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My Mock Outlook to 2014 and 2015 Cap Wise

Originally posted by strickac:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
I sadly think Frank Gore gets cut after the 2013 season. His cap number is 6.45 and there appears to be no or minimal dead money there. With a healthy Lattimore, Hunter, and LMJ? I think loyalty will go right out the window. It's at least a real possibility that we may need to accept.

Hopefully we extend Hunter before he gets the start. We'll get the discount that way. Otherwise, once he starts putting up big numbers, he'll want starting RB money.

They would probably want to go this whole season to monitor his durability. Then, get a full look at Lattimore and LMJ's progression in the offseason before considering such a commitment.
If you think Kap is signing for less than 100MM your smoking. He might like us(maybe) but not that much. Can't you tell by his demeanor.
Originally posted by strickac:
I don't see Vernon and Ray taking pay cuts. Vernon should have a big year with us airing it out more. He'll want that elite TE money.

These are the same guys that restructured just so the team could extend Bowman or Brooks. I can't remember which player it was. But Davis and Ray have already shown where there loyalties lie. Every NFL player isn't Joe Flacco, Mike Wallace, or Dashon Goldson. There are some Tom Brady's out there too .


Originally posted by Gore_21:
We definitely would look to restructure guys before cutting them. We have for the past few years. I could see them wanting Lee to restructure maybe 1-3 years down the road. He got what he deserved but still is making a lot. Baldwin I don't know if we have any leverage, he doesnt seem like the type who would be willing to take a paycut to stay here. I see him spending most of the year on inactive then we have him hit the jugs next year, have him work and improve and see what he has next pre-season and see if he makes it. Brooks probably won't get cut next year. To me not worth 4.5 in dead money to save 3. Then for 2015 we would save 5.35 and have 3 in dead money so it's a possibility if Lemonier is doing well but again we much prefer to restructure then cut. It saves a lot of money. If Brooks hasn't restructured I could see him gone before 2016... 7.35 savings and only 1.5 dead money seems like that would be the time if he is still with us.

Also, AB... if Rogers wouldn't agree to take a pay cut after this season and we couldn't trade him and we cut him we would save 5.105 mil and have 2.989 in dead money. My question being we could designate him as a June 1st cut and be able to split that 2.989 in dead money over 2 years right? We could split it however we wanted or is it a straight down the middle 1.5 each year?

Baldwin IMO doesn't have much leverage. He fizzled out on his first team and is the 5th receiver on this team. Some guys would be higher on the depth chart based off of talent alone and he isn't one of those guys. If the 49ers came to him, he may have to take it because there might not be much available for him on the open market. Especially considering he won't get much playing time in 2013 to showcase his abilities.

Gore21, you also made comments about Chris Culliver being a guy that strikes you as feeling he is worth more than he's really worth. So it's not just the time factor that you brought up with Johnathan Baldwin. What did Culliver do to make you think he wouldn't give the team a discount? Same with Aldon Smith. How does he not seem like the type?
D-NOTTE, you and I see two different guys. Kap wants to win, to excel, to be the best QB of all time(that would take some doing). So rather than take $120 mil from the Titans or Miami, Raiders, Cleveland, jets, etc, I truly believe he will stay here where cap sense is revered and Kap is smart enough to see what pigs like Flacco end up with....a big fat contract and 16 games/season, never any more playoffs, because his team can't afford that. Guys taking these big numbers are interested in one thing...being the biggest pig at the trough. I put Kap in the category of wanting to win more than anything. Hell, he will get endorsements out the kazoo, as he plays longer and better. You really think a guy whose jersey is #1 seller country wide would demand another 3 or 4 mil/yr just to be the biggest pig? Not me. I think Kap understands that you cannot be the best if 20% of the cap goes to one guy...him. He needs Vernon, Boldin, Vance, patton, moore, maybe Baldwin around him, and he needs AD, Goodwin/Kilgore, etc, staley, and Iupati to protect him. I believe Kap is looking at long term, and becoming "the best". He has a great team, but he can't have some of those guys if he pigs all the dough.

And D-NOTTE, I am not picking on you, because Brian was the instigator of this. It all boils down to keeping cap under control, good F.O, and good drafts, few trades, and balanced paychecks. I don't know if you or Brian were around when we had one of the highest payrolls and krapt for talent....and it lasted some 10 yrs, 2000 to 2010. It took that long to get back to even on cap. And once we got out of cap hell, neither Jed, trent, nor Jim wanted any part of that again. They saw how it took a franchise, handcuffed it , and ruined it for 10 long yrs.

