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What Is Baalke's Preoccupation With 7th Round Draft Choices?

  • KK49
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Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
The draft is Harbaalke's b***h.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/9/2/4686542/49ers-draft-picks-2014-draft-ninja-trent-baalke-looking-at-13-draft

He is having way too much fun with this..
I guess some don't see if the FO doesn't see a player as a long term fit or basically a seat warmer (pretty much can be cut anytime) they can get SOMETHING out of them rather than absolutely nothing when they cut him. I look at some of the later round players they have and make up a good core of good players (Bowman, McDonald, Boone, Bruce Miller GORE,) and then look at some of the High picks in the past/present that are/were wastes of space (AJ, etc) one of the better players they've had the last few years was Delanie walker and he was a 6th round "project" Miller a "project" and so far I've liked what I've seen from BJ Daniels as a "Project"
same with Patton just cause they are low draft choices doesn't mean they are "bad" just not workout warriors, or perfect in scouts eyes
Baalke's preoccupation is to get as many chances to hit it big in the draft as he can. So he tries to get a many chips as he can to give him so room to maneuver in the draft as possible. Cam Johnson was not going to get into many, if any games. An opportunity came to trade a him for another pick - a conditional pick. In this case it gave him room to get another WR/TE/Hback on the team in an area that he felt that was of greater need than what Johnson offered. Whether that is true or not is up to the reader but in Baalke's mind that was the case and in Baalke's case since he is the GM, and we are not, he took the opportunity and did not consult with us. Now we will get to see how Cam works for Indiannapolis and how Harper works for us. We will either approve in the end or disapprove in the end.
Originally posted by NCommand:
The Haralson move made sense...he gets to start, we dump his salary and we get a 7th, albeit a late 7th basically is nothing for an established starting vet. But Cam doesnt when you factor in his ST production and his ability to pass rush at our premier position. Now, if Cam flames out and then we trade that 7th for a great, but older productive veteran starter for us, I will gladly eat crow! But no, it will NOT be packaged for a better pick. LOL. We could have easily cut the 5th ILB or Ventrone instead.

The only ST production and pass rush you saw was in the 4th preseason game against 3rd and 4th stringers. Sorry, but that doesn't exactly count. Cam did little to nothing last year in preseason, regular season and postseason (2 tackles in preseason). Cam could develop into a productive NFL player, but a premier pass rusher? I think not.

You are right that the Niners could cut their 5th ILB or Ventrone, and they probably will when guys like Carradine and Dial get healthy.
  • A-R-S
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We are going to trade out 4 7th round picks to the Chiefs for their first round pick. Isn't it obvious?
The draft used to be 12 rounds, now it is only 7 rounds. Once you get past round 4, it is actually more beneficial for players to be UDFA's because they will get a signing bonus and they can select what team they want to play for. For example if a team needs OL help, they would select that team because the probability would be better than playuing for a team where they could be cut.

The 7th round always has players who have talent. The niners can guarantee themselve a good player that they might not get as an UDFA.

Now the niners obviously would want more for Haralson and Johnson, however teams knew they would cut them anyways, and other teams would snag them on the waiver wire with worse records, so the 7th round pick guarantees they get their player.
Wanting to get something for someone they were going to let go. Plus have no dead money if was owed anything, however cheap it might have been. 7th Rounders Very Low to Zero Risk, possible high reward.
Pretty much a No Brainer but some people have trouble "getting" it.
  • Buchy
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Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Right now we are expected to have at least 13 picks again, possible more, barring any other trades. If the Chiefs win 8 games, our draft pick allotment likely would look like (at the very worst)

1.
2.
2. (From Chiefs)
3.
3. (From Titans)
4.
4. (Goldson, bare minimum I'd expect for losing him)
5.
6.
7.
7. (From Panthers)
7. (From Saints)
7. (From Colts)

Looks pretty good, doesn't it?

We're going to package them all and select Clowney and then dominate on defense for 10 years!
The roster is full. We are a good team now. You can only keep 53.

