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49ers Looking To Trade/Release Colt McCoy

No reason, if BJ does a great job, that he can't move up the depth chart during the season.

Cousins first started week 14 ... I'd be fine having this conversation about Daniels over McCoy in 4 months. But TODAY ... I think McCoy gives the 49ers a better chance to win than Daniels does. McCoy will get better for a while then plateau, Daniels should have a much higher ceiling.

Maybe when Crabtree comes back McCoy is the roster spot he takes :)
I go back and forth on McCoy as far as his play goes, but I am really more interested in why he restructured his contract and why the 9er would want him to? The team is way under the cap right now right? Did his contract really make a difference between staying and going? It wasn't like it was a huge number to begin with.
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Originally posted by Scoots:
No reason, if BJ does a great job, that he can't move up the depth chart during the season.

Cousins first started week 14 ... I'd be fine having this conversation about Daniels over McCoy in 4 months. But TODAY ... I think McCoy gives the 49ers a better chance to win than Daniels does. McCoy will get better for a while then plateau, Daniels should have a much higher ceiling.

Maybe when Crabtree comes back McCoy is the roster spot he takes :)

I know that, but you are not suggesting Kap will go down before week 14, are you ? The truth is even if RG3 had gone down earlier, Shanahan still would have played Cousins over Grossman cos he knew Cousins was better than Grossman. Is very simple, Shanahan played his QBs by merit. Quite fair I would say and makes sense.

I am not totally against the idea of giving BJ more time to learn, but just not with McCoy playing instead. If we had a better #2, I might be fine with it. McCoy is just a pick machine. He looks scared out there. May be Harbaugh can do an Alex Smith project job on him to get him up to servicable, getting him to check down on every play and just having Frank to run the ball. But, the question is if that is the plan, why not just play someone with a higher ceiling when at the end of the day you still have to develop McCoy ? Is really just no excuse for a 3-year NFL QB to be totally out-performed by a fresh rookie.
Originally posted by captnkos:
I go back and forth on McCoy as far as his play goes, but I am really more interested in why he restructured his contract and why the 9er would want him to? The team is way under the cap right now right? Did his contract really make a difference between staying and going? It wasn't like it was a huge number to begin with.

Well 1.5 isn't too bad, some backups making as much as 3-3.5 but those guys are competing for starting jobs. Wallace signed for 840k so maybe figured if they get him down easier to trade or easier to justify keeping being closer to Wallace. No we definitely don't need him to restructure we worked the crap out of the cap and have like 6 million. We were at that before signing some of our FA's. Then we restructured Haralson, Manningham then extended Justin to save money.
Originally posted by captnkos:
I go back and forth on McCoy as far as his play goes, but I am really more interested in why he restructured his contract and why the 9er would want him to? The team is way under the cap right now right? Did his contract really make a difference between staying and going? It wasn't like it was a huge number to begin with.

I do not think the Colt McCoy trade episode is over. I think he is still on the market. Dropping his salary frees up cap space, now and later. He obviously wants to stay and learn in SF so kudos to him. But also I think it makes him easier to trade. Consider how poor the Jets are on cap space. I ultimately see him being traded. I think that's why he got an extended look. Either way it is good for him. he can develop with us but he can start somewhere else. I wish we still had Josh Johnson honestly. that's life though. Daniels was a good developmental pick so far. He's all athlete right now though. I don't trust he will operate as well vs. better defensive looks. McCoy on the other hand will likely improve given time with the better wideouts. We shall see.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
I know that, but you are not suggesting Kap will go down before week 14, are you ? The truth is even if RG3 had gone down earlier, Shanahan still would have played Cousins over Grossman cos he knew Cousins was better than Grossman. Is very simple, Shanahan played his QBs by merit. Quite fair I would say and makes sense.

I am not totally against the idea of giving BJ more time to learn, but just not with McCoy playing instead. If we had a better #2, I might be fine with it. McCoy is just a pick machine. He looks scared out there. May be Harbaugh can do an Alex Smith project job on him to get him up to servicable, getting him to check down on every play and just having Frank to run the ball. But, the question is if that is the plan, why not just play someone with a higher ceiling when at the end of the day you still have to develop McCoy ? Is really just no excuse for a 3-year NFL QB to be totally out-performed by a fresh rookie.