You read back on ABs posts over the yrs, and you will note that he has remained steady....don't spend more than you can afford....and if you do....you will look like the US govt....spend, spend, spend....never once balancing the checkbook. The over spending stopped for the 49ers when we had no talent left. It took us yrs to get it straightened out. YEARS. And that is exactly what pigs like flacco has done. Same in Detroit, ATL, Dallas, plus the other usual culprits. They got their money and ruined their teams. The minute they leave football they will be forgotten. Kap? I think he thinks the big picture, and knows he needs that team around him. Aldon, not so sure. But Kap is the guy we gotta have.

As for Brian's list of 13 guys who will be gone in a yr or two, I would remove Boldin, Iupati, and Miller from that list.. They will stay on.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by Gore_21:
AB, don't make the new members cry. Just kidding guys, I can see why some think it might be to early to discuss extending Dorsey, Skuta and Manningham. We will see how they do and a lot of your plan is hoping guys will restructure and lower their salary which we have gotten many guys to do but there is no guarantee guys will do it. With Manningham I think he might be the best out of the bunch with Moore and Williams but depends on how he comes back from injury and if we can count on him. If we can't then probably have to move on. I would probably only re-sign him to a 1 year, maybe 2 for cheap if we he comes back and does well.

As for Kap though, I wold agree will be closer to 90 million than 120. I think he will give us a discount; will depend on how he does this year but still think he wants to win and won't want to take up all our cap like Flacco. Really, I think it's nothing but the agent and the player's egos getting in the way when you think about the difference between 90 and 120 million. If you can't live off 90 million in your life something is wrong with you. It's kind of a well he got this much (even if overpaid) then we should get this much. Like AB said the teams like the Broncos, Ravens, Packers and Saints who are paying their QB 20 or so million a year don't have as much to spend on the rest of their team and they suffer because of it. You look at those teams and they have holes all over the place because they can't sign or re-sign other players. Means you have to draft extra well to fill in those gaps with dirt cheap rookies until their rookie contract is up and then you can't afford to pay them and have to start all over with another rookie. Anyways, Kaepernick and his parents have lived in the area for the last how many decades.. he's been a 49ers (and Packers when he came from Wisc) his whole life, he wants to be here and he wants to win. I just don't see him being greedy. He should give us a nice deal to leave money for the rest of the guys we need to re-sign.

Aldon on the other hand just not sure about. I think he wants to win but not sure if he wants to win like Kap and he might want more than 60 million. I think he has a 2015 option so maybe we start with Iupati who we are working on already... then after the season Kap and Miller/Hunter/Kilgore (if center of the future) who should be easy to take care of. Culliver might be a little harder; he's good but I think he's the type that thinks they are better than they are. I could see Aldon coming later and Crabtree maybe not at all. Possibly a franchise tag in 2015 but I know we don't want to do that because it eats a lot of money.

lol. Not trying to. I agree with the 90 then 120m, maybe 95m is better. But those teams you mentioned are hurting for money and will be for a while. And we cant do that, we are better than that, plus Baalke and Marathe are ninja's lol. They will get them signed, not worried, just hate seeing the money being given out, wish I could get just 1m or 250k. I am stuck making 733 a month, for personal reasons(Depression, OCD) on SSI.


I'm sorry but ANYONE who think Kap is signing for less than 100MM is a fool. Have you guys been paying attention to this guy. I love having Kap as a QB he will be the face of the NFL. He's made it all but clear hes gonna do what he wants no matter how it makes people feel. So if we dont pony up he will be gone. PERIOD.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
D-NOTTE, you and I see two different guys. Kap wants to win, to excel, to be the best QB of all time(that would take some doing). So rather than take $120 mil from the Titans or Miami, Raiders, Cleveland, jets, etc, I truly believe he will stay here where cap sense is revered and Kap is smart enough to see what pigs like Flacco end up with....a big fat contract and 16 games/season, never any more playoffs, because his team can't afford that. Guys taking these big numbers are interested in one thing...being the biggest pig at the trough. I put Kap in the category of wanting to win more than anything. Hell, he will get endorsements out the kazoo, as he plays longer and better. You really think a guy whose jersey is #1 seller country wide would demand another 3 or 4 mil/yr just to be the biggest pig? Not me. I think Kap understands that you cannot be the best if 20% of the cap goes to one guy...him. He needs Vernon, Boldin, Vance, patton, moore, maybe Baldwin around him, and he needs AD, Goodwin/Kilgore, etc, staley, and Iupati to protect him. I believe Kap is looking at long term, and becoming "the best". He has a great team, but he can't have some of those guys if he pigs all the dough.

