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What Is Baalke's Preoccupation With 7th Round Draft Choices?

Good move, we get a pick which is another gambling chip to use, parlay or whatever.

Cam wasn't going to get much playing time and probably would be cut w/Lemonier's star rising fast.

So, we end up at least getting something.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We are using the picks in 2014 for draft day positioning and or to pick up a developmental prospect like BJ Daniels

That makes sense but taking BJ for example. Why spend the time developing him to dump him for another 7th for instance? If we get better value I'm all for it, if its a lateral move

I would guess it a similar reason they picked up Tolzien. The idea is to develop the player while he serves a particular purpose on the team. Then if his improvement hasn't warrant his roster spot, then either trade him or out right release. It's a chance to take on a potential.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Sep 2, 2013 at 12:02 PM ]
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by 49erfanatic:
We seem to trade a lot of productive or high potential players for future 7th round draft choices. I don't understand it. In a stacked roster like ours, why do you want to collect a bunch of 7th round choices who don't have much chance of making the team next year, and give away players who are already playing above their draft round? Cam Johnson is the latest example. He was injured last year, and didn't show much, but he is obviously developing, and shows a lot of promise at this point. Even Vic Fangio said he is light years ahead of where he was last year. In my opinion, you can never have enough pass rushers, and I think he will be a good one. They thought enough of him to keep him on their original 53, but now you are banking on finding another player next year in the 7th who will be better than Cam Johnson. I think there is a low probability of that happening. The only reason Cam was a 7th in the first place was that teams worried about his sickle cell anemia issue. Otherwise, he would have been drafted much higher. He has proven that endurance is not a problem for him, so his value should have gone up. And he's only going to count as minimum salary on the cap. Not like Harylson, who was being paid more. In my opinion, if a guy is playing above his draft round, you don't trade him for a lower choice. But I've noticed this is a trend with our team. In this case. we dumped Johnson for Chris Harper, who at this point, is more unproven than Johnson, and some of the other receivers that we cut.

They were going to be cut and he'd rather get a 7th than nothing.

You'r overvaluing our trash. Stop it.

//thread
Originally posted by Afrikan:
since you are a poster and not a real life GM I wouldn't expect you to understand.... but it's pretty simple and obvious, it's to trade up and have an opportunity to get high picks (who obviously would be better players) like say




1 (30) - A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
2 (61) -LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
4 (117) - Joe Looney, OG, Wake Forest
5 (165) - Darius Fleming, OLB, Notre Dame
6 (180) - Trent Robinson, FS, Michigan State

Originally posted by VA49erFaithful:
Stacking picks to move up for clowney?

If this is some grand master scheme/plan to position us to move way up in the 2014 Draft, I'll be impressed, but I'll believe that when I see it.
The draft is Harbaalke's b***h.
can we draft a real gm?
[ Edited by pdizo916 on Sep 2, 2013 at 12:29 PM ]
There are some serious Webzone dudes vying for the GM position right now.
The Haralson move made sense...he gets to start, we dump his salary and we get a 7th, albeit a late 7th basically is nothing for an established starting vet. But Cam doesnt when you factor in his ST production and his ability to pass rush at our premier position. Now, if Cam flames out and then we trade that 7th for a great, but older productive veteran starter for us, I will gladly eat crow! But no, it will NOT be packaged for a better pick. LOL. We could have easily cut the 5th ILB or Ventrone instead.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 2, 2013 at 12:48 PM ]
Originally posted by 49erfanatic:
We seem to trade a lot of productive or high potential players for future 7th round draft choices. I don't understand it. In a stacked roster like ours, why do you want to collect a bunch of 7th round choices who don't have much chance of making the team next year, and give away players who are already playing above their draft round? Cam Johnson is the latest example. He was injured last year, and didn't show much, but he is obviously developing, and shows a lot of promise at this point. Even Vic Fangio said he is light years ahead of where he was last year. In my opinion, you can never have enough pass rushers, and I think he will be a good one. They thought enough of him to keep him on their original 53, but now you are banking on finding another player next year in the 7th who will be better than Cam Johnson. I think there is a low probability of that happening. The only reason Cam was a 7th in the first place was that teams worried about his sickle cell anemia issue. Otherwise, he would have been drafted much higher. He has proven that endurance is not a problem for him, so his value should have gone up. And he's only going to count as minimum salary on the cap. Not like Harylson, who was being paid more. In my opinion, if a guy is playing above his draft round, you don't trade him for a lower choice. But I've noticed this is a trend with our team. In this case. we dumped Johnson for Chris Harper, who at this point, is more unproven than Johnson, and some of the other receivers that we cut.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We are using the picks in 2014 for draft day positioning and or to pick up a developmental prospect like BJ Daniels

