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My Mock Outlook to 2014 and 2015 Cap Wise

Originally posted by Gore_21:
We definitely would look to restructure guys before cutting them. We have for the past few years. I could see them wanting Lee to restructure maybe 1-3 years down the road. He got what he deserved but still is making a lot. Baldwin I don't know if we have any leverage, he doesnt seem like the type who would be willing to take a paycut to stay here. I see him spending most of the year on inactive then we have him hit the jugs next year, have him work and improve and see what he has next pre-season and see if he makes it. Brooks probably won't get cut next year. To me not worth 4.5 in dead money to save 3. Then for 2015 we would save 5.35 and have 3 in dead money so it's a possibility if Lemonier is doing well but again we much prefer to restructure then cut. It saves a lot of money. If Brooks hasn't restructured I could see him gone before 2016... 7.35 savings and only 1.5 dead money seems like that would be the time if he is still with us.

Also, AB... if Rogers wouldn't agree to take a pay cut after this season and we couldn't trade him and we cut him we would save 5.105 mil and have 2.989 in dead money. My question being we could designate him as a June 1st cut and be able to split that 2.989 in dead money over 2 years right? We could split it however we wanted or is it a straight down the middle 1.5 each year?

I didn't know that Brooks had so much dead money on his contract over the next two years. To be honest I would prefer keeping Brooks next year. 4.5 in dead money to save 3mil doesn't seem near as good as just having him on squad. If Lemonier can turn into a pure pass rusher that would be a very potent rotation. I would cut him in 2015 for sure though.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
http://www.ninercaphell.com/MockFuture.xls

And in black and white.

What I did.

All in 2014

Extended Kap - 6yr $90M extension on top of his last year ($20M signing bonus)
Released Rogers
Extended and reduced Gore
Extended and reduced Vernon Davis
Extended Aldon - 5yr/$60M deal ($12M signing bonus)
Extended and reduced Ray McDonald
Tendered RFA Cox -$1.5M
Tendered EFA Wilhoite -$570K
Re-Signed Boldin - 2yr $10M deal($6M bonus)
Re-Signed Manningham - 3yr $8.275M ($3M bonus, $259K Roster, and $100K workout yearly bonuses)
Re-Signed Dawson - 2yr $3M

2014 Salaries:

# Name Pos. Signed 2014 Salary
76 Davis, Anthony RT 2019 $7,532,266
53 Bowman, NaVorro ILB 2018 $7,050,000
99 Smith, Aldon OLB 2014 $6,976,727
52 Willis, Patrick ILB 2016 $6,909,875
94 Smith, Justin DE 2015 $6,736,666
55 Brooks, Ahmad OLB 2017 $6,500,000
7 Kaepernick, Colin QB 2020 $5,630,457
15 Crabtree, Michael WR 2014 $4,770,443
85 Davis, Vernon TE 2018 $4,285,916
81 Boldin, Anquan WR 2015 $4,000,000
90 Dorsey, Glenn NT/DE 2014 $3,792,500
74 Staley, Joe LT 2017 $3,400,000
77 Iupati, Mike LG 2014 $3,255,863
91 McDonald, Ray DE 2019 $3,126,714
21 Gore, Frank RB 2016 $3,070,000
4 Lee, Andy P 2018 $2,400,000
82 Manningham, Mario WR 2016 $2,075,000
9 Dawson, Phil PK 2015 $2,000,000
35 Reid, Eric FS 2016 $1,927,444
43 Dahl, Craig FS/SS 2015 $1,883,333
75 Boone, Alex RG 2015 $1,740,000
51 Skuta, Dan OLB/ILB 2014 $1,650,000
27 Spillman, C.J. FS/SS 2014 $1,558,333
20 Cox, Perrish CB 2014 $1,500,000
93 Williams, Ian NT 2015 $1,408,333
84 Baldwin, Jon WR 2014 $1,377,765
68 Snyder, Adam RG/RT 2014 $1,300,000
95 Carradine, Tank DE 2016 $1,124,473
23 James, LaMichael RB 2015 $904,968
41 Ventrone, Raymond FS 2014 $855,000
89 McDonald, Vance TE 2016 $817,995
29 Culliver, Chris CB 2014 $794,719
32 Hunter, Kendall RB 2014 $754,805
67 Kilgore, Daniel C 2014 $685,075
78 Looney, Joe LG/C 2015 $676,250
49 Miller, Bruce FB 2014 $660,614
96 Lemonier, Corey OLB 2016 $630,880
11 Patton, Quinton WR 2016 $592,875
88 Celek, Garrett TE 2014 $572,000
38 Lattimore, Marcus RB 2016 $570,146
57 Wilhoite, Michael ILB 2014 $570,000
71 Dial, Quinton DE 2016 $540,413
58 Fleming, Darius ILB/OLB 2015 $536,000
54 Moody, Nick ILB 2016 $521,918
5 Daniels, B.J. QB 2016 $506,628
64 Marquardt, Luke OT 2015 $496,666
47 McDermott, Kevin LS 2015 $496,666
63 Jerod-Eddie, Tony DE 2014 $495,000
56 Stupar, Nate ILB 2014 $495,000
13 Harper, Chris TE 2015 $495,000
44 Debniak, Alex FB 2015 $421,666
98 Okoye, Lawrence DE 2015 $421,000
Carswell, Brandon WR 2014 $420,000