Pretty simple.
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by NCommand:
The Haralson move made sense...he gets to start, we dump his salary and we get a 7th, albeit a late 7th basically is nothing for an established starting vet. But Cam doesnt when you factor in his ST production and his ability to pass rush at our premier position. Now, if Cam flames out and then we trade that 7th for a great, but older productive veteran starter for us, I will gladly eat crow! But no, it will NOT be packaged for a better pick. LOL. We could have easily cut the 5th ILB or Ventrone instead.

The only ST production and pass rush you saw was in the 4th preseason game against 3rd and 4th stringers. Sorry, but that doesn't exactly count. Cam did little to nothing last year in preseason, regular season and postseason (2 tackles in preseason). Cam could develop into a productive NFL player, but a premier pass rusher? I think not.

You are right that the Niners could cut their 5th ILB or Ventrone, and they probably will when guys like Carradine and Dial get healthy.

That's actually not correct. He didn't have a great 1st game and then played 3 really good games racking up 5 sacks, including a 4th down sack preserving the win, had a number of QB pressures, played on the coverage unit well and blocked a kick for a TD. If you can find a late 7th that produces more in his only opportunities next year (b/c Cam was on I.R. last year), I will gladly eat crow! If nothing else he is a good ST (we suck in this department) and you continue to develop him one more year and he then takes over for Skuta next year. You get rid of a Ventrone or Stupar (who would go to your PS anyhow). Hopefully it all ends up a moot point though!
Originally posted by A-R-S:
We are going to trade out 4 7th round picks to the Chiefs for their first round pick. Isn't it obvious?

everytime andy reid gets a call from Harbaugh, he automatically pulls his pants down and bends over just as a reflex
In an age of pre cap, the niners would not let these guys walk. However, with the cap, you have to have your core player. Harrelson was not going to see the field as a starter and Corey is in his first year, showed lots of petential. So they got something for PH and got some cap relief, who would have been let go. Cam, lets not get carried away, he was injured last year and had a breakout game in the last preseason game games against the scrubs, niners need versatility from those who are not the starters or core players. Skuta had a better camp and can play all lb positions. The only reason he made the 53 (Cam) was so that the niners would have time to work out a trade. He probably would have been replaced if they couldn't. Just cause you make the 53 man doesn't mean you were that good, it is what number of the 53 after the final pre, because every year this happens with a lot of teams, if you see something you like from another team, you pick him up. Another man's junk might turn into another teams treasure. Like Dwight Hicks

The only thing I don't like was trading PH to a playoff rival like the Saints, the colts are okay.

Plus we will have lots of FA next year, so having these late picks allows us to do things like picking up a Colt or Boldin, move up in the draft of even shoot fish in the barrel where you know you will hit on something compared to having to actually tossing a fishing line in the water. You also take players that you like that may have gone to another team as an UFA becaue they either offered more money or the player likes his chances better on another team than the niners.

The other thing is
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Right now we are expected to have at least 13 picks again, possible more, barring any other trades. If the Chiefs win 8 games, our draft pick allotment likely would look like (at the very worst)

1.
2.
2. (From Chiefs)
3.
3. (From Titans)
4.
4. (Goldson, bare minimum I'd expect for losing him)
5.
6.
7.
7. (From Panthers)
7. (From Saints)
7. (From Colts)

Looks pretty good, doesn't it?

We're going to package them all and select Clowney and then dominate on defense for 10 years!

i wish =/ just as long as clowney isnt in our division, im cool
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Right now we are expected to have at least 13 picks again, possible more, barring any other trades. If the Chiefs win 8 games, our draft pick allotment likely would look like (at the very worst)

1.
2.
2. (From Chiefs)
3.
3. (From Titans)
4.
4. (Goldson, bare minimum I'd expect for losing him)
5.
6.
7.
7. (From Panthers)
7. (From Saints)
7. (From Colts)

Looks pretty good, doesn't it?

We're going to package them all and select Clowney and then dominate on defense for 10 years!

i wish =/ just as long as clowney isnt in our division, im cool


he'll be facing off against alex smith twice a year is my guess
I think there is a much better chance we trade down and get picks for 2015 than there is of trading them all for Clowney. Not worth trading that entire draft for one player. Who knows could turn the 3rds into 2nds in 2015... 2nds and another pick for 2015 first. As for the 7ths expect us to do what we did and use them to move up 3-5 spots in rounds to MAKE sure we get the player we want.