And D-NOTTE, I am not picking on you, because Brian was the instigator of this. It all boils down to keeping cap under control, good F.O, and good drafts, few trades, and balanced paychecks. I don't know if you or Brian were around when we had one of the highest payrolls and krapt for talent....and it lasted some 10 yrs, 2000 to 2010. It took that long to get back to even on cap. And once we got out of cap hell, neither Jed, trent, nor Jim wanted any part of that again. They saw how it took a franchise, handcuffed it , and ruined it for 10 long yrs.

You read back on ABs posts over the yrs, and you will note that he has remained steady....don't spend more than you can afford....and if you do....you will look like the US govt....spend, spend, spend....never once balancing the checkbook. The over spending stopped for the 49ers when we had no talent left. It took us yrs to get it straightened out. YEARS. And that is exactly what pigs like flacco has done. Same in Detroit, ATL, Dallas, plus the other usual culprits. They got their money and ruined their teams. The minute they leave football they will be forgotten. Kap? I think he thinks the big picture, and knows he needs that team around him. Aldon, not so sure. But Kap is the guy we gotta have.

As for Brian's list of 13 guys who will be gone in a yr or two, I would remove Boldin, Iupati, and Miller from that list.. They will stay on.

Pasodoc 9er, First I think I have been on this site longer than you have. Ive seen AB posts over the years. We just disagree. Not the first time. lol.. Note: Every consistent winning team in the playoffs last year has paid their QB handsomely and the Colts,Redskins,Seattle are in the same boats as we are
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
D-NOTTE, you and I see two different guys. Kap wants to win, to excel, to be the best QB of all time(that would take some doing). So rather than take $120 mil from the Titans or Miami, Raiders, Cleveland, jets, etc, I truly believe he will stay here where cap sense is revered and Kap is smart enough to see what pigs like Flacco end up with....a big fat contract and 16 games/season, never any more playoffs, because his team can't afford that. Guys taking these big numbers are interested in one thing...being the biggest pig at the trough. I put Kap in the category of wanting to win more than anything. Hell, he will get endorsements out the kazoo, as he plays longer and better. You really think a guy whose jersey is #1 seller country wide would demand another 3 or 4 mil/yr just to be the biggest pig? Not me. I think Kap understands that you cannot be the best if 20% of the cap goes to one guy...him. He needs Vernon, Boldin, Vance, patton, moore, maybe Baldwin around him, and he needs AD, Goodwin/Kilgore, etc, staley, and Iupati to protect him. I believe Kap is looking at long term, and becoming "the best". He has a great team, but he can't have some of those guys if he pigs all the dough.

And D-NOTTE, I am not picking on you, because Brian was the instigator of this. It all boils down to keeping cap under control, good F.O, and good drafts, few trades, and balanced paychecks. I don't know if you or Brian were around when we had one of the highest payrolls and krapt for talent....and it lasted some 10 yrs, 2000 to 2010. It took that long to get back to even on cap. And once we got out of cap hell, neither Jed, trent, nor Jim wanted any part of that again. They saw how it took a franchise, handcuffed it , and ruined it for 10 long yrs.

You read back on ABs posts over the yrs, and you will note that he has remained steady....don't spend more than you can afford....and if you do....you will look like the US govt....spend, spend, spend....never once balancing the checkbook. The over spending stopped for the 49ers when we had no talent left. It took us yrs to get it straightened out. YEARS. And that is exactly what pigs like flacco has done. Same in Detroit, ATL, Dallas, plus the other usual culprits. They got their money and ruined their teams. The minute they leave football they will be forgotten. Kap? I think he thinks the big picture, and knows he needs that team around him. Aldon, not so sure. But Kap is the guy we gotta have.

