players worth keeping, how do we keep the core together. And I showed it. It is possible, but some players will need to take pay cuts to keep a SB winning like team together.
Almost forgot Spillman as a possible long term ST Ace.
Following up after AB is pretty hard, nearly impossible. . Here's what I would add though. The Brian Go guys are assuming kap is just going to be the bigger pig at the trough. You folks are not giving Kap credit for also being able to see what the horrible signing of flacco meant to the ravens...what's left of them. I think Kap is one whale of a Qb, yes, still young yet. But I also think Kap is pretty smart and he can put $20 mil together with the numbers laid out...and it just doesn't work out if you want to win. He will have plenty of time to make money with endorsements with a SB win. And call me "pie in the sky" or whatever, but I just think Kap is smarter than flacco, and all other Qbs who hogged all the money.

The bigger pig theory is not hard to fathom. And at Kap's age, young, he has the capability to be fantastic with all the top flite moving parts around him. You all really believe Kap is going to be the bigger pig when he knows that will help decimate this team faster than anything else ?. It will also keep him from winning SBs, and wth Kap plus the well managed salaries we have, he is smart enough to see multi SBs in his near future. Why be the bigger pig and blow that? And don't for a moment think Kap hasn't had thots about a bunch of SBs. But that takes sacrifice, doing salary deals that help keep this great team together. People that say kap is going to jump at that monster payday, are selling our QB short. Frankly, altho I believe Brian believes Kap will just follow what other QBs have done and take the dough, I feel you are greatly underestimating just how badly Kap wants that honor....glory...prestige...the money will follow. Honestly, between money and SB, Kap knows what he wants. Lots of time to make money later. Hell, some teams have yet to BE in a SB. And Kap is looking down the barrel of a bunch of them.

In the case of Flacco, Stafford, especially Romo, I take back what I said. They SHOULD have taken that big payday. Because those guys all KNOW they will never see the SB , or in Flacco's place( see it again). Hence, so what if they screw their teams. Might as well take money because none of those boys will attend a SB unless as a visitor. So, yeah, I do see their point. Kap is not in that position. He can sense it, feel it. It draws him. And then once he wins a SB, he will turn around and do it again. We are close, Kap is close. I don't see him hurting this team with a $20 mil deal....but what do I know?
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Just throwing this out there, but AB you can change the 83 to 81 in your name, time to let go.
Do you do baseball salaries? Can you tell my Giants to spend more money to keep up with the Dodgers?
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Just throwing this out there, but AB you can change the 83 to 81 in your name, time to let go.

Do it to it. You have my authorization.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Do it to it. You have my authorization.

So Antonio Bryant 81 Rules? You're going to freak us all out. Everyone will be like who is this AB81 guy who keeps stealing AB83's cap info?

AB83, never forget! Now is your chance... otherwise it could be another 20 years be for we have another AB initialed WR. Antonio Bryant, Arnaz Battle, Anquan Boldin.... doesn't seem like good odds to have 3 ABs in 7 years. Seems as likely as drafting 2 Quintons in one year.. Dial and Patton

P.S. I blame AB for not winning a SB these past 2 years. His not letting go of Arnaz Battle is the link to the past regimes and it has cursed us.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Sep 13, 2013 at 12:25 AM ]
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Do it to it. You have my authorization.

So Antonio Bryant 81 Rules? You're going to freak us all out. Everyone will be like who is this AB81 guy who keeps stealing AB83's cap info?

AB83, never forget! Now is your chance... otherwise it could be another 20 years be for we have another AB initialed WR. Antonio Bryant, Arnaz Battle, Anquan Boldin.... doesn't seem like good odds to have 3 ABs in 7 years. Seems as likely as drafting 2 Quintons in one year.. Dial and Patton

P.S. I blame AB for not winning a SB these past 2 years. His not letting go of Arnaz Battle is the link to the past regimes and it has cursed us.

lol. Anquan Boldin baby. I did like Bryant, but he couldnt keep his pants up.

I cursed all of us, I admit it. It's all my fault.
Welcome, AB81. Now there's a guy everybody wants to be. Way to go AB...81. Good thinking , Kolohe.

Just a note about Anquan....nobody made a big deal out of it but on that first down pass when we had to have it, he was doubled, Kap was in trouble, and Anquan.....
pushed off, coming open just for a moment, which was long enough. I cannot remember the last time I saw a 49er receiver do that...and not get caught. Whatever we all know about him...he is way better than that. Guy is amazing. Also, Anquan is TOUGH.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Welcome, AB81. Now there's a guy everybody wants to be. Way to go AB...81. Good thinking , Kolohe.