Total and Dead $118,800,885
Total $113,913,392
2014 Cap $124,000,000
Cap Space $5,199,115
Dead Money $4,887,493

Dead Money

Lowell Rose $5,334
A.J. Jenkins $1,745,000
Carlos Rogers $2,989,062
Ricardo Lockette $5,000
D.J. Harper $2,000
Trenton Robinson $55,250
Carter Bykowski $34,422
Marcus Cooper $34,422
Darryl Morris $5,334
Patrick Omameh $2,000
Chuck Jacobs $667
Michael Purcell $2,000
MarQuies Gray $2,667
Jewell Hampton $1,668
Sherman Carter $2,667

Total $4,887,493


We would still have over $5M to use for the draft class.

In 2015.

Franchise WR Crabtree- $10.5M
Re-Sign Mike Iupati - 5yr extension thru 2019, worth $40.5M ($7.5M bonus, $1M roster bonuses yearly)
Retain Dorsey - 2yr deal, worth $7M ($3M bonus)
Retain Skuta - 2 yr deal worth $3.5M ($1M bonus)
Retain Miller - 4yr deal worth $2M a yr
Retain Hunter - 3yr deal worth $2M a yr
Retain Kilgore - 2yr deal worth $2.725M
Retain Culliver - 5yr deal worth $5M a yr
Ahmad Brooks restructures his deal, lowers base salary from $6M, to $1M.
Patrick Willis redoes and extended, new 5yr deal, thru 2020, reduces $7.605M base to $1.605M

2015 Salaries:

# Name Pos. Signed 2015 Salary
15 Crabtree, Michael WR Franchised $10,500,000
52 Willis, Patrick ILB 2020 $4,550,875
85 Davis, Vernon TE 2018 $8,780,916
55 Brooks, Ahmad OLB 2017 $5,016,666
53 Bowman, NaVorro ILB 2018 $7,750,000
7 Kaepernick, Colin QB 2020 $7,500,000
76 Davis, Anthony RT 2019 $6,716,670
91 McDonald, Ray DE 2019 $6,501,714
94 Smith, Justin DE 2015 $6,236,668
81 Boldin, Anquan WR 2015 $6,000,000
74 Staley, Joe LT 2017 $5,200,000
21 Gore, Frank RB 2016 $3,715,000
77 Iupati, Mike LG 2019 $3,380,000
82 Manningham, Mario WR 2016 $2,850,000
4 Lee, Andy P 2018 $2,550,000
90 Dorsey, Glenn NT/DE 2017 $2,500,000
35 Reid, Eric FS 2016 $2,312,933
9 Dawson, Phil PK 2016 $2,000,000
75 Boone, Alex RG 2015 $1,990,000
43 Dahl, Craig FS/SS 2015 $1,933,334
51 Skuta, Dan OLB/ILB 2017 $1,500,000
93 Williams, Ian NT 2015 $1,458,334
95 Carradine, Tank DE 2016 $1,349,367
23 James, LaMichael RB 2015 $1,055,827
89 McDonald, Vance TE 2016 $1,031,594
78 Looney, Joe LG/C 2015 $772,250
96 Lemonier, Corey OLB 2016 $720,880
11 Patton, Quinton WR 2016 $682,875
38 Lattimore, Marcus RB 2016 $660,146
71 Dial, Quinton DE 2016 $630,413
58 Fleming, Darius ILB/OLB 2015 $626,000
54 Moody, Nick ILB 2016 $611,918
5 Daniels, B.J. QB 2016 $596,628
64 Marquardt, Luke OT 2015 $586,668
47 McDermott, Kevin LS 2015 $586,668
13 Harper, Chris TE 2015 $585,000
44 Debniak, Alex FB 2015 $511,668
67 Kilgore, Daniel C 2016 $1,250,000
49 Miller, Bruce FB 2018 $1,750,000
32 Hunter, Kendall RB 2017 $1,583,333
29 Culliver, Chris CB 2019 $2,350,000
98 Okoye, Lawrence DE 2015 $511,000

Total $119,395,345
Dead $0
Total and Dead $119,395,345
2015 Cap $125,000,000
Cap Space $5,604,655

We would still have $5.6M to get rooks on board.