As for Brian's list of 13 guys who will be gone in a yr or two, I would remove Boldin, Iupati, and Miller from that list.. They will stay on.
And we respect that stance! But, I still have yet to receive an answer to the question i've have asked over and over agian in this thread! No one seems to want to see the other side of it. What if he's not interested in being paid below market value? What plan do the people who share your stance suggest the 49ers do? Are you guys prepared to lose Kap if it truely comes down to it?
Originally posted by bALLSOhARD:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
D-NOTTE, you and I see two different guys. Kap wants to win, to excel, to be the best QB of all time(that would take some doing). So rather than take $120 mil from the Titans or Miami, Raiders, Cleveland, jets, etc, I truly believe he will stay here where cap sense is revered and Kap is smart enough to see what pigs like Flacco end up with....a big fat contract and 16 games/season, never any more playoffs, because his team can't afford that. Guys taking these big numbers are interested in one thing...being the biggest pig at the trough. I put Kap in the category of wanting to win more than anything. Hell, he will get endorsements out the kazoo, as he plays longer and better. You really think a guy whose jersey is #1 seller country wide would demand another 3 or 4 mil/yr just to be the biggest pig? Not me. I think Kap understands that you cannot be the best if 20% of the cap goes to one guy...him. He needs Vernon, Boldin, Vance, patton, moore, maybe Baldwin around him, and he needs AD, Goodwin/Kilgore, etc, staley, and Iupati to protect him. I believe Kap is looking at long term, and becoming "the best". He has a great team, but he can't have some of those guys if he pigs all the dough.

And D-NOTTE, I am not picking on you, because Brian was the instigator of this. It all boils down to keeping cap under control, good F.O, and good drafts, few trades, and balanced paychecks. I don't know if you or Brian were around when we had one of the highest payrolls and krapt for talent....and it lasted some 10 yrs, 2000 to 2010. It took that long to get back to even on cap. And once we got out of cap hell, neither Jed, trent, nor Jim wanted any part of that again. They saw how it took a franchise, handcuffed it , and ruined it for 10 long yrs.

You read back on ABs posts over the yrs, and you will note that he has remained steady....don't spend more than you can afford....and if you do....you will look like the US govt....spend, spend, spend....never once balancing the checkbook. The over spending stopped for the 49ers when we had no talent left. It took us yrs to get it straightened out. YEARS. And that is exactly what pigs like flacco has done. Same in Detroit, ATL, Dallas, plus the other usual culprits. They got their money and ruined their teams. The minute they leave football they will be forgotten. Kap? I think he thinks the big picture, and knows he needs that team around him. Aldon, not so sure. But Kap is the guy we gotta have.

As for Brian's list of 13 guys who will be gone in a yr or two, I would remove Boldin, Iupati, and Miller from that list.. They will stay on.
And we respect that stance! But, I still have yet to receive an answer to the question i've have asked over and over agian in this thread! No one seems to want to see the other side of it. What if he's not interested in being paid below market value? What plan do the people who share your stance suggest the 49ers do? Are you guys prepared to lose Kap if it truely comes down to it?

We'll trade him to the Chiefs for multiple first rounders . Or the Raiders.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
We'll trade him to the Chiefs for multiple first rounders . Or the Raiders.

lol!!!! Do this last week and make 'em throw in Pryor!
[ Edited by bALLSOhARD on Sep 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM ]
bALLSo, I guess we just stay tuned and see what happens....or we could go the Lifelong route.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
D-NOTTE, you and I see two different guys. Kap wants to win, to excel, to be the best QB of all time(that would take some doing). So rather than take $120 mil from the Titans or Miami, Raiders, Cleveland, jets, etc, I truly believe he will stay here where cap sense is revered and Kap is smart enough to see what pigs like Flacco end up with....a big fat contract and 16 games/season, never any more playoffs, because his team can't afford that. Guys taking these big numbers are interested in one thing...being the biggest pig at the trough. I put Kap in the category of wanting to win more than anything. Hell, he will get endorsements out the kazoo, as he plays longer and better. You really think a guy whose jersey is #1 seller country wide would demand another 3 or 4 mil/yr just to be the biggest pig? Not me. I think Kap understands that you cannot be the best if 20% of the cap goes to one guy...him. He needs Vernon, Boldin, Vance, patton, moore, maybe Baldwin around him, and he needs AD, Goodwin/Kilgore, etc, staley, and Iupati to protect him. I believe Kap is looking at long term, and becoming "the best". He has a great team, but he can't have some of those guys if he pigs all the dough.

And D-NOTTE, I am not picking on you, because Brian was the instigator of this. It all boils down to keeping cap under control, good F.O, and good drafts, few trades, and balanced paychecks. I don't know if you or Brian were around when we had one of the highest payrolls and krapt for talent....and it lasted some 10 yrs, 2000 to 2010. It took that long to get back to even on cap. And once we got out of cap hell, neither Jed, trent, nor Jim wanted any part of that again. They saw how it took a franchise, handcuffed it , and ruined it for 10 long yrs.