Just a note about Anquan....nobody made a big deal out of it but on that first down pass when we had to have it, he was doubled, Kap was in trouble, and Anquan.....
pushed off, coming open just for a moment, which was long enough. I cannot remember the last time I saw a 49er receiver do that...and not get caught. Whatever we all know about him...he is way better than that. Guy is amazing. Also, Anquan is TOUGH.

Thanks Doc. Yeah Boldin may of gotten away with a push off, but a lot of WRs do. And CBs too. Also Holding happens on every play, they call the worse. But yeah I agree 100%.

I love Boldin, this is perfect, AB81Rules is on board.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Following up after AB is pretty hard, nearly impossible. . Here's what I would add though. The Brian Go guys are assuming kap is just going to be the bigger pig at the trough. You folks are not giving Kap credit for also being able to see what the horrible signing of flacco meant to the ravens...what's left of them. I think Kap is one whale of a Qb, yes, still young yet. But I also think Kap is pretty smart and he can put $20 mil together with the numbers laid out...and it just doesn't work out if you want to win. He will have plenty of time to make money with endorsements with a SB win. And call me "pie in the sky" or whatever, but I just think Kap is smarter than flacco, and all other Qbs who hogged all the money.

The bigger pig theory is not hard to fathom. And at Kap's age, young, he has the capability to be fantastic with all the top flite moving parts around him. You all really believe Kap is going to be the bigger pig when he knows that will help decimate this team faster than anything else ?. It will also keep him from winning SBs, and wth Kap plus the well managed salaries we have, he is smart enough to see multi SBs in his near future. Why be the bigger pig and blow that? And don't for a moment think Kap hasn't had thots about a bunch of SBs. But that takes sacrifice, doing salary deals that help keep this great team together. People that say kap is going to jump at that monster payday, are selling our QB short. Frankly, altho I believe Brian believes Kap will just follow what other QBs have done and take the dough, I feel you are greatly underestimating just how badly Kap wants that honor....glory...prestige...the money will follow. Honestly, between money and SB, Kap knows what he wants. Lots of time to make money later. Hell, some teams have yet to BE in a SB. And Kap is looking down the barrel of a bunch of them.

In the case of Flacco, Stafford, especially Romo, I take back what I said. They SHOULD have taken that big payday. Because those guys all KNOW they will never see the SB , or in Flacco's place( see it again). Hence, so what if they screw their teams. Might as well take money because none of those boys will attend a SB unless as a visitor. So, yeah, I do see their point. Kap is not in that position. He can sense it, feel it. It draws him. And then once he wins a SB, he will turn around and do it again. We are close, Kap is close. I don't see him hurting this team with a $20 mil deal....but what do I know?


I am underestimating Kaps ability to take less money? Ok. But based on what? All I am basing it on is the fact that not single NFL quarterback that I am aware of (with the possible exception of Brady, but I'll get to that in a moment) has taken a significant pay cut in order to "help the team be great".

So, what about Brady? I am not sure how the SOLE exception to the rule proves that Kap is not "greedy", but let's pretend it does.
Tom Brady took a reduced base salary, true, but he is guaranteed an unbelievable 57 million for INJURY. That means, if Brady suffers a career ending injury, the Patriots are on the hook for 57 million for five seasons. http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8990773/tom-brady-guarantees-nearly-doubled-deal-source

So Brady is taking "less" money, sure, but it is GUARANTEED money. Not only this, but Brady's wife makes almost, if not more money than he does. So it's not as if Brady is doing some kind of noble deed, sitting in shining armor on a white horse. He is trading money for insurance. He has already experienced a bad injury, so that fear is probably in the front of his mind.

If we paid Kap a five year deal for 57 million guaranteed for injury, most people on this site would flip out, start berating Baalke etc.
So I am curious, would you rather we paid Kap like Brady; about 14 mil base, with 57 million guaranteed for injury? It would save a lot of cap room, but whoa neely, would we cringe every time a mosquito got near Kaepernick.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Sep 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM ]
Good point Brian, but is just another of many other variables. No, I don't think baalke would bite on that in a zillion yrs. THAT is one helluva gamble, and gambling does not seem to be Trent and Jim's cup of tea. Those guys measure the risk/reward and pull the trigger ...or not. So in answer to your question re: the guaranteed money, I don't know, but that sure seem like a dead duck for trent.