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Is the Option/Pistol going to be shredded in the NFL or have sustainability?

  • xcfan
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i don't care what offense you're running, if your QB is getting hit, it's a very bad thing in the long run.
  • LVJay
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Paper and defenses get shredded....

Niners offense gonna stymie opponents!
I think it can and will last longer with the 49ers than with other teams and here's why. Teams with small QBs like Wilson or RGIII will almost have to go away from it for the most part if not entirely to avoid getting those guys killed. Kaep on the other hand has tremendous size and does a good job of getting down and avoiding contact in the open field. The other part of it is how the 49ers run a unique type of option/pistol offense where almost any play in the entire offensive playbook can be run using the pistol formation or any other formation.
I might be wrong but I didn't see Kap receive anything more than a hard shove from Suggs(which he was always ready for)when running the read-option, gore always had a positive gain and if my memory serves me correctly we came back from a large deficit just to get screwed by the refs.
I honestly believe that the Ravens solved the mystery to this in the superbowl. It doesn't matter who takes the ball, as long as you take a shot on the QB, thats all that matters because he knows he HAS to give the ball every time or hes gonna get lit up for a loss. Since the QB is a runner before and after the fake, it is completely legal.
It doesn't matter if there's an unsportsmanlike penalty called for roughing. By the 3rd one the QB will be gone.
The option-pistol is geared to a young quarterback. Brady, Manning or Brees would have nothing to do with it. As a QB matures and becomes successful throwing the ball that system would be phased out with that particular QB. The chance for injury is too great. There will continue to be packages with the system.
Originally posted by Kronos2560:
I honestly believe that the Ravens solved the mystery to this in the superbowl. It doesn't matter who takes the ball, as long as you take a shot on the QB, thats all that matters because he knows he HAS to give the ball every time or hes gonna get lit up for a loss. Since the QB is a runner before and after the fake, it is completely legal.

and that will be completely changed to protect the QB...so to the point of this thread, it will stay
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
The option-pistol is geared to a young quarterback. Brady, Manning or Brees would have nothing to do with it. As a QB matures and becomes successful throwing the ball that system would be phased out with that particular QB. The chance for injury is too great. There will continue to be packages with the system.

Manning and the broncos are incorporating the pistol this year.
Originally posted by Kronos2560:
I honestly believe that the Ravens solved the mystery to this in the superbowl. It doesn't matter who takes the ball, as long as you take a shot on the QB, thats all that matters because he knows he HAS to give the ball every time or hes gonna get lit up for a loss. Since the QB is a runner before and after the fake, it is completely legal.

Once the QB throws up his hands, he can't be touched, that's what they are being trained to do. The Ravens didn't solve s**t, they still got lit the hell up in the 2nd half, if the refs make that pass interference call in the endzone as they should have, we're certainly not talking about how the Ravens "solved" anything.

The idea that people are bringing up was an older strategy where you physically beat the crap out of the QB to get the team to change their scheme, you can't do that anymore, so what's going to happen is that the QB either ends up getting shoved, or the defensive player ends up getting flagged. Enough 15 yard penalties and defenses will have to find a new way to counter the read option.


Look around the league, now and into the future with guys like Bridgewater, Boyd and others coming on next year and its clear that we're entering an unprecedented era of super-athletic quarterbacks. The NFL is going to protect those quarterbacks, guys like Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, RG3, Luck, those are their meal tickets heading into the future, if defenders repeatedly cross the line, you can expect the NFL to drop the hammer even further.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Aug 31, 2013 at 8:45 AM ]
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
The option-pistol is geared to a young quarterback. Brady, Manning or Brees would have nothing to do with it. As a QB matures and becomes successful throwing the ball that system would be phased out with that particular QB. The chance for injury is too great. There will continue to be packages with the system.

What the hell is the option-pistol?

The pistol is a formation, the read option is a play that is run from a variety of formations. The pistol formation is becoming much more widely utilized around the NFL for the simple fact that it makes running the ball easier, the linebackers struggle to maintain direct sight of the RB and the safeties can't hang back deep the way they do in the normal shotgun formation, it creates mismatches. You don't have to be super athletic or overly mobile to play out of the Pistol formation.
Originally posted by PineNut:
Yes, Ault first ran the pistol in 2006 with QB Jeff Rowe. There was no read option. Rowe was a good athlete, but nowhere near the runner Kap was. Still, Rowe looked pretty good running from the newly invented pistol, even without the read option. And he ended up getting drafted to the NFL in round 5 to Cincinnati. But he got cut his second year to Carson Palmer's brother, Jordon.

In Kap's freshman year, there was still no read option. His first ever start was against Boise State who had a solid defense. Still Kap shredded them for 177 yards rushing (2 TDs) and 243 yards passing (3 TDs). Well, the stats were inflated a bit since that game had 4 overtimes (Boise eventually winning 69-67). Still, Kap's rushing was great considering there were no read option plays, plus it was his first start ever as a freshman. So Kap was still a great runner even without the read option, and he wasn't nearly as fast back then as is his now.

So far as injuries go with the pistol formation or read option, all I can say is that every single offensive play in Kap's career at Nevada was from the pistol formation (maybe just a couple of exceptions). And Nevada ran the read option with Kap from his sophomore to senior year. With all of that, Kap only had a serious injury once, and that was in a bowl game in 2008 where he injured his ankle in the first half. He still played the whole game with the injury, though, and was voted co-MVP. Had it not been the last game of the season, I think Kap would of missed some games and he may of had surgery on the ankle too, but I don't recall. Then again, I don't recall if the injury had anything to do with the read option.

Yes, you can say Nevada didn't face strong defenses in the WAC, but they also played strong teams outside the league games. Plus Boise State always had a very strong defense. And Kap held up pretty well and put up incredible rushing yards, especially considering the WAC teams saw him and the pistol every year and knew what to prepare for.
Thanks for the reminder. For the life of me I couldn't remember jeff rowes name.I think if kap ran the read option every down in every game he would get hurt. thats not what we do. Kap is simply not injury prone. some qbs slip on a mat on the sideline and are out for 2 weeks (kolb).The qb we had before kap was injury prone. Between the sacks kap avoids and a few hits he does take from running, its probably a wash. It sure didn't seem to me that he took more hits than the guy he took over for or any other traditional drop back passer for that matter.
Read option is money. We need to add the read option punt. This is the secret weapon Andy Lee was hinting at this week
Originally posted by Kronos2560:
I honestly believe that the Ravens solved the mystery to this in the superbowl. It doesn't matter who takes the ball, as long as you take a shot on the QB, thats all that matters because he knows he HAS to give the ball every time or hes gonna get lit up for a loss. Since the QB is a runner before and after the fake, it is completely legal.

Solved the mystery? They gave up nearly 500 yards of offense to the 9ers, and Kap had a running TD. They didn't solve squat.
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Originally posted by NFLBuddah:
It doesn't matter if there's an unsportsmanlike penalty called for roughing. By the 3rd one the QB will be gone.

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