Bad at Scouting/Evaluating WR's?

Everyone is forgetting the fact that a GM's job goes well beyond just the draft.

Baalke has done an epic job of obtaining players from other teams and taking the players we already have and PROMOTING them into starting positions.

McDonald became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Brooks became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Bowman became a starter the first year under Baalke.
I think Brown became a starter the first year under Baalke. The previous regime barely let him on the field.

We became an elite defense just because of the decisions he made to promote certain players.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Everyone is forgetting the fact that a GM's job goes well beyond just the draft.

Baalke has done an epic job of obtaining players from other teams and taking the players we already have and PROMOTING them into starting positions.

McDonald became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Brooks became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Bowman became a starter the first year under Baalke.
I think Brown became a starter the first year under Baalke. The previous regime barely let him on the field.

We became an elite defense just because of the decisions he made to promote certain players.

That has nothing to do with Trent. The coaches will play a player when they are ready.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Everyone is forgetting the fact that a GM's job goes well beyond just the draft.

Baalke has done an epic job of obtaining players from other teams and taking the players we already have and PROMOTING them into starting positions.

McDonald became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Brooks became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Bowman became a starter the first year under Baalke.
I think Brown became a starter the first year under Baalke. The previous regime barely let him on the field.

We became an elite defense just because of the decisions he made to promote certain players.

That has nothing to do with Trent. The coaches will play a player when they are ready.

The coaches were brand spanking new. There was a holdout, and they didn't even meet the players until a few weeks before the season started. How on earth could the coaches have known that those players were "ready"?

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Everyone is forgetting the fact that a GM's job goes well beyond just the draft.

Baalke has done an epic job of obtaining players from other teams and taking the players we already have and PROMOTING them into starting positions.

McDonald became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Brooks became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Bowman became a starter the first year under Baalke.
I think Brown became a starter the first year under Baalke. The previous regime barely let him on the field.

We became an elite defense just because of the decisions he made to promote certain players.

That has nothing to do with Trent. The coaches will play a player when they are ready.

The coaches were brand spanking new. There was a holdout, and they didn't even meet the players until a few weeks before the season started. How on earth could the coaches have known that those players were "ready"?

We didn't fire everybody. You really think Trent is going to tell Tomsula which DL to play and when......not happening. The coaches sweating on the field make the decisions, not the guy in a suit sitting in an office.

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:

Originally posted by doc_brown_:

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
Man, fire him since he can't turn LATE ROUND PICKS into the next Jerry Rice.

You're completely missing the point. Who made the decision to wait until the LATE rounds to address a pressing need? Crabs and Anquan would have been a nice duo, but injuries happen in the NFL, which is why depth is important.

Look at some of the good teams in the NFL right now:
Denver - Thomas (draft pick), Decker (draft pick), Welker (FA)
Atlanta - Jones (draft pick), Roddy (draft pick), Douglas (draft pick)
GB - Cobb (draft pick), Nelson (draft pick), Jones (draft pick)
Seattle - Tate (draft pick), Rice (FA), Baldwin (Undrafted FA)
Houston - Andre (draft pick), Hopkins (draft pick), Martin (draft pick)

Notice anything?

Yeah I do, hardly any of those WR's were taken in the first round. D Thomas looked bad until Peyton came on board and Atlanta gave up major picks to get Julio. Baalke got AB for peanuts and if teamed with Crabs and Kyle Williams, who Baalke drafted and who has gotten better each year, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I agree with Chip, I live in Denver, D. Thomas was horrendously underachieving before Peyton came in. Decker was a 3rd rounder I believe and Welker was acquired through a patriot f*ck up. Then you want to look at GB, forgetting that Cobb was almost practice squaded if he didnt show his return ability and Jones was almost let go of in FA, because the packers didnt think he was that valuable... until all their other receivers got injured and he stepped up. Seattle is laughable, no way their receivers are tops in anything. And you forgot that the texans gave up on Jones and let him walk....

So what was the point of pointing to "good teams"? to show you dont know how teams compile receivers either?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Everyone is forgetting the fact that a GM's job goes well beyond just the draft.

Baalke has done an epic job of obtaining players from other teams and taking the players we already have and PROMOTING them into starting positions.

McDonald became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Brooks became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Bowman became a starter the first year under Baalke.
I think Brown became a starter the first year under Baalke. The previous regime barely let him on the field.

We became an elite defense just because of the decisions he made to promote certain players.

That has nothing to do with Trent. The coaches will play a player when they are ready.

The coaches were brand spanking new. There was a holdout, and they didn't even meet the players until a few weeks before the season started. How on earth could the coaches have known that those players were "ready"?

We didn't fire everybody. You really think Trent is going to tell Tomsula which DL to play and when......not happening. The coaches sweating on the field make the decisions, not the guy in a suit sitting in an office.

Are you implying the DL coach decides who starts on the DL?