I still think keeping an open mind makes sense, don't you.

Wallace has not been cut, has he? Wallace might be better than McCoy, but at this point we really have not seen Wallace play.

If I remember correctly Harbaugh made the quarterbackwhoisnolonger here much better than merely serviceable.
Originally posted by Rascal:
I am not suggesting BJ is going to tear it up per se. What we are essentially talking about here is who is the better QB ? Who can do a better job ? First thing first, taking care of the football is the most basic and key. Well, McCoy can't, is just that simple. Just look at the past 3 games, 1 pick per game. BJ went out there, took care of the football and scored the winning TD. I would argue Wilson is not the lowest draft pick that pulled it off. Wilson is a top talent, that is quite another level. Let's look at Kirk Cousins, a 4th rounder, did a perfect job in the playoffs when Shanahan wouldn't even play Grossman over him as the back-up !! Oh and we do have a great running game to help out BJ too. Not an issue. People need to be a bit more open-minded. Is just like everybody thought the read option was kid's stuff and had no place in pro-football. Sorry, nope, it is a huge part of the NFL now. Don't let tradition limit you, always welcome and be open to new ideas. The truth of the matter is you will never know until you try.

So Colt can't take care of the football because of 3 picks in 3 preseason games ? In 2011, he had 13 starts and threw 11 picks, pretty good in comparison to the rest of the 2011 starting QB's in the league. FWIW Kirk Cousins threw 3 picks in 5 and a half regular season quarters last year. You can't base whether Colt can or cannot take care of the football simply off of 3 preseason games. You can't throw out his previous regular season work in Cleveland either.

I'm not saying Colt should or shouldn't be the backup, but I am saying your logic is coming across as somewhat biased and lacking.
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Tim Kawakami on Daniels. I would say this qualifies as a surprise.


-DANIELS: Very intriguing talent, but there was little chance Harbaugh was going with a late-round rookie as his main back-up to a still relatively inexperienced Kaepernick. There's just too much risk with that for a Super Bowl-starving team that might need a QB for 2 or 3 games–which might be 2 or 3 HUGE games–if Kaepernick gets dinged up at any point.

I don't think the 49ers go with three QBs on the 53-man roster, so I think Daniels will be waived next week and the 49ers will hope to bring him back on the practice squad.

Will another team grab him? Possibly, but they'd have to keep a spot on their final roster for a non-pocket QB that went in the 7th round and spent zero time in camp with any team but the 49ers.

Hard to see a huge demand for that, even by the Seahawks even just to screw around with the 49ers. But we'll see. I don't think the 49ers want to lose Daniels, though they'll probably have to risk it rather than go light at another position–and remember, this is a team going for a Super Bowl, so an extra special-teams LB or TE could be pretty important.



http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/08/26/harbaugh-picks-colt-mccoy-as-the-49ers-back-up-qb-that-was-the-plan-and-hes-sticking-to-it/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kawakami-merc+%28Talking+Points+with+Tim+Kawakami%29
[ Edited by buck on Aug 26, 2013 at 12:30 PM ]
Originally posted by captnkos:
I go back and forth on McCoy as far as his play goes, but I am really more interested in why he restructured his contract and why the 9er would want him to? The team is way under the cap right now right? Did his contract really make a difference between staying and going? It wasn't like it was a huge number to begin with.

makes him easier to trade to more cash strapped teams.
Originally posted by buck:
Tim Kawakami on Daniels. I would say this qualifies as a surprise.


-DANIELS: Very intriguing talent, but there was little chance Harbaugh was going with a late-round rookie as his main back-up to a still relatively inexperienced Kaepernick. There's just too much risk with that for a Super Bowl-starving team that might need a QB for 2 or 3 games–which might be 2 or 3 HUGE games–if Kaepernick gets dinged up at any point.