You read back on ABs posts over the yrs, and you will note that he has remained steady....don't spend more than you can afford....and if you do....you will look like the US govt....spend, spend, spend....never once balancing the checkbook. The over spending stopped for the 49ers when we had no talent left. It took us yrs to get it straightened out. YEARS. And that is exactly what pigs like flacco has done. Same in Detroit, ATL, Dallas, plus the other usual culprits. They got their money and ruined their teams. The minute they leave football they will be forgotten. Kap? I think he thinks the big picture, and knows he needs that team around him. Aldon, not so sure. But Kap is the guy we gotta have.

As for Brian's list of 13 guys who will be gone in a yr or two, I would remove Boldin, Iupati, and Miller from that list.. They will stay on.

Let me play the contrarian. Kaepernick might be thinking I need a big contract because I got payed squat for the first three seasons, potentially the first four seasons.

Also the cap is 120 million, so 20 million a year is 17% not 20%.

If you think Kaepernick is going to take a salary 4 million below market value, then please pass over whatever you are smoking. I will gladly eat my words if I am wrong, and will be happy, but his agent will not accept less money per year than Romo.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Brooks, Rogers and Gore add up to about 20 mil.
We might have to wait another year to sign Aldon. With a flat cap, Crabs and Iupati are both gone.
Maybe Lee, Dawson, Ray Mac, and VD. Would we save money if we cut VD? That would probably add up to another 20 million for those four.

Can't see VD going anywhere until maybe after the 2014 season. Then, the dead money would only be about 2 mil. We cut him loose after this season, and we are talking 6.2 dead money hit.

RayMac is another guy that (contract-wise) I can't see departing till after the 2014 season. Andy Lee's contract is actually lower and fine in the 2014 and 2015 seasons. Can't see it as wise to cut him loose till at least 2016. Dawson's only on a 1 yr deal.

I think Crabtree and Iupati are goners, if they want top dollar. Frankly, I don't think we will need them that badly. Would be nice.. but hey, gotta sacrifice somewhere.


I am not an expert on the salary cap, but I know enough that if the cap is going to remain flat, then we basically have NO money. So people can talk about who stays, who goes, this and that and the other thing, but the bottom line is, we have no money.

I feel strongly about this issue because I don't want to see the "York is cheap" threads appear again.

To avoid the "York is cheap" talk, I am trying to get across the idea that we are going to lose good players. There is simply no way around it. We can talk about them taking pay cuts and then signing for cheap, but IMO, all that talk does, it make us feel better right now, only to unleash a storm later on, where the fans talk about "York is cheap", "Baalke sucks". As if they can somehow raise the salary cap.

We WILL lose good football players. The sooner the fan base gets that idea in their head, the easier it will be when it happens. If fans cannot except this, then when it happens, half of the fans are going to erroneously blame Baalke and York, saying things like, "They didn't 'make it happen'" "They didn't work hard enough", and other pointless diatribe. This is the reason I feel strong about getting this point across.

If what AB outlined actually takes place, then I will be the happier than anyone else, but God forbid we are setting ourselves up for a Trent Baalke and Jed York witch hunt if it doesn't in fact occur that way in a few years.
If we win the super bowl this year or the next it will be VERY hard to restructure a lot of those guys. For some reason GM's like overpaying for mediocre role players in a super bowl team. I think most of AB's plan is realistic, but there will be losses (Gore, Dorsey, Ham). I really hope we win the super bowl this year so we can send Frank out on top. If Frank has been smart with his money I think he would retire if we won the super bowl this year.
Originally posted by D-NOTTE:
I'm sorry but ANYONE who think Kap is signing for less than 100MM is a fool. Have you guys been paying attention to this guy. I love having Kap as a QB he will be the face of the NFL. He's made it all but clear hes gonna do what he wants no matter how it makes people feel. So if we dont pony up he will be gone. PERIOD.

And anyone who thinks Baalke is gonna structure a deal like Flacco's or Ryan's deals are idiots. Those are cap killers. We cant afford a 100M QB right away. 7M in cap room, and you expect us to sign Kap to a 20M a yr deal. 1st off Rogers only saves like $6M, Brooks and Gore aren't heading anywhere, and even if, Aldon needs an extension. And he will get 11-12M a yr most likely. And then draft picks need to be signed.

