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WR: When Crabtree and Manningham eventually come back.

Yea I think Moore will be cut when these guys come back. Not sure bout who else will go. I think both guys come back this year but won't be fully healthy til next year.
Originally posted by verb1der:
Man AP is a superhuman! And I think MM's injury is more severe, like he tore like every ligament. Correct me if I'm wrong doe.

I think he tore 2 but there may have been other damage. His injury is more like rg3s than ap's. I kind of agree with the other guys, he may not make it back this year.
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea I think Moore will be cut when these guys come back. Not sure bout who else will go. I think both guys come back this year but won't be fully healthy til next year.
many did not think he would make it until camp, he earned the right to play first team, many thought he still would get cut but he keeps fighting and all he does is catch balls. unlike others we have had around here,, he seized the moment and i do not think he will give it up . I also think there is no guarantee the two guys come back 100 per cent, if they come back at all. i will go a step further and i will say that , in my opinion, I think some of the kids who are going to play now will play so well, it will make the niners decide they can get along without crabtree down the road
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't think Crabs or Manningham come back this year. Just a feeling I have. Especially, Manningham - he really tore that knee up.

If they would have kept six receivers, I'd be more inclined to agree, but the fact that they kept only five tells me that they expect at least one of them to return.

What the heck kind of drugs are they giving these guys to get them back on the field so quickly? I know the surgeries are much less invasive but still! AP had to take some powerful "healing" meds!
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Adrian Peterson returned just fine. Science and technology and knee reconstruction has progressed a lot. It's not where it was at 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago. Guys have a better chance of returning now. It's why I think there is some hope for Marcus Lattimore.

This is what I think a lot of fans forget. Time marches on. Sports medicine has evolved in leaps and bounds and it's easy to understand why - billionaires are investing millions in these professional athletes. They're willing to put whatever resources they can into advancing sports medicine. It's big business.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
This is what I think a lot of fans forget. Time marches on. Sports medicine has evolved in leaps and bounds and it's easy to understand why - billionaires are investing millions in these professional athletes. They're willing to put whatever resources they can into advancing sports medicine. It's big business.

Agreed, they probably rehab harder now too. Plus the athletes are in better shape then ever so I think that allows them to heal faster. Also, I think they said the younger you are the faster you heal which I would believe.

Side note look at the tools they have now days. A lot of these guys use Hyperbaric chambers to help heal the body and help recover after practices or games. You guys seen the picture of Crabtree on the treadmill the other day, you think they had that type of device back in the day? I would guess no. Someone posted it in the Crabtree thread but for those that didn't see it I think they said iit lifts him with air so that he doesn't have to put too much weight on his legs. Shows Kobe, Lebron and Santonio Holmes using it too. Also, think water training has become popular and probably not something they did back in the day. Allows you to work your muscles while putting less stress on your knees and lower body.

[ Edited by Gore_21 on Sep 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We have 5 for now. But we have 2 waiting in the wings who are experienced veterans. One in Crabtree is of very high NFL value. Manningham is at least a good player with NFL experience. So there is no way we are keeping 7. Something will have to give. Which thinking about it now kind of makes sense for Lavelle Hawkins already being cut. He would be 8 with all the guys coming back eventually. We just can't keep all these WR's. You must factor in the 2 coming back. Hawkins would have been cut anyway real soon when Manningham or Crabtree come back. So in a sense I don't think we lose anything there by cutting Hawkins.

So right now it is this. There is no way you can say many players on this list are better than Manningham or Crabtree. Boldin sure. Patton may be better than Manningham eventually but my guess would be the veteran experienced guy gets the nod to begin with when he is healthy. If you add Manningham and Crabtree when they get healthy you are sitting at 7. There is just no way they carry that many. Maybe I could see 6 and cut form somewhere else on the roster. But you may have to cut 2 of this or at the very least 1 plus one from somewhere else on the roster.

~ Anquan Boldin - Absolutely no way he gets cut.

~ Quinton Patton - No way he gets cut.

