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49ers Looking To Trade/Release Colt McCoy

Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Scoots:
There is no way McCoy has the strongest arm of the backups ... more likely the weakest.

There is too much McCoy hate, but he hasn't been good.

Looks like it's going to be McCoy #2, Daniels #3 ... but we'll know in a week.

About the only pass McCoy threw against the Vikings was the slant. That led to the LB trapping him for the interception. I don't see how he'll be successful if that's all he can throw. But Wallace probably won't be ready to take over a game by the Green Bay starter. Daniels probably won't be ready either. So we may be stuck with McCoy. I hope Harbaugh is setting up McCoy for a trade by naming him the backup. I doubt it though.
I will just say this, if BJ has to be #3, at least take a good look at Wallace first before we run out of options. At the very least he started off decent with a couple of good throws.

McCoy will be disastrous, he is the type of QB who will panic under pressure and throw the ball anyway and consistently chalk up picks. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he throws another pick again next week. Think about it, these are only preseason games, if he can't handle this kind of pressure, he will literally buckle to his knees in regular season games. If he throws a pick again in the next game, I will have to get a contract on him. LOL.
McCoy has thrown picks his whole career. He is a lot of work for staff. They need to look at tape, see trends for Colt, and simply take out all those types of throws when he's behind center. He will not make them. But I still think a good offer will send him packing.
Trade or Release him PERIOD. Think about the info we can get from Seneca on the our rival and BJ is an awesome #3.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
McCoy has thrown picks his whole career. He is a lot of work for staff. They need to look at tape, see trends for Colt, and simply take out all those types of throws when he's behind center. He will not make them. But I still think a good offer will send him packing.


I don't think is just the type of throws we are talking about here. To me, his key issue is he doesn't recognize defensive threats. He tries to rush the ball out of his hand and probably believes that is the secret of success. In actual fact, he is only gambling as there is no progressive reads and proper decision-making process. In this league, you just can't wing the ball and hope for the best. Put it this way, he does it in practice too (as shown at 00:46 in the clip below), so why wouldn't he do it in a game ?


I think McCoy will be 2nd string QB in name only. He will do everything that a backup QB does when the starting QB is healthy, but if the 49ers need their backup to play for an extended amount of time, I bet they go with BJ Daniels. I hope we don't have to test this theory though.
Originally posted by Rascal:
I don't think is just the type of throws we are talking about here. To me, his key issue is he doesn't recognize defensive threats. He tries to rush the ball out of his hand and probably believes that is the secret of success. In actual fact, he is only gambling as there is no progressive reads and proper decision-making process. In this league, you just can't wing the ball and hope for the best. Put it this way, he does it in practice too (as shown at 00:46 in the clip below), so why wouldn't he do it in a game ?



Yes, exactly right. That's just what happened on the int. He unloaded on the quick hitter without looking to see if there was anything actually there.
Rascal, McCoy hasn't been good, but assuming Daniels will tear it up is an extreme reach. I like Daniels, but he's got a lot to learn ... just like Kap did, just like Montana did, just like Young did. The fact that you can rattle off QBs who were successes as rookies tells you how rare it is, and, I think, Wilson is the lowest draft pick to ever pull it off, and he had the advantage of a GREAT running game and defense to support him until he got up to speed.

Brady didn't start as a rookie.
McCoy looked better, but not better enough to keep his job. Just give the #2 job to Wallace, who's a proven veteran and keep Daniels as the #3. McCoy and Tolzein out.
[ Edited by kray28 on Aug 26, 2013 at 8:59 AM ]
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Originally posted by kray28:
McCoy looked better, but not better enough to keep his job. Just give the #2 job to Wallace, who's a proven veteran and keep Daniels as the #3. McCoy and Tolzein out.

He was out of football last year and cut already this offseason... Lets not make him out to be the preeminent backup in the league.
Well just hope that Kap doesn't get hurt....because the dropoff from #1 to #2 is friggin huge.
Amen.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
McCoy has thrown picks his whole career. He is a lot of work for staff. They need to look at tape, see trends for Colt, and simply take out all those types of throws when he's behind center. He will not make them. But I still think a good offer will send him packing.


