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Waived/Injured can revert or settle ... Okoye reverted so he's automatically on 1 year IR ... they do that to protect the players health and career into the future, not the team. It just so happens the 49ers can take advantage of the rule here.

I don't see Celek going anywhere soon. He's the 2nd best blocking TE on the roster and they like to run a lot of 2 and 3 TE formations and Harper is in no way ready.
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Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by xcfan:
i think baalke needs to fix his method for finding o-linemen to develop. it's pretty much a waste of time trying to find developmental o-linemen from big schools in the later rounds. most just don't have the basic talent to make it. you can get small school guys with big talent late in the draft, but you have to be able to determine that the physical talent is there to develop; that's a difficult assignment. baalke would be much better off just picking o-linemen in the top 100. those guys don't have huge hurdles to overcome. better to save the later rounds for receivers, corners, safeties, and running backs. there's a larger pool of athletic talent with these smaller guys, so there's a better chance of development. big-school linemen who fall to the late rounds have big weaknesses than make development much harder--if not impossible. just look at guys like bykowski and omemeh--the raw materials are just not there. but, year-in-and-year-out, we can get db's in the 6th and 7th rds who have the physical tools to develop into players.

Baalke has drafted seven offensive linemen in four drafts.

Of those, five are still on the team and two have been cut.

Three of his offensive line picks have been taken in the late rounds:

6th Jason Slowey G Western Oregon
7th Mike Person T Montana State
7th Carter Bykowski OT Iowa St

It is possible that a 5th round pick could be considered a late round pick. We have taken one offensive lineman in the 5th.

5th Daniel Kilgore G Appalachian State

Depending what you consider late round picks, either 75% or 67% of Baalke late round offensive linemen have been from small schools.

The only offensive linemen picked by Baalke that have been cut are Person and Slowey, both of whom are from small schools.

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Hey, Xcfan.

I have no problem with the assertion that Baalke can be better. Every GM in the league can be better.

But, if we are going to make claims, those claims should have some resemblance to the real world.

In short, the evidence does not seem to support the notion that Baalke wastes energy or time drafting late round picks from big schools.

The draft data available to any person willing to take the time to look at it, strongly suggests that Baalke uses late round picks to draft offensive linemen from small schools, not from big schools.

[ Edited by buck on Sep 2, 2013 at 5:54 PM ]
^^^^ He needs to bite the bullet and pull the trigger on some mid round talent. The throwaway picks at OL aren't getting any decent results. We have a backup unit that is down right bad.
Don't we have one spot left? Is that for Okoye?
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Don't we have one spot left? Is that for Okoye?

IR I think
My only criticism of Baalke during drafts, and it is a very tepid disagreement, is the inability to trade up from the lower picks. That may be impossible but if he could trade a 4th and two 7ths for a 3rd...? You need two teams in order to make a deal like this and I have no evidence that Baalke hasn't tried...so it is a mild disappointment, as mentioned.

Why not take a flier on these late round guys--Kilgore, Dial, Daniels, Miller, Dixon, Williams, RJF, Brown, Haralson, Walker--all 5th or later over the past few years.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Harper signed a 3yr deal with us.
Divens got an injury settlement - he wasn't "retained" via the I.R. label as well, like Okoye?
Okoye is on IR, I dont think he took a settlement.
Our last PS spot is open still.
Stupar may be the guy, if hey add Marecic, which I am doubting now that we have Harper. I can see Celek cut now if Harper works out for us.
Celek and Stupar are the most likely to go.
Guys like Ventrone and Skuta stay, and rightfully so.
We need to make a choice, TJE or Tuk when Dobbs is back, or we cut Stupar or Celek. Hard to keep 4 TEs. Maybe we get a vet Tackle.
What about when Mario is back, and Dial, Tank and Crabs. All will work it self out in the end. Just everything is a mess.

Thanks everyone!

Practics Squad as of today:
RB Jewel Hampton - may get some snaps with James on the shelf for a while
CB Darryl Morris - great keep with real slot potential
WR Chuck Jacobs - decent
LT Carter Bykowski -
RT Patrick Omameh -
NT Mike Purcell - would much rather have Lamar Divens (if that's OK with Brooks)
S Michael Thomas - meh
TE Derek Carrier - don't know much about him
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 3, 2013 at 3:47 PM ]
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Originally posted by buck:
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Hey, Xcfan.

