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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS SEATTLE SEAHAWKS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 2)

Originally posted by wysiwyg:
I'm worried about Gore

2 games, 60 yards

I wanted to ease into Lattimore but another 2 games like this and they will say he is done.

If this were somehow the case then I feel truly sad for Gore because we had 2nd and 5 from the goal line and he had over 115 yards rushing on 19 carries and we didn't give him a chance and lost out on the chip.
This is where you remember Young to Rice, and Montana to everybody on the field praying they don't turn around and the ball is there.

Kaep and this team need to get fun again.
Originally posted by dj43:
The problem is, Seattle lines up a defender in every run gap. It doesn't matter who the running back is, he can't run where there is no hole.

The only way you get Seattle out of that defense is to put a group of good pass receivers in a spread formation and force them to move one of those 8 guys back out of the box.

Last year the Seahawks spread the field, forcing the 49ers to defend the space, and then ran Lynch up the open gaps. They did pretty much the same thing again tonight.

Amazing how something so simple can go unnoticed by a professional coaching staff. I don't get it.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by dj43:
HaRo have no answer for Seattle's gap-based defense. They have seen it 5 times and they still make no adjustments. You can't block for the run if you can't get an angle on the defenders. You might bull doze someone out of the hole on occasion but you won't make a living doing it. Mangini needs to step up and show Jim why his offense can't run the ball against it.

Which is why I don't understand why Hunter didn't get any action. I love Frank to death, but we need to mix in Hunter because he has more burst to attack those gaps before they close. At least for a change of pace. We only run Hunter to the edges, and Seattle sniffed that out with ease on his first play. Too obvious.

The problem is, Seattle lines up a defender in every run gap. It doesn't matter who the running back is, he can't run where there is no hole.

The only way you get Seattle out of that defense is to put a group of good pass receivers in a spread formation and force them to move one of those 8 guys back out of the box.

Last year the Seahawks spread the field, forcing the 49ers to defend the space, and then ran Lynch up the open gaps. They did pretty much the same thing again tonight.


I was wondering about this tonight. It seems early on the 49ers seemed intent on trying to pound Seattle and it was failing as Seattle always had more guys at the point of attack than the 49ers. As the game wore on I was wondering to myself why not spread the field? My thought on it was that Kaep was the entire offense tonight to giving him space would seem to be a good thing. Further, perhaps the WR1-CB1 and WR2-CB2 matchups were heavily slanted Seattle's way, but what about the 3's and 4's?

Anyhow. I wish I could say this game is one to forget but it is not because it is Seattle and they did what they always do, what everyone knew they would do, and we had no answer.
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Seattle just beat up the 49ers and they deserve credit. Noise didn't seem like it was as much a factor as in past games to be honest, the 49ers just got beat up on offense tonight. Gore looks incredibly slow out there but it is hard to pin much on him yet as the o-line just wasn't able to open up any holes. I don't know if that's scheme or if they just got beat in their assignments.

I think people need to lay off Sherman, the guy is a beast.

Given the "fish out of water" look of the offense tonight, I'm almost wondering if the problem was scheme. What they were doing just wasn't putting anybody in positions to succeed. One example from a layman might be the complete absence of bunching receivers.

49ers management/coaching staff are going to be busy this week.


Sherman is a beast! Really? He held on almost every play as well as the all the db in Seattle backfield. Every time they showed him he had his arms around Boldin. This has been going on for a while and the league needs to address it.
Originally posted by verb1der:
To be honest, the offensive game plan was completely opposite from what I expected. I thought this would be the game where we rely more on the running game, using Gore, Hunter, and Dixon. I'm beginning to think that's the thing of the past now, and 49ers are just a spread/option team.

I wonder if our coaching staff didn't have much confidence in our running game against Seattle's run defense. Also our pass offense was so conservative that it was basically toothless.
boy those guys were really pissed about losing chris harper
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sherman: great corner

thurmond: very talented corner. would've been a high draft pick if he didn't have a bad knee. better all-around corner than browner.

chancellor: super-solid, big safety.

thomas: baller.
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Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Wow.Seattle whipped us fair and square. Kaep played like Kraep.

I agree. There are no excuses. We played poorly. They played well. We lost.

