My only comment to the initial thread is that I am always amazed that anyone can whiff on a first round draft pick. Disappointment, sure. J.J. Stokes was not a great player as hoped, but he played and contributed a little. The guys that simply get gut, e.g., Balmer, Carmazzi, Jenkins (OK, a polite cut), that floors me. So many people getting paid so well to analyze that talent and still you see fairly frequently these perplexing first round busts.