I don't think the 49ers go with three QBs on the 53-man roster, so I think Daniels will be waived next week and the 49ers will hope to bring him back on the practice squad.

Will another team grab him? Possibly, but they'd have to keep a spot on their final roster for a non-pocket QB that went in the 7th round and spent zero time in camp with any team but the 49ers.

Hard to see a huge demand for that, even by the Seahawks even just to screw around with the 49ers. But we'll see. I don't think the 49ers want to lose Daniels, though they'll probably have to risk it rather than go light at another position–and remember, this is a team going for a Super Bowl, so an extra special-teams LB or TE could be pretty important.



http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/08/26/harbaugh-picks-colt-mccoy-as-the-49ers-back-up-qb-that-was-the-plan-and-hes-sticking-to-it/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kawakami-merc+%28Talking+Points+with+Tim+Kawakami%29

I think BJ Daniels makes the team an plays Special Teams the kid is versatile as far as McCoy he is our #2 good job kid
[ Edited by Harbaalke on Aug 26, 2013 at 12:43 PM ]
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Originally posted by Harbaalke:
I think BJ Daniels makes the team an plays Special Teams the kid is versatile as far as McCoy he is our #2 good job kid

I was more than a little surprised by Tim Kawakami's suggestion that Daniels will be cut.

I do not necessarily like Kawakami, but I recognize that he is no dummy.

I have no idea if his suggestion/prediction is right.

Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see the quarterback rotation in the last preseason game.

Kaepernick will probably not play. (understatement).

If Colt McCoy has been chosen as the #2, and it does appear that he has, most of quarterback snaps will be taken by Daniels and Wallace.

Would that mean that Wallace and Daniels are fighting for the #3 spot?

I still think that Daniels makes the team, but Tim Kawakami's suggestion did open a can of worms.
I am flabbergasted by the lack of appreciation for just how well Colt played. He obviously has memorized the playbook, he throws darts, and he is a great escape artist. Hey , he got fooled by a LB who faked blitz and then dropped back into coverage. Then he threw a ball 4 feet over our receiver's head. Then he calmed down, exactly like Kap did after going 1 for 8 and played extremely well. The fact he kept coming out to retake the reigns was noteworthy. And he led the team to a TD, on quite a few completions. So this b.s. about Colt being traded is just that, b.s. Stop it already. Colt is going to be our backup to Kap, and if called on, will lead this team every bit as well as he did during the TD drive. I think tolz is out, BJ really has talent, but knowing the playbook isn't one of his strengths. Then there is Seneca, and I keep wondering what in the world was that trade about? Is JH trying to get into Pete Carroll's head? Weird.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Aug 27, 2013 at 2:30 PM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I am flabbergasted by the lack of appreciation for just how well Colt played. He obviously has memorized the playbook, he throws darts, and he is a great escape artist. Hey , he got fooled by a LB who faked blitz and then dropped back into coverage. Then he threw a ball 4 feet over our receiver's head. Then he calmed down, exactly like Kap did after going 1 for 8 and played extremely well. The fact he kept coming out to retake the reigns was noteworthy. And he led the team to a TD, on quite a few completions. So this b.s. about Colt being traded is just that, b.s. Stop it already. Colt is going to be our backup to Kap, and if called on, will lead this team every bit as well as he did during the TD drive. I think tolz is out, BJ really has talent, but knowing the playbook isn't one of his strengths. Then there is BJ, and I keep wondering what in the world was that trade about? Is JH trying to get into Pete Carroll's head? Weird.

there were two games before this past one to help form opinions of multiple posters, just saying...
Originally posted by 5280High:
there were two games before this past one to help form opinions of multiple posters, just saying...

playing behind a horrible line and running for their lives...

We are talking about back ups. I could understand if we were looking for a 1 but we are talking 2 and 3. Tbey dont have to be great just serviceable.
Originally posted by Harbaalke:
I think BJ Daniels makes the team an plays Special Teams the kid is versatile as far as McCoy he is our #2 good job kid

The 3rd qb won't be active.