I don't think is just the type of throws we are talking about here. To me, his key issue is he doesn't recognize defensive threats. He tries to rush the ball out of his hand and probably believes that is the secret of success. In actual fact, he is only gambling as there is no progressive reads and proper decision-making process. In this league, you just can't wing the ball and hope for the best. Put it this way, he does it in practice too (as shown at 00:46 in the clip below), so why wouldn't he do it in a game ?

It's a crying shame that we do not anybody on the coaching staff capable of analyzing a quarterback's flaws, of helping a quarterback improve on his mechanics, and with the experience to enable a quarterback, such as McCoy, to confront his psychological demons.
Originally posted by Scoots:
Rascal, McCoy hasn't been good, but assuming Daniels will tear it up is an extreme reach. I like Daniels, but he's got a lot to learn ... just like Kap did, just like Montana did, just like Young did. The fact that you can rattle off QBs who were successes as rookies tells you how rare it is, and, I think, Wilson is the lowest draft pick to ever pull it off, and he had the advantage of a GREAT running game and defense to support him until he got up to speed.

Brady didn't start as a rookie.

I am not suggesting BJ is going to tear it up per se. What we are essentially talking about here is who is the better QB ? Who can do a better job ? First thing first, taking care of the football is the most basic and key. Well, McCoy can't, is just that simple. Just look at the past 3 games, 1 pick per game. BJ went out there, took care of the football and scored the winning TD. I would argue Wilson is not the lowest draft pick that pulled it off. Wilson is a top talent, that is quite another level. Let's look at Kirk Cousins, a 4th rounder, did a perfect job in the playoffs when Shanahan wouldn't even play Grossman over him as the back-up !! Oh and we do have a great running game to help out BJ too. Not an issue. People need to be a bit more open-minded. Is just like everybody thought the read option was kid's stuff and had no place in pro-football. Sorry, nope, it is a huge part of the NFL now. Don't let tradition limit you, always welcome and be open to new ideas. The truth of the matter is you will never know until you try.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
I am not suggesting BJ is going to tear it up per se. What we are essentially talking about here is who is the better QB ? Who can do a better job ? First thing first, taking care of the football is the most basic and key. Well, McCoy can't, is just that simple. Just look at the past 3 games, 1 pick per game. BJ went out there, took care of the football and scored the winning TD. I would argue Wilson is not the lowest draft pick that pulled it off. Wilson is a top talent, that is quite another level. Let's look at Kirk Cousins, a 4th rounder, did a perfect job in the playoffs when Shanahan wouldn't even play Grossman over him as the back-up !! Oh and we do have a great running game to help out BJ too. Not an issue. People need to be a bit more open-minded. Is just like everybody thought the read option was kid's stuff and had no place in pro-football. Sorry, nope, it is a huge part of the NFL now. Don't let tradition limit you, always welcome and be open to new ideas. The truth of the matter is you will never know until you try.

I agree we need to look at our quarterback situation with an open mind. Having an open mind, at least in my understanding of the concept, means we start with the basic notion that we do not have all the answers.

I do not know what is going on in Harbaugh's head. I do not entirely understand his vision of our quarterback situation.
I am open minded enough to realize that someone else, Harbaugh in this case, might be more capable than I of evaluating and coaching quarterbacks.

Perhaps, Harbaugh thinks that Daniels is the medium to long range solution for our lack of a quality back up, but not the short range answer. Harbaugh might think that Colt McCoy is the best available or practical short range solution available until Daniels is coached up. From what we have seen, Harbaugh might think that the young kid would be ready by mid-season.

Again, we have to be open-minded.

Perhaps, Harbaugh really thinks that Seneca Wallace is the best short term answer. Wallace could serve as the #2 quarterback and as Daniels immediate mentor. Right now, knowing that he wants Wallace in the #2 spot, Harbaugh is speaking highly of McCoy in a conscious effort to build up his trade value--in an attempt to get a 5th round pick for McCoy.

In short, I agree wholeheartedly with the notion that we do need to be open minded--and just maybe a little patient.
[ Edited by buck on Aug 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM ]