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WR: When Crabtree and Manningham eventually come back.

All of a sudden we have a plethora of WRs! I think all these guys will ball out with Kaep!! Would not be surprised if we end up not needing to rush MC and MM back
First of all, there's no rule that says you have to drop a WR to bring in a WR. Secondly, it depends on how guys are playing. If Moore and Baldwin have been productive, they're not going to drop them. Moore especially, has looked real good to me. I could see him lighting things up. And Baldwin has that size everyone's looking for so if he turns out to be more dependable than people think, he'll fit in. I think Williams is on the bubble if he doesn't produce as a receiver, because by that time James will have returned and he can catch punts.
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I don't think Crabs or Manningham come back this year. Just a feeling I have. Especially, Manningham - he really tore that knee up.
Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't think Crabs or Manningham come back this year. Just a feeling I have. Especially, Manningham - he really tore that knee up.

If they would have kept six receivers, I'd be more inclined to agree, but the fact that they kept only five tells me that they expect at least one of them to return.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We have 5 for now. But we have 2 waiting in the wings who are experienced veterans. One in Crabtree is of very high NFL value. Manningham is at least a good player with NFL experience. So there is no way we are keeping 7. Something will have to give. Which thinking about it now kind of makes sense for Lavelle Hawkins already being cut. He would be 8 with all the guys coming back eventually. We just can't keep all these WR's. You must factor in the 2 coming back. Hawkins would have been cut anyway real soon when Manningham or Crabtree come back. So in a sense I don't think we lose anything there by cutting Hawkins.

So right now it is this. There is no way you can say many players on this list are better than Manningham or Crabtree. Boldin sure. Patton may be better than Manningham eventually but my guess would be the veteran experienced guy gets the nod to begin with when he is healthy. If you add Manningham and Crabtree when they get healthy you are sitting at 7. There is just no way they carry that many. Maybe I could see 6 and cut form somewhere else on the roster. But you may have to cut 2 of this or at the very least 1 plus one from somewhere else on the roster.

~ Anquan Boldin - Absolutely no way he gets cut.

~ Quinton Patton - No way he gets cut.

~ Kyle Williams - Do we carry 6 in which case he stays? Do we want only 5 in which case he can really be on the bubble? Do we cut from somewhere else on the roster?

~ Marlon Moore - Really big cut potential. He had a nice preseason and people like this guy but come on. You can't tell me he is better than an experienced Crabtree or Manningham in a crowded WR corps. He's pretty likely gone when 1 or both of those guys come back.

~ Jon Baldwin - A worthless WR who looks the part but will always break your heart with drops. Much slower than his timed speed in game speed. Doesn't create much separation. But he is a former 1st round pick. He has a high salary. He has a substantial cap hit if we do cut him. He could be a potential red zone specialist because of his size, strength and height. He will probably drop them anyway but that doesn't mean the coaching staff won't see him as a red zone target. I just can't see him being cut. Do we keep 6? He's more likely to stay. Is it 5? I guess it's conceivable he could be cut but I really doubt it.

The odd guy out is definitely Marlon Moore. There is nobody else. It's by default.

That of course depends on how Moore is playing. If he's playing well, I don't see how you can cut him. The team is not anymore attached to Manningham than they are to Moore, both have their contracts expiring at the end of the season. I see too many making the assumption that its a foregone conclusion that when Manningham comes back, he'll be one of the 4 best WR's on this roster, ignoring that his knee was absolutely wrecked and that while certainly a nice talent, he's far from irreplaceable, he's a quality #3 guy on a good team, if Patton and Moore are balling out, Manningham would essentially become redundant.

There is no way Marlon Moore is as good as Mario Manningham (if healthy). And he probably can come back from that injury if he rehabs long enough.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
If we cut Kyle Williams, who handles punt return duties?

James, Cox, and Patton.
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no way Marlon Moore is as good as Mario Manningham (if healthy). And he probably can come back from that injury if he rehabs long enough.

just keep counting moore out bud kind of like how some keep trying to count kyle out and he keeps coming back
Originally posted by redrathman:
Someone will be hurt.