~ Kyle Williams - Do we carry 6 in which case he stays? Do we want only 5 in which case he can really be on the bubble? Do we cut from somewhere else on the roster?

~ Marlon Moore - Really big cut potential. He had a nice preseason and people like this guy but come on. You can't tell me he is better than an experienced Crabtree or Manningham in a crowded WR corps. He's pretty likely gone when 1 or both of those guys come back.

~ Jon Baldwin - A worthless WR who looks the part but will always break your heart with drops. Much slower than his timed speed in game speed. Doesn't create much separation. But he is a former 1st round pick. He has a high salary. He has a substantial cap hit if we do cut him. He could be a potential red zone specialist because of his size, strength and height. He will probably drop them anyway but that doesn't mean the coaching staff won't see him as a red zone target. I just can't see him being cut. Do we keep 6? He's more likely to stay. Is it 5? I guess it's conceivable he could be cut but I really doubt it.

The odd guy out is definitely Marlon Moore. There is nobody else. It's by default.

In a way, this is a good problem to be dealing with, it seems that it is extremely competitive at this position. The way that I look at it is what is the performance like from all of these players at that point in the season. If by chance, Patton so happen to have something like 600-700 yards receiving by the midpoint of the season, I would say that he keeps that starting position. If Manningham comes back completely healthy by that time, maybe make him the 3rd WR, keep Patten at #2, and Boldin #1, although boldin and patten might end up switching on occasion (I hope patten turns out to be this good). Crabtree, my gut tells me that he will not play this year, if he is not ready by the end of the regular season, I would place him on IR, Baldwin-I so agree with the notion of allowing for him to watch, perhaps not the entire year, but if he could watch for the first 6 weeks and start picking things up and becoming a dangerous target in the red zone, that would be golden. Moore, I don't know how the practice squad system works, but would he be a candidate to be on the practice squad? My keepers (without starting the season) would be Boldin, Patten, Manningham (if healthy), Baldwin (as an experiment and not necessarily the 4th slot as Moore did ok in preseason), Moore, Crabtree (if he is healthy enough and can be a threat in the playoffs, but I don't think he will be ready for the playoffs-but things always can change). My out list would be Williams for logistical and the team going in a different direction, just gut feeling.
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Boldin, Manninham, Williams, Moore are all FA's after this season. Crabtree is signed through 2014. Leaves Crabtree, Patton and Baldwin as only ones under contract after this year.

While we are on that subject CB's full of FA's as well:
Brown, Asomugha, Brock, Wright, Cox (restricted I believe) are all FA's. Means only Culliver and Rogers are under contract for 2014. Well that's if Rogers takes a paycut. Not sure we keep him around if he doesn't.

And yeah it will be very hard making the decisions on who to keep and let go. Will not only be on who played the best but who offers the best value. Wish we could keep them all but we will probably lose most of the guys in order to help us save up for the 2015 FAs.

I do think if Boldin does well early they'll find a way to extend him for at least another season. That way, for next season you have Boldin, Crabtree, Patton, Baldwin and possibly an earlier round rookie.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no way Marlon Moore is as good as Mario Manningham (if healthy). And he probably can come back from that injury if he rehabs long enough.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that for sure. Moore played with crap for QB in Miami, Manningham played with Eli earlier in his career, you've got zero evidence that shows that Moore can't be as productive, if not more productive than Manningham.


Like I said, Manningham is decent, but he's not a gamebreaking WR by any stretch, quality NFL #3 WR.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A healthy Manningham is better than Moore and more experienced. I think pretty much every NFL team would agree. He was a pretty good player for the Giants and for us. He has a proven track record and production over time.

Exactly why they tried sohard to re-sign him. Oh wait, no they didn't.



It seems like you're highly overrating Manningham here and it seems, highly underrating Moore.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Sep 1, 2013 at 3:29 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Adrian Peterson returned just fine. Science and technology and knee reconstruction has progressed a lot. It's not where it was at 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago. Guys have a better chance of returning now. It's why I think there is some hope for Marcus Lattimore.