Everybody gets together to make these decisions, but with only a few weeks to prepare, the coaching staff had no choice, but to rely, as you said, on the previous regimes input. Baalke, being the general manager, and previously the director of player personnel, and previously the head scout (or something like that), watched, analyzed, and evaluated these players for nearly their entire careers. Not only that, but he understood the strengths of the team.
Who better to provide input? Furthermore, Harbaugh has said on countless occasions, that he and Baalke are always discussing the team, its personnel, etc.

It's not like all we did was promote some players. It was an entire retooling with an entirely new PHILOSOPHY of how we were going to build a defense.

For example, we trade Manny Lawson, a player who is excellent in coverage, and replace him with a player we already had, who is not as good in coverage. This type of commitment requires a different defensive philosophy and strategy. When we promoted McDonald, we moved Sopoaga to nose tackle, where he had previously failed before, another MAJOR decision, which cannot be determined in a few weeks of watching film. Obviously, input into the player, his strengths, his weaknesses, etc, was required to make that type of decision. Input that can only be provided by, again, people who have watched him play and practice, up close, for years and years; people like Trent Baalke.

Half of our defense was different from the previous year. A few weeks is not enough time to make these types of major strategic decisions on your own. Baalke was obviously providing most of the input and suggestions as to the direction this team should go, based upon the personnel they already had, as well as the personnel they could obtain in free agency.

A head coach simply does not have the TIME to orchestrate major changes to an NFL team of this scale in a mere few weeks. The head coach has to spend time coaching the players, running them through practice, coaching the quarterback, talking to players etc. The GM's JOB is to handle personnel decisions and long-term strategy.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Everyone is forgetting the fact that a GM's job goes well beyond just the draft.

Baalke has done an epic job of obtaining players from other teams and taking the players we already have and PROMOTING them into starting positions.

McDonald became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Brooks became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Bowman became a starter the first year under Baalke.
I think Brown became a starter the first year under Baalke. The previous regime barely let him on the field.

We became an elite defense just because of the decisions he made to promote certain players.

That has nothing to do with Trent. The coaches will play a player when they are ready.

Who hired Harbaugh and the coaches who made those moves? The answer is Baalke.

But, no Baalke had nothing to do those moves. They were good moves.

But, if he had a hand in the drafting of a bad receiver before 2010, he had some thing to do with those move, the bad ones that is.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Everyone is forgetting the fact that a GM's job goes well beyond just the draft.

Baalke has done an epic job of obtaining players from other teams and taking the players we already have and PROMOTING them into starting positions.

McDonald became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Brooks became a starter the first year under Baalke.
Bowman became a starter the first year under Baalke.
I think Brown became a starter the first year under Baalke. The previous regime barely let him on the field.

We became an elite defense just because of the decisions he made to promote certain players.

That has nothing to do with Trent. The coaches will play a player when they are ready.

But they have to have the talent to be even in a place of readiness right? The next set of acquisitions are looking good this summer - Cox and Awesomeguy

I dont disagree with that. Trent reloads the talent and the coaches pick the best of the bunch to play.

Originally posted by ayetee:
...but he drafted Jenkins. He's gotta go.

Has even one person suggested we need a new GM?

Originally posted by BrianGO:

. . . The GM's JOB is to handle personnel decisions and long-term strategy.

No . . . just . . . no.

Originally posted by 5280High:
Patton will put this thread to bed. He is gonna end up 3rd or 4th in catches, I'll put money on it. He will ball out

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by ayetee:
...but he drafted Jenkins. He's gotta go.

Has even one person suggested we need a new GM?

no one ever said we needed or want a new GM. that was just classic labeling when someone dares question the front office on a player decision,, even when it is well deserved like in the case of jenkins. and the linebacker huggins, higgins whoever the f**k he was

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by 5280High:
Patton will put this thread to bed. He is gonna end up 3rd or 4th in catches, I'll put money on it. He will ball out

Ride the wave, you could probably double down right now and say he'd finish higher than 3rd...kid looks goooood

Originally posted by ninermedic:

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by 5280High:
Patton will put this thread to bed. He is gonna end up 3rd or 4th in catches, I'll put money on it. He will ball out

Ride the wave, you could probably double down right now and say he'd finish higher than 3rd...kid looks goooood

Nah Im being realistic, Boldin and VD will have more catches, no doubt about that. But Patton will finish in the 40s and 50s reception range. But anyone who saw his game against A&M would of made the same bet... everything about the kid in college looked like it would translate to the pros.

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by ninermedic:

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by 5280High:
Patton will put this thread to bed. He is gonna end up 3rd or 4th in catches, I'll put money on it. He will ball out

Ride the wave, you could probably double down right now and say he'd finish higher than 3rd...kid looks goooood

Nah Im being realistic, Boldin and VD will have more catches, no doubt about that. But Patton will finish in the 40s and 50s reception range. But anyone who saw his game against A&M would of made the same bet... everything about the kid in college looked like it would translate to the pros.

OK, 3rd in catches...2nd in yards to VD?