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WR: When Crabtree and Manningham eventually come back.

We have 5 for now. But we have 2 waiting in the wings who are experienced veterans. One in Crabtree is of very high NFL value. Manningham is at least a good player with NFL experience. So there is no way we are keeping 7. Something will have to give. Which thinking about it now kind of makes sense for Lavelle Hawkins already being cut. He would be 8 with all the guys coming back eventually. We just can't keep all these WR's. You must factor in the 2 coming back. Hawkins would have been cut anyway real soon when Manningham or Crabtree come back. So in a sense I don't think we lose anything there by cutting Hawkins.

So right now it is this. There is no way you can say many players on this list are better than Manningham or Crabtree. Boldin sure. Patton may be better than Manningham eventually but my guess would be the veteran experienced guy gets the nod to begin with when he is healthy. If you add Manningham and Crabtree when they get healthy you are sitting at 7. There is just no way they carry that many. Maybe I could see 6 and cut form somewhere else on the roster. But you may have to cut 2 of this or at the very least 1 plus one from somewhere else on the roster.

~ Anquan Boldin - Absolutely no way he gets cut.

~ Quinton Patton - No way he gets cut.

~ Kyle Williams - Do we carry 6 in which case he stays? Do we want only 5 in which case he can really be on the bubble? Do we cut from somewhere else on the roster?

~ Marlon Moore - Really big cut potential. He had a nice preseason and people like this guy but come on. You can't tell me he is better than an experienced Crabtree or Manningham in a crowded WR corps. He's pretty likely gone when 1 or both of those guys come back.

~ Jon Baldwin - A worthless WR who looks the part but will always break your heart with drops. Much slower than his timed speed in game speed. Doesn't create much separation. But he is a former 1st round pick. He has a high salary. He has a substantial cap hit if we do cut him. He could be a potential red zone specialist because of his size, strength and height. He will probably drop them anyway but that doesn't mean the coaching staff won't see him as a red zone target. I just can't see him being cut. Do we keep 6? He's more likely to stay. Is it 5? I guess it's conceivable he could be cut but I really doubt it.

The odd guy out is definitely Marlon Moore. There is nobody else. It's by default.
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Sep 1, 2013 at 2:25 AM ]
I think when Manningham comes back we keep 6 WRs and Baldwin becomes inactive. No point in cutting him, think we give him time this offseason to get better and work on the jugs machine. He's signed through next year. So we keep 6 and cut a player from another position. Then when Crabtree comes back we likely aren't keeping 7 wrs so someone will "go to ir" for the season or for all we know someone gets hurt and we don't have to make the decision. I think we cut whoever is doing the worst outside Baldwin. Moore, Williams, Manningham seem like the likely candidates. All 3 are free agents after this year so whoever is doing the worst by week 13, 14, 15 (whenever crabtree is back) why not cut them since they will only be with us for a few more games and playoffs? Leaves one less guy to sign.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Sep 1, 2013 at 3:39 AM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We have 5 for now. But we have 2 waiting in the wings who are experienced veterans. One in Crabtree is of very high NFL value. Manningham is at least a good player with NFL experience. So there is no way we are keeping 7. Something will have to give. Which thinking about it now kind of makes sense for Lavelle Hawkins already being cut. He would be 8 with all the guys coming back eventually. We just can't keep all these WR's. You must factor in the 2 coming back. Hawkins would have been cut anyway real soon when Manningham or Crabtree come back. So in a sense I don't think we lose anything there by cutting Hawkins.

So right now it is this. There is no way you can say many players on this list are better than Manningham or Crabtree. Boldin sure. Patton may be better than Manningham eventually but my guess would be the veteran experienced guy gets the nod to begin with when he is healthy. If you add Manningham and Crabtree when they get healthy you are sitting at 7. There is just no way they carry that many. Maybe I could see 6 and cut form somewhere else on the roster. But you may have to cut 2 of this or at the very least 1 plus one from somewhere else on the roster.

~ Anquan Boldin - Absolutely no way he gets cut.

~ Quinton Patton - No way he gets cut.

~ Kyle Williams - Do we carry 6 in which case he stays? Do we want only 5 in which case he can really be on the bubble? Do we cut from somewhere else on the roster?

~ Marlon Moore - Really big cut potential. He had a nice preseason and people like this guy but come on. You can't tell me he is better than an experienced Crabtree or Manningham in a crowded WR corps. He's pretty likely gone when 1 or both of those guys come back.

~ Jon Baldwin - A worthless WR who looks the part but will always break your heart with drops. Much slower than his timed speed in game speed. Doesn't create much separation. But he is a former 1st round pick. He has a high salary. He has a substantial cap hit if we do cut him. He could be a potential red zone specialist because of his size, strength and height. He will probably drop them anyway but that doesn't mean the coaching staff won't see him as a red zone target. I just can't see him being cut. Do we keep 6? He's more likely to stay. Is it 5? I guess it's conceivable he could be cut but I really doubt it.