I did this to show how it is possible to keep everyone around. The only option now, is to get 2014 picks for 2015 signed, we would either need to decide between the extension I did for Iupati, or tag Crabs.

And for 2016 salaries.

# Name Pos. Signed 2016 Salary
7 Kaepernick, Colin QB 2020 $11,500,000
52 Willis, Patrick ILB 2016 $9,466,125
53 Bowman, NaVorro ILB 2018 $8,900,000
55 Brooks, Ahmad OLB 2017 $8,850,000
85 Davis, Vernon TE 2018 $6,363,000
74 Staley, Joe LT 2017 $6,100,000
76 Davis, Anthony RT 2019 $5,150,000
90 Dorsey, Glenn NT/DE 2017 $4,500,000
91 McDonald, Ray DE 2019 $4,419,984
77 Iupati, Mike LG 2019 $4,350,000
21 Gore, Frank RB 2016 $4,215,000
29 Culliver, Chris CB 2019 $3,850,000
82 Manningham, Mario WR 2016 $3,350,000
4 Lee, Andy P 2018 $3,333,000
35 Reid, Eric FS 2016 $2,698,422
49 Miller, Bruce FB 2018 $2,500,000
32 Hunter, Kendall RB 2017 $2,333,333
51 Skuta, Dan OLB/ILB 2017 $2,000,000
95 Carradine, Tank DE 2016 $1,624,262
67 Kilgore, Daniel C 2016 $1,500,000
89 McDonald, Vance TE 2016 $1,195,193
96 Lemonier, Corey OLB 2016 $810,880
11 Patton, Quinton WR 2016 $772,875
38 Lattimore, Marcus RB 2016 $750,146
71 Dial, Quinton DE 2016 $720,413
54 Moody, Nick ILB 2016 $701,918
5 Daniels, B.J. QB 2016 $686,628

Total $102,641,179
Dead $0
Total and Dead $102,641,179
2016 Cap $130,000,000
Cap Space $27,358,821

With the recent developments this season, do you think it's possible that we can resign Kaep to a contract similar to the extension Aaron Rodgers got in 2008? Especially consider how we all (myself included) may have underestimated his need for Michael Crabtree. I'm not so sure we can just let that guy walk anymore. Crabs got his catches with an aging Randy Moss next to him and a seldom used Vernon Davis.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
With the recent developments this season, do you think it's possible that we can resign Kaep to a contract similar to the extension Aaron Rodgers got in 2008? Especially consider how we all (myself included) may have underestimated his need for Michael Crabtree. I'm not so sure we can just let that guy walk anymore. Crabs got his catches with an aging Randy Moss next to him and a seldom used Vernon Davis.

I think it's very possible he gets a Rodgers deal back from 08. I would go either 4yr 65M, or 6yr 90-95M, no more.

Aldon wise, I think his depends on his rehab, and how well he gets over those demons.

Crabs wise, I would throw a certain amount, I wouldn't overpay. Maiocco's latest article says he wants 11-12M a yr. Now that's a lot for a WR. 5yr deal would be around 55M-60M, and even more on a 6yr deal. I think he wants more than Wallace got. I would NOT go that far, and I doubt we would.
Working on a contract value piece, either whole as one, or per player.

Here is Kap.

Top Contracts(Current amounts)

QB Colin Kaepernick

Between $15M and $18M (Guarantees of $25M to $35M)

Top Contracts:

Rodgers - $110M($22M APY, $54M Guarantee) - Signed thru 2019
Ryan - $103.75M($20.75M APY, $42M Guarantee) - Signed thry 2018
Brees - $100M($20M APY, $40M Guarantee) - Signed thru 2016
Romo - $108M($18M APY, $40M Guarantee) - Sgned thru 2019
Stafford - $53M($17,666,667M APY, $41.5M Guarantee) - Signed thru 2017
Rivers - $91.8M($15.3M APY, $38.15M Guarantee) - Signed thru 2015
Schaub- $62M($15.5M APY, $29.15M Guarantee) - Signed thry 2016
Big Ben - $87,986,500M($14,664,417M APY, $33.2M guarantee) - Signed thry 2015]

Edit $15-$18M is APY.
Price keeps dropping for Kap and Aldon to me. For you guys thinking we would give Kap 120 million look what happened to the Ravens. It just handicaps the team and you can't fill in the other holes as well as you would like. Really what the h is the difference between 90 and 120 million. Yeah I get it 30 mil but 90 is more than enough. I'm not sure I give Kap even 90. Right now he's playing like a 60-70 mil QB tops and that's being generous. I'm definitely waiting until late next year before I officially sign him; can negotiate ealier. I want to make sure he plays well this year and next. As for Aldon let's make sure he comes back with his head right. If not do you really want to give him 70-80 mil? Also, depends on how well Lemonier does. Would give us a little leverage. Not saying Lemonier is going to be Aldon but if Lemonier plays well enough maybe you think about getting a few firsts for Aldon or a 1st and 2nd/3rd and letting him go after 2015 or 2016 after tagging him. If we use that 2015 option we can tag him 2 years after that so we could have him through 2017 without giving him a deal. We will see but let's start with getting his head right before we fork over the big bucks.

I think after this season we should look into Hunter and Miller as they would be a little cheaper. Then towards the end of the year I work on Culliver if he is playing well and comes back healthy. Also, Kilgore towards the end of the year if he plays well at C next year (if he is the c of the future). Try to get those 4 locked up before 2015 FA. Crabtree I'd see how he does the rest of this year and into next year before working on him. Iupati we started talks with; I wonder what he wants? Again, Kap towards the middle of the 2014 season I start... Aldon if we have a 2015 option I don't worry about him until mid way through the 2015 season.

So to make that easier: Now: Iupati | After This Year: Miller, Hunter, 2013 FAs | Into 2014 Season (If Healthy/Playing Well): Kilgore, Culliver, Kap, Crabtree | Into 2015 Season: Aldon (If He Has 2015 Option, Otherwise Into 2014 Season Start, Tag for 2015 is Possible)

Edit: Kilgore if you wanted to could do after this year because at worst he is a good 6 or 7th OL. Maybe we get him cheaper than if he starts at center and plays well then we sign him. Signing him before the season at backup OL money then having him start could make him a bargain if he becomes the starting C. Just not sure his agent would go for it but I don't think Kilgore cares much. He's a good ole country boy; I doubt he lives high off the hog. Seems like a down to Earth kind of guy.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Sep 29, 2013 at 3:56 PM ]
After the crap that Kap and Aldon have been through this year, these extensions are looking a lot more reasonable.
http://ninercaphell.com/2013/09/29/colin-kaepernick-contract-value-for-extension/
I'm not sure Rio and Dahl are going to worth the money you have with them.
Originally posted by ninergold:
I'm not sure Rio and Dahl are going to worth the money you have with them.

Yeah, Dahl we gave too much to. Nice to have a vet who can back up both safety spots, play ST and help teach the young guys but not sure if we paid him like he might start or what. 1.8x mil next year... If we cut him we'd save 1.4 mil with a 466k hit. Seems like it's possible he restructures or gets cut. Although, if we go with a rookie SS might be a good idea to have someone like him backing that player up just in case. Also, could use another guy to help teach the SS like Whitner did with Reid. Reid hopefully can help the rookie SS but isn't exactly a vet. Not sure Spillman can teach too much; he's mainly played FS I believe.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Sep 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM ]
Originally posted by ninergold:
I'm not sure Rio and Dahl are going to worth the money you have with them.

A lot depends on Mario coming back strong, if not, he is gone. Dahl I can see cut like Gore_21 said. But his numbers aren't high IMO.
Looking at some of the numbers for these QBs from your website (AB81Rules), I wonder are these GMs thinking about the longterm financial health of their teams.

I have no idea what the cap will be in 2019, but I can't fathom committing 10-20% of your payroll to one player.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Looking at some of the numbers for these QBs from your website (AB81Rules), I wonder are these GMs thinking about the longterm financial health of their teams.

I have no idea what the cap will be in 2019, but I can't fathom committing 10-20% of your payroll to one player.

It can be a cap killer. by 2019, lets hope it's near 180M, cause if it's flat, teams are screwed.
Originally posted by ads_2006:
starters wont reduce their contract

mcdonald is not colt mccoy

Sounds good but it wont happen. V Davis,P.Willis,McDonald,Brooks all reducing there contracts?? Maybe the only 1 i could see is P.Willis
Saw your write up on Kaps potential numbers Jason. Right now I wouldn't pay him a dime over 15 and honestly 10-12 seems more reasonable now. If his play picks up obviously the numbers can change but I would give him "Alex" money if we needed a deal done today.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Saw your write up on Kaps potential numbers Jason. Right now I wouldn't pay him a dime over 15 and honestly 10-12 seems more reasonable now. If his play picks up obviously the numbers can change but I would give him "Alex" money if we needed a deal done today.

Alex money won't cut it and there are way too many teams that will give him much more