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**Update*** 49ers sign Seneca Wallace

So our vet backup will be ready to go in 2 weeks...doubtful
Originally posted by Crown:
definitely not a negative. i think we saw the future in the 80s with Cunningham, 90s with some guy named Young, then Vick took up another level. Just took another generation to refine.

i have been wondering for almost 20yrs why the NFL didnt run the option. (outside of a rare gadget play) but honestly i just dont think there were players with the skill set AND the rules protecting the QB.

This new style is clearly here now. just going to sit back and watch for the next couple years.


Cos they were being conservative thinking the QB would get killed out there.

Also, they didn't have the Pistol formation then. To me, is not really the running that is the most lethal, but rather the threat to run which confuses the defense. When you have to defend against the QB run, RB run, play action pass and QB scramble, that is a heck a lot on the plate.
Originally posted by jreff22:
So our vet backup will be ready to go in 2 weeks...doubtful

Our hope is that we make it to the bye week without needing to start the number 2. By that point the 2 should be far enough along to step in and play if necessary. Wallace has throughout his career shown that he can be a solid 2 when called upon
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Originally posted by Rascal:
My goal has always been to migrate all of our QBs to dual threat cos that to me is the future of this position.

I had no idea.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by Rascal:
My goal has always been to migrate all of our QBs to dual threat cos that to me is the future of this position.

I had no idea.

I don't think that's an easy task. Coaches have been looking for dual threat QBs for years. It's hard to find them. It's actually quite rare that RGIII, Wilson, and Kaep all blossomed the same year. It's ideal to have a QB that can throw the ball as well as he can run, but I don't think a whole lot of them are out there. That being said, it nice that we have one.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by NCommand:
He makes everyone else look inferior. Ha

And LOL @ people thinking Wallace will be pushing Tolzien or McCoy. Wallace hasn't even seen our playbook yet!


So, if he's not going to be pushing Tolzien or McCoy, why did we sign him? To see him naked in the locker room? To serve as a critical 5th quarterback in the preseason? To get his autograph?

At 33 years old, with two weeks to go? Beats the heck out of me! He offers absoilutely nothing and my family up north (Seattle fans) continue to claim he offered nothing years ago when he was with them. So?
Originally posted by Rascal:
I am over it. Lockette is gone, too bad, but we need to move on.

Why is it too bad? The guy was arguably the worst receiver on the roster. They couldnt play him as a gunner because they wouldnt have been able to justify activating him as a WR on gamedays. Plus he was old enough to where the 'physical upside' argument really starts to fall apart. If they had tried to trade him, they wouldnt have even gotten a trashy Jon Baldwin level of player.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by Rascal:
My goal has always been to migrate all of our QBs to dual threat cos that to me is the future of this position.

I had no idea.

I don't think that's an easy task. Coaches have been looking for dual threat QBs for years. It's hard to find them. It's actually quite rare that RGIII, Wilson, and Kaep all blossomed the same year. It's ideal to have a QB that can throw the ball as well as he can run, but I don't think a whole lot of them are out there. That being said, it nice that we have one.


I am not sure whether that was purely because of the lack of talent or teams being conservative and sticking with the belief that QBs are not supposed to run in pro football cos they will get killed. Probably a bit of both. Even when Vick was rocking it, I didn't think people were buying it. But, with the emergence of RG3, RW and Kap, I think teams can no longer ignore it and just sweep it under the carpet. I think they have proved to the whole world that it can be done. All 3 of those teams went to the playoffs and were killing teams. I think as long as you don't overdo it like what RG3 did, there can only be upsides. I am sure many teams out there are biting their lips now and wish they had embark on that route. As far as the 9ers are concerned, to be a successful team, you need to have an open-minded approach and welcome new ideas and concepts. You don't follow the trend, you set the trend. I think it only makes sense for us to turn dual threat 100%.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
As far as the 9ers are concerned, to be a successful team, you need to have an open-minded approach and welcome new ideas and concepts. You don't follow the trend, you set the trend. I think it only makes sense for us to turn dual threat 100%.

In three years, Colt McCoy has rushed 93 times for 363 yards (3.9 yard average) 1 touchdown

In his career, Seneca Wallace has rushed 68 times for 293 yards (4.3 yard average) 1 touchdown

But, 212 of Wallace's rushing yards came in 2005 to 2008.
In the last three years, Wallace has rushed 30 times for 81 yards(3.8 yard average)

I am not sure if either Wallace or McCoy should be considered dual-threat quarterbacks.

Compare their rushing numbers with the top rushing quarterbacks last year :

1. Robert Griffin—118---833--7.1--7
2. Cam Newton --127--- 741---5.8---8
3. Russell Wilson---94-- 489---5.2--4
4. Colin Kaepernick---63—417-- 6.6—5
Like I said, I just am not sure.
[ Edited by buck on Aug 23, 2013 at 8:32 AM ]
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Wallace can probably run the read-option.
Originally posted by nannite:
Originally posted by Rascal:
I am over it. Lockette is gone, too bad, but we need to move on.

Why is it too bad? The guy was arguably the worst receiver on the roster. They couldnt play him as a gunner because they wouldnt have been able to justify activating him as a WR on gamedays. Plus he was old enough to where the 'physical upside' argument really starts to fall apart. If they had tried to trade him, they wouldnt have even gotten a trashy Jon Baldwin level of player.


First of all, I am not going to debate about how good or bad Lockette was, but only to say I think a lot of fans had high hopes for the guy. If age was an issuse, then we could easily talk about Osgood too, but I also happen to like him too. However, I couldn't disagree with you more on Jon Baldwin being "trashy". If you want to talk "trashy", AJ Jenkins is the epitome of precisely that. I am so glad that Baalke pulled the trigger and finally managed to unload him. In any case, I don't know where you got "trashy" from in looking at Baldwin. He was a top 5 graded WR in the 2011 draft. He has all the measurables and I will take my chance on him than to be stuck with Jenkins any day.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
First of all, I am not going to debate about how good or bad Lockette was, but only to say I think a lot of fans had high hopes for the guy. If age was an issuse, then we could easily talk about Osgood too, but I also happen to like him too. However, I couldn't disagree with you more on Jon Baldwin being "trashy". If you want to talk "trashy", AJ Jenkins is the epitome of precisely that. I am so glad that Baalke pulled the trigger and finally managed to unload him. In any case, I don't know where you got "trashy" from in looking at Baldwin. He was a top 5 graded WR in the 2011 draft. He has all the measurables and I will take my chance on him than to be stuck with Jenkins any day.

I was one of the strongest supporters of Lockette. I really wanted him to do well.

When he was cut, I was disappointed. The final 53-man roster has not been determined. Lockette might be back.

I hope he comes back, but I have a strong inclination to hope for the best for Division 2 players.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by Rascal:
As far as the 9ers are concerned, to be a successful team, you need to have an open-minded approach and welcome new ideas and concepts. You don't follow the trend, you set the trend. I think it only makes sense for us to turn dual threat 100%.

In three years, Colt McCoy has rushed 93 times for 363 yards (3.9 yard average) 1 touchdown

In his career, Seneca Wallace has rushed 68 times for 293 yards (4.3 yard average) 1 touchdown

But, 212 of Wallace's rushing yards came in 2005 to 2008.
In the last three years, Wallace has rushed 30 times for 81 yards(3.8 yard average)

I am not sure if either Wallace or McCoy should be considered dual-threat quarterbacks.

Compare their rushing numbers with the top rushing quarterbacks last year :

1. Robert Griffin—118---833--7.1--7
2. Cam Newton --127--- 741---5.8---8
3. Russell Wilson---94-- 489---5.2--4
4. Colin Kaepernick---63—417-- 6.6—5
Like I said, I just am not sure.


I wasn't referring to Wallace as some dual threat stud. What I was trying to say is that should be the direction we should consider. As for Wallace, his career path was kind of messed up from the word go. Seattle probably wanted to use him more as a WR as opposed to QB. He never really had a chance to develop as a QB. He was either playing behind Hasselbeck or catching passes from Hasselbeck, that was how screwed up it was.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Wallace can probably run the read-option.


Yes, he can. Have you seen his clip ? There you go :


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Originally posted by Rascal:
I wasn't referring to Wallace as some dual threat stud. What I was trying to say is that should be the direction we should consider. As for Wallace, his career path was kind of messed up from the word go. Seattle probably wanted to use him more as a WR as opposed to QB. He never really had a chance to develop as a QB. He was either playing behind Hasselbeck or catching passes from Hasselbeck, that was how screwed up it was.

You might be right about Wallace in Seattle. Again, I am not sure.

In his career, Wallace has targeted 8 times; he has 6 receptions for 106 yards.

In Seattle, he was targeted 6 times; he had 4 receptions for 75 yards.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4568/seneca-wallace