See Steve Smith, Manningham's teammate with the Giants, had a huge 1200 yard season with the Giants, suffered a severe injury and fell off the map, he's retired now. Injuries are unpredictable, especially the severity of the injury that Manningham suffered from.



EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Steve Smith, the former Giants Pro Bowl wide receiver, announced his retirement yesterday. Smith's catch-and-run for a 12-yard gain gave the Giants a critical first down just prior to Manning's game-winning touchdown pass to Plaxico Burress in Super Bowl XLII. In 2009, Smith caught a franchise-record 107 passes and became the first Giants receiver to play in the Pro Bowl since Homer Jones in 1968. Smith suffered a knee injury in a victory over the Minnesota Vikings in Detroit on Dec. 13, 2010. He underwent surgery and after the lockout the following year, signed with Philadelphia
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Sep 1, 2013 at 3:28 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Boldin, Manninham, Williams, Moore are all FA's after this season. Crabtree is signed through 2014. Leaves Crabtree, Patton and Baldwin as only ones under contract after this year.

While we are on that subject CB's full of FA's as well:
Brown, Asomugha, Brock, Wright, Cox (restricted I believe) are all FA's. Means only Culliver and Rogers are under contract for 2014. Well that's if Rogers takes a paycut. Not sure we keep him around if he doesn't.

And yeah it will be very hard making the decisions on who to keep and let go. Will not only be on who played the best but who offers the best value. Wish we could keep them all but we will probably lose most of the guys in order to help us save up for the 2015 FAs.

I do think if Boldin does well early they'll find a way to extend him for at least another season. That way, for next season you have Boldin, Crabtree, Patton, Baldwin and possibly an earlier round rookie.

I'd I would like to see him back another year but depends on how much he wants and how much we can afford. Not sure we can give another 6 million to him although he will probably deserve it. If you put aside money as of right now I re-sign Boldin for another year, leave Baldwin on the roster (get him on jugs machine, see how he does next offseason/preseason), then I probably choose between Williams, Manningham and Moore. Don't want all 3 of those guys. At most 2 guys back, preferably 0 or 1. Whoever is the best value. I like Manningham but if he isn't healthy and can't be reliable I don't want him. As I said before with Williams unless he breaks out and comes back for cheap I don't want him. A lot of guys in the league can get you 15-20 catches and 200-250 yards.

I see it as being:
Crabtree, Boldin, Patton, Moore, Baldwin, high pick rookie or Crabtree, Boldin, Patton, Baldwin/Moore, high pick rookie. If Boldin is gone Crabtree, Patton, Baldwin, Moore, high pick rookie. Gets to be a lot of option but basically like I said I'd re-sign Boldin if cheap enough. Choose 0 or 1 between Williams, Moore and Manningham... give Baldwin a shot and if he doesn't play well in the pre-season probably cut him..... also, keep in mind Crabtree is a FA after 2014 so we might need to pick a rookie high in the draft (1-3rd round) to replace him some what. Too confusing right now to get into. We will see how all the guys do this year and then decide who to re-sign.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
I dont think Crabs comes back this season, and if we are smart we dont rush him back.

Manningham when healthy takes the #6 WR spot and someone else from another position gets dropped.

yea but what if playoffs come around and we are making a serious push to the SB and need him and also considering that he might not be a 49er for very long. Crabtree has really matured too and I think he became a big leader on the team last season and he would want to be out there asap

I think we would put him in. Sugg's injury was about the same time in the offseason as crabtree and he came back before playoffs and did pretty good and his health held up.
You guys are just being flat out rediculous at this point..... What a bunch of Marlon Moore jock riders.


Marlon Moore - Career stats.

12 catches, 244 yards, Long 57, 2 TD's.


Mario Manningham - Career stats.

202 catches, 2,764 yards, Long 92, 19 TD's.


Just stop, just stop. You are making yourselves look rediculous....
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
What the heck kind of drugs are they giving these guys to get them back on the field so quickly? I know the surgeries are much less invasive but still! AP had to take some powerful "healing" meds!

HGH bro