Two games down and fourteen more to go.

Fix the penalties--and do it right now.

Definitely need to do that but it has almost been a signature of this Harbaugh team. Singletary's last year, as bad as it was, this team was 15th in the league in penalties. Under Harbaugh it has been one of the 5 MOST penalized teams in the league, and is on a path to be at or near the top again. That is a major flaw in Harbaugh's coaching package.
Originally posted by cciowa:
i am really not ready to go that far but there are some areas,, like the run game where i am wondering if tonights loss exposed a weakness we did not think we had before tonight

My problem is that it's not as much as I mean the players as I mean the coaching;

This team didn't look prepared for playing Seattle, mentally or physically. The game didn't have one schemed passed that assumed that Seattle would play fast, hard and well. There wasn't one solid, encouraging sting of offensive plays that went after any weakness Seattle has. Seattle doesn't have a perfect D, but we didn't nothing to routinely exploit weaknesses. We continue to arrogantly play "our game" and didn't really adjust at all. That includes running. I think some coaches assume that our OL is so good, we don't have to scheme prepare and try and counter our blocking schemes - that we would just dominate the LOS by shear talent alone. That didn't happen. What's worse is that there didn't seem to be an answer.

In my mind what makes this a true top to bottom beat down - more from a coaching standing point than any other place? We had to very long breaks to counter/prepare/answer and we did nothing but continued with the same plan - hoping our WRs would get open far down field. We did nothing with a shorter pass game other than to our FB - who seemed like he didn't catch passes all week in practice.

I'm not saying the season's in jeopardy or anything, but this team is going to have to earn a hard-fought, well thought out, and well planned counter to Seattle. Same goes for the Rams. Harbaugh needs to stop talking about the other team's players and spend all his energy going back to the drawing board and figuring out some new things with Roman.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by father49er:
Seattle seems to have the 49er's numbers. This is the first time I see 49ers D-line get pushed around - even in the nickle. The 9ers got beat at the line on both sides of the ball. No tricks or gimmicks.

Our defense showed up dude. They played a great 1st half. The flood gates opened up in the 2nd half when our offense continued to s**t bricks. I don't blame the D for breaking, they were put in s**tty situations all game.

I'm not saying the D didn't play a good game, just the D line got pushed around. Even in the first half, the hawks were getting 3 yard pushes on runs. I rarely see this happen to the 9ers run D.
I don't think Kaep will be hugging anybody who lost their fantasy football matchup this week.
Originally posted by hofer36:
boy those guys were really pissed about losing chris harper

lol..had we known we would have let them keep him!
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ian williams will be gone for the year. that was a massive dislocation and break. it's over.
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Seattle just beat up the 49ers and they deserve credit. Noise didn't seem like it was as much a factor as in past games to be honest, the 49ers just got beat up on offense tonight. Gore looks incredibly slow out there but it is hard to pin much on him yet as the o-line just wasn't able to open up any holes. I don't know if that's scheme or if they just got beat in their assignments.

I think people need to lay off Sherman, the guy is a beast.

Given the "fish out of water" look of the offense tonight, I'm almost wondering if the problem was scheme. What they were doing just wasn't putting anybody in positions to succeed. One example from a layman might be the complete absence of bunching receivers.

49ers management/coaching staff are going to be busy this week.

Alot of good point here.

First and I'll probably get flamed for this but I sure hope Gore isn't losing his last step. One play in particular. The 2nd RZ possession. He found the gap after he hit it there was some traffic. An explosive back would've done just that. Exploded. Gore just loses waaay to much speed after his initial cut. We need more acceleration in between the tackles.Maybe it was just a bad game. Why wasn't hunter in?

Second Yes Sherman is a beast but he's also a cocky a*****e. He thinks "OOOO were so mistreated" "no one thinks were good". Yea right. Whatever. The entire media jocks on their nuts. Give it up and stop comparing yourseld to Revis.

The problem was the scheme. We just pounded the rock into a wall. We didn't spread it out. We reilied on Moore, Patton, and Wlliams to create seperation against the best secondary in the league. Not to mention barely in bunch WRs and barely in spread formation. Dumb. Just dumb.
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