The odd guy out is definitely Marlon Moore. There is nobody else. It's by default.

That of course depends on how Moore is playing. If he's playing well, I don't see how you can cut him. The team is not anymore attached to Manningham than they are to Moore, both have their contracts expiring at the end of the season. I see too many making the assumption that its a foregone conclusion that when Manningham comes back, he'll be one of the 4 best WR's on this roster, ignoring that his knee was absolutely wrecked and that while certainly a nice talent, he's far from irreplaceable, he's a quality #3 guy on a good team, if Patton and Moore are balling out, Manningham would essentially become redundant.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
That of course depends on how Moore is playing. If he's playing well, I don't see how you can cut him. The team is not anymore attached to Manningham than they are to Moore, both have their contracts expiring at the end of the season. I see too many making the assumption that its a foregone conclusion that when Manningham comes back, he'll be one of the 4 best WR's on this roster, ignoring that his knee was absolutely wrecked and that while certainly a nice talent, he's far from irreplaceable, he's a quality #3 guy on a good team, if Patton and Moore are balling out, Manningham would essentially become redundant.

I believe we would have to eat 1 million of his salary if he would get cut after week 6 otherwise I'd say it's a possibility we cut him if the others are doing well. Still, I'd rather keep him in case and just have someone like Baldwin be inactive (keep 6 wrs). Then once Crabtree comes back I'd cut Manningham, Moore, or Williams whoever is doing the worst. Can't keep 7 and also if we are going to pay Manningham 1 mil I'd rather cut him week 12, 13, 14 whenever Crabtree comes back then cut him week 7. That being said might be nice to have Manningham for the playoffs. Probably win last year's SB if he is healthy. Guy shows up in the playoffs/SB and is reliable. Maybe Williams is the odd man out because I just don't see us cutting Baldwin. I would think we let him hit the jugs machine this offseason and work with some of our coaches and players and see if we can make something out of him. To me if Williams, Moore or Manningham go late in the season it's not a big deal since they are all FAs after the season anyways. They won't be missing too many games.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Sep 1, 2013 at 5:09 AM ]
Nice problem to have. Hasn't been that way in a long time.
If we cut Kyle Williams, who handles punt return duties?
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
If we cut Kyle Williams, who handles punt return duties?

James is #2 for now, Perrish Cox would be #3 I think. KR look like Williams, James, Patton I think but Cox and Hunter can handle them as well. Cox had I think 3 KR and 2 PR tds at Oklahoma State. I wanted him coming out of college. His main problems have always been mental. Hunter had his shot in 2011 at KRs I believe. Was average and didn't show any potential for a long return.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Sep 1, 2013 at 6:39 AM ]
Lol you guys crack me up. Like its WR for WR. It could come from anywhere, and they had a great discussion about it yesterday in the discuss the cuts thread. They went through every scenario for when each person gets healthy.
Someone will be hurt.
We will need to carry 6 WR's, and stash some talent on the practice squad. If Maningham comes back at 100%, and IF Crabtree makes it back before the Superbowl, the team will have tough decisions to make. Boldin, and Crabs are, I believe Free Agents next season, as well as Maningham, so looking at the contracts, ages, and other Free Agents on the team...hurts my head, I would hate to be making this call! LOL
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
We will need to carry 6 WR's, and stash some talent on the practice squad. If Maningham comes back at 100%, and IF Crabtree makes it back before the Superbowl, the team will have tough decisions to make. Boldin, and Crabs are, I believe Free Agents next season, as well as Maningham, so looking at the contracts, ages, and other Free Agents on the team...hurts my head, I would hate to be making this call! LOL

Crabtree is signed through 2014.
Boldin, Manninham, Williams, Moore are all FA's after this season. Crabtree is signed through 2014. Leaves Crabtree, Patton and Baldwin as only ones under contract after this year.

While we are on that subject CB's full of FA's as well:
Brown, Asomugha, Brock, Wright, Cox (restricted I believe) are all FA's. Means only Culliver and Rogers are under contract for 2014. Well that's if Rogers takes a paycut. Not sure we keep him around if he doesn't.

And yeah it will be very hard making the decisions on who to keep and let go. Will not only be on who played the best but who offers the best value. Wish we could keep them all but we will probably lose most of the guys in order to help us save up for the 2015 FAs.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Sep 1, 2013 at 8:45 AM ]
It depends how they have healed and who has stepped up to fill their vacancies.

IMO, I think Crabbs will heal faster because his injury wasn't as bas as Mario's.

I'm thinking Patton is going to really light it up.
I dont think Crabs comes back this season, and if we are smart we dont rush him back.

Manningham when healthy takes the #6 WR spot and someone else from another position gets dropped.
Originally posted by redrathman:
Someone will be hurt after week 2

*fixed (you know it'll happen with those cheap shot artists)
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