I have no problem with the assertion that Baalke can be better. Every GM in the league can be better.

But, if we are going to make claims, those claims should have some resemblance to the real world.

In short, the evidence does not seem to support the notion that Baalke wastes energy or time drafting late round picks from big schools.

The draft data available to any person willing to take the time to look at it, strongly suggests that Baalke uses late round picks to draft offensive linemen from small schools, not from big schools.


i didn't say baalke only picks late/udfa o-linemen from big schools or small schools. he picks from both. omameh and bykowski from big schools; slowey, person, kilgore from small schools. problem is, imo, none of them look like they can be a starting, winning player or a legit backup, and only kilgore could handle a backup role, but even he's a liability because he lacks strength and has a hard time beating defenders. if he had to start, it would hurt the team.
most 5th, 6th, 7th rd and udfa o-linemen don't have the right stuff--they truly are throw-away picks. if you do find a guy you like, he has to be big and athletic enough to actually play nfl football. every one of these late 49er picks is either not big enough or not athletic enough...or both. the player has to be a diamond in the rough--key word being diamond.
in the end, it's very rare to find a late-draft o-lineman who's legit. better to get linemen before round five; otherwise it's a waste. the only exception is those athletic freaks you find at small schools who should've been at a big school. guys like larry allen (the #1 example), veldheer, and maybe marquardt.
Originally posted by xcfan:
i didn't say baalke only picks late/udfa o-linemen from big schools or small schools. he picks from both. omameh and bykowski from big schools; slowey, person, kilgore from small schools. problem is, imo, none of them look like they can be a starting, winning player or a legit backup, and only kilgore could handle a backup role, but even he's a liability because he lacks strength and has a hard time beating defenders. if he had to start, it would hurt the team.
most 5th, 6th, 7th rd and udfa o-linemen don't have the right stuff--they truly are throw-away picks. if you do find a guy you like, he has to be big and athletic enough to actually play nfl football. every one of these late 49er picks is either not big enough or not athletic enough...or both. the player has to be a diamond in the rough--key word being diamond.
in the end, it's very rare to find a late-draft o-lineman who's legit. better to get linemen before round five; otherwise it's a waste. the only exception is those athletic freaks you find at small schools who should've been at a big school. guys like larry allen (the #1 example), veldheer, and maybe marquardt.

You have any stats to back up your claims or just pulling out the butt?
welcome....

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Originally posted by natrone06:
You have any stats to back up your claims or just pulling out the butt?
look at the draft year after year, and compare it to final rosters year after year. you rarely see late-pick linemen on the field or on rosters for more than a year.
this is the case for most positions, but more so for o-linemen.
i don't keep a spreadsheet documenting this, but it's my view from experience.
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we just signed another delanie-walker type: derrick carrier
Originally posted by xcfan:
Originally posted by buck:
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Hey, Xcfan.

I have no problem with the assertion that Baalke can be better. Every GM in the league can be better.

But, if we are going to make claims, those claims should have some resemblance to the real world.

In short, the evidence does not seem to support the notion that Baalke wastes energy or time drafting late round picks from big schools.

The draft data available to any person willing to take the time to look at it, strongly suggests that Baalke uses late round picks to draft offensive linemen from small schools, not from big schools.


i didn't say baalke only picks late/udfa o-linemen from big schools or small schools. he picks from both. omameh and bykowski from big schools; slowey, person, kilgore from small schools. problem is, imo, none of them look like they can be a starting, winning player or a legit backup, and only kilgore could handle a backup role, but even he's a liability because he lacks strength and has a hard time beating defenders. if he had to start, it would hurt the team.
most 5th, 6th, 7th rd and udfa o-linemen don't have the right stuff--they truly are throw-away picks. if you do find a guy you like, he has to be big and athletic enough to actually play nfl football. every one of these late 49er picks is either not big enough or not athletic enough...or both. the player has to be a diamond in the rough--key word being diamond.
in the end, it's very rare to find a late-draft o-lineman who's legit. better to get linemen before round five; otherwise it's a waste. the only exception is those athletic freaks you find at small schools who should've been at a big school. guys like larry allen (the #1 example), veldheer, and maybe marquardt.
I guess Alex Boone from Ohio St. wouldnt count?
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I guess Alex Boone from Ohio St. wouldnt count?

he doesn't count because he was a top 50 player taken off draft boards because of alcoholism.