It seems like every year that is the case and if 1 does get hurt that by default may solve the problem in a different way. Not the way you want to solve it. But it would make one on IR. So you wouldn't have to choose.
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Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't think Crabs or Manningham come back this year. Just a feeling I have. Especially, Manningham - he really tore that knee up.

people should not pooh pooh mayos theory. people just assume these guys will be back sometime. i am not in that group
Originally posted by GNielsen:
First of all, there's no rule that says you have to drop a WR to bring in a WR. Secondly, it depends on how guys are playing. If Moore and Baldwin have been productive, they're not going to drop them. Moore especially, has looked real good to me. I could see him lighting things up. And Baldwin has that size everyone's looking for so if he turns out to be more dependable than people think, he'll fit in. I think Williams is on the bubble if he doesn't produce as a receiver, because by that time James will have returned and he can catch punts.

You don't have to drop a WR for a WR. But they aren't going to keep 7. No way. That would be a rediculous amount of WR's. 6 and cut 1 from somewhere else on the roster I could see. 7 WR's I can't see. 1 will likely get cut.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't think Crabs or Manningham come back this year. Just a feeling I have. Especially, Manningham - he really tore that knee up.

people should not pooh pooh mayos theory. people just assume these guys will be back sometime. i am not in that group

It's possible they will not come back this year. In which case that solves our problem in a bad way. But it does solve it on who to keep.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no way Marlon Moore is as good as Mario Manningham (if healthy). And he probably can come back from that injury if he rehabs long enough.

just keep counting moore out bud kind of like how some keep trying to count kyle out and he keeps coming back

A healthy Manningham is better than Moore and more experienced. I think pretty much every NFL team would agree. He was a pretty good player for the Giants and for us. He has a proven track record and production over time.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no way Marlon Moore is as good as Mario Manningham (if healthy). And he probably can come back from that injury if he rehabs long enough.

just keep counting moore out bud kind of like how some keep trying to count kyle out and he keeps coming back

A healthy Manningham is better than Moore and more experienced. I think pretty much every NFL team would agree. He was a pretty good player for the Giants and for us. He has a proven track record and production over time.

Regardless of what he's done in the past, no one even knows if MM can return to form after an injury like that. He's got a long road of proving himself to be worthy of starting again. IMO, his career is over until proven otherwise.
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no way Marlon Moore is as good as Mario Manningham (if healthy). And he probably can come back from that injury if he rehabs long enough.

just keep counting moore out bud kind of like how some keep trying to count kyle out and he keeps coming back

A healthy Manningham is better than Moore and more experienced. I think pretty much every NFL team would agree. He was a pretty good player for the Giants and for us. He has a proven track record and production over time.

Regardless of what he's done in the past, no one even knows if MM can return to form after an injury like that. He's got a long road of proving himself to be worthy of starting again. IMO, his career is over until proven otherwise.

Adrian Peterson returned just fine. Science and technology and knee reconstruction has progressed a lot. It's not where it was at 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago. Guys have a better chance of returning now. It's why I think there is some hope for Marcus Lattimore.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no way Marlon Moore is as good as Mario Manningham (if healthy). And he probably can come back from that injury if he rehabs long enough.

just keep counting moore out bud kind of like how some keep trying to count kyle out and he keeps coming back

A healthy Manningham is better than Moore and more experienced. I think pretty much every NFL team would agree. He was a pretty good player for the Giants and for us. He has a proven track record and production over time.

Regardless of what he's done in the past, no one even knows if MM can return to form after an injury like that. He's got a long road of proving himself to be worthy of starting again. IMO, his career is over until proven otherwise.

Adrian Peterson returned just fine. Science and technology and knee reconstruction has progressed a lot. It's not where it was at 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago. Guys have a better chance of returning now. It's why I think there is some hope for Marcus Lattimore.

Man AP is a superhuman! And I think MM's injury is more severe, like he tore like every ligament. Correct me if I'm wrong doe.