What I usually do for projections, is go for most relaistic deals, plus add on cap room used for previous years draft classes. Cause those add up. If we have a 1st, 2 2nds, and 3 3rds, that is a lot of money to use up for 2014. Even if we end up like 2013, a 1st, 2 2nds, and 1 3rd, that's still a good amount.

The cap is FLAT. Wont be going up intil 2016 at earliest. Again, no disrespect to anyone, I know the CBA and Cap more than anyone else. I understand Ozzie Newsome is a hell of a GM, but he was forced to sign Flacco to that deal. Ask OverTheCap's Jason Fitzgerald, it was a bad deal. His 2016-2019 numbers will need to be restructured, and that just adds more money into the future. Pittsburgh does it every year. Big Ben gets a big signing bonus, and raises his cap figure each year in the future. Dallas had to sign Romo, his deal would of voided after league year, meaning they couldnt tag him. I havent looked deep into his structure. But Dallas also doesnt have a good cap management group.

NYJ were in cap hell. Sanchez's deal was stupid. Oakland finally got out of cap hell. New Orleans is killing with the Brees deal. They are scratching for cap room. Should we give Kap 20M or more a yr, just because he is the next great QB, and crush our cap, and have no cap room to sign weapons. You really wanna sacrafice Vernon, Boldin, Manningham, Crabs, Gore, etc... just to give in to Kap. I wouldnt.
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Originally posted by D-NOTTE:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by Gore_21:
AB, don't make the new members cry. Just kidding guys, I can see why some think it might be to early to discuss extending Dorsey, Skuta and Manningham. We will see how they do and a lot of your plan is hoping guys will restructure and lower their salary which we have gotten many guys to do but there is no guarantee guys will do it. With Manningham I think he might be the best out of the bunch with Moore and Williams but depends on how he comes back from injury and if we can count on him. If we can't then probably have to move on. I would probably only re-sign him to a 1 year, maybe 2 for cheap if we he comes back and does well.

As for Kap though, I wold agree will be closer to 90 million than 120. I think he will give us a discount; will depend on how he does this year but still think he wants to win and won't want to take up all our cap like Flacco. Really, I think it's nothing but the agent and the player's egos getting in the way when you think about the difference between 90 and 120 million. If you can't live off 90 million in your life something is wrong with you. It's kind of a well he got this much (even if overpaid) then we should get this much. Like AB said the teams like the Broncos, Ravens, Packers and Saints who are paying their QB 20 or so million a year don't have as much to spend on the rest of their team and they suffer because of it. You look at those teams and they have holes all over the place because they can't sign or re-sign other players. Means you have to draft extra well to fill in those gaps with dirt cheap rookies until their rookie contract is up and then you can't afford to pay them and have to start all over with another rookie. Anyways, Kaepernick and his parents have lived in the area for the last how many decades.. he's been a 49ers (and Packers when he came from Wisc) his whole life, he wants to be here and he wants to win. I just don't see him being greedy. He should give us a nice deal to leave money for the rest of the guys we need to re-sign.

Aldon on the other hand just not sure about. I think he wants to win but not sure if he wants to win like Kap and he might want more than 60 million. I think he has a 2015 option so maybe we start with Iupati who we are working on already... then after the season Kap and Miller/Hunter/Kilgore (if center of the future) who should be easy to take care of. Culliver might be a little harder; he's good but I think he's the type that thinks they are better than they are. I could see Aldon coming later and Crabtree maybe not at all. Possibly a franchise tag in 2015 but I know we don't want to do that because it eats a lot of money.

lol. Not trying to. I agree with the 90 then 120m, maybe 95m is better. But those teams you mentioned are hurting for money and will be for a while. And we cant do that, we are better than that, plus Baalke and Marathe are ninja's lol. They will get them signed, not worried, just hate seeing the money being given out, wish I could get just 1m or 250k. I am stuck making 733 a month, for personal reasons(Depression, OCD) on SSI.


I'm sorry but ANYONE who think Kap is signing for less than 100MM is a fool. Have you guys been paying attention to this guy. I love having Kap as a QB he will be the face of the NFL. He's made it all but clear hes gonna do what he wants no matter how it makes people feel. So if we dont pony up he will be gone. PERIOD.

Kaepernick is gonna get paid no doubt about that, but I don't think $100 mil. If anything, I think somewhere around 8 years $85 mil, I'm not guessing signing bonus though. I think that's a fair contract, well pending injury "knock on wood".
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