B does pretty well with late round picks and udfa's. look at how many are on the final 53 around the league. Better to draft these guys with the potential to be a Daniels, than hope that a ufda will sign with us.
Right now we are expected to have at least 13 picks again, possible more, barring any other trades. If the Chiefs win 8 games, our draft pick allotment likely would look like (at the very worst)

1.
2.
2. (From Chiefs)
3.
3. (From Titans)
4.
4. (Goldson, bare minimum I'd expect for losing him)
5.
6.
7.
7. (From Panthers)
7. (From Saints)
7. (From Colts)
Oops
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Sep 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM ]
Originally posted by SD49ers:
Originally posted by 49erfanatic:
We seem to trade a lot of productive or high potential players for future 7th round draft choices. I don't understand it. In a stacked roster like ours, why do you want to collect a bunch of 7th round choices who don't have much chance of making the team next year, and give away players who are already playing above their draft round? Cam Johnson is the latest example. He was injured last year, and didn't show much, but he is obviously developing, and shows a lot of promise at this point. Even Vic Fangio said he is light years ahead of where he was last year. In my opinion, you can never have enough pass rushers, and I think he will be a good one. They thought enough of him to keep him on their original 53, but now you are banking on finding another player next year in the 7th who will be better than Cam Johnson. I think there is a low probability of that happening. The only reason Cam was a 7th in the first place was that teams worried about his sickle cell anemia issue. Otherwise, he would have been drafted much higher. He has proven that endurance is not a problem for him, so his value should have gone up. And he's only going to count as minimum salary on the cap. Not like Harylson, who was being paid more. In my opinion, if a guy is playing above his draft round, you don't trade him for a lower choice. But I've noticed this is a trend with our team. In this case. we dumped Johnson for Chris Harper, who at this point, is more unproven than Johnson, and some of the other receivers that we cut.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We are using the picks in 2014 for draft day positioning and or to pick up a developmental prospect like BJ Daniels

B does pretty well with late round picks and udfa's. look at how many are on the final 53 around the league. Better to draft these guys with the potential to be a Daniels, than hope that a ufda will sign with us.

True. We could draft and develop a guy like Cam for a year and when healthy and producing we can trade him for a late 7th again...oh wait. Are we a farm club now? Kidding!
I think his philosophy is that the draft is somewhat of a crapshoot. There are inevitably only going to be busts; the only way to overcome thought is to acquire as many players that your team has graded well as possible.

You're right -- many of these late-round picks will not make the team out of training camp. But by bringing in more, you're increasing competition and getting extended looks at some of these players.

It's like buying more tickets for the lottery -- it's not sure thing, but you are increasing your chances, and if you hit it big, you'll reap the benefits.

Not to mention, some of these late-round picks come in valuable on draft day; how many times do you see a team move up 5-10 slots in the 3rd/4th round by packaging their own 3rd/4th round pick + a 6th/7th?
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Right now we are expected to have at least 13 picks again, possible more, barring any other trades. If the Chiefs win 8 games, our draft pick allotment likely would look like (at the very worst)

1.
2.
2. (From Chiefs)
3.
3. (From Titans)
4.
4. (Goldson, bare minimum I'd expect for losing him)
5.
6.
7.
7. (From Panthers)
7. (From Saints)
7. (From Colts)

Looks pretty good, doesn't it?