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Actually, how awesome is it that we can totally whiff on an entire draft and STILL be the best team in football? And probably the deepest as well...
Originally posted by cNiner:
Originally posted by hohbie:
Originally posted by spizzy:
I like to think of myself as a pretty objective fan. I try not to get emotionally invested in specific players (except Gore) and faith in the front office as much as the next guy. But the amount of sheer praise and biased trust in Baalke and our scouting department is ridiculous. Yes, our 2011 draft class is historically awesome. But the 2012 draft is one of, if not THE, worst draft we've ever had.

1 30 A.J. Jenkins WR Illinois- no explanation needed

2 61 LaMichael James RB Oregon- looking like a solid contributor

4 117 Joe Looney C/G Wake Fores- tbd

5 165 Darius Fleming OLB Notre Dame- cant stay healthy, very low chance of making team next year

6 180 Trent Robinson SS Michigan State- will probably be cut soon

6 199 Jason Slowey T Western Oregon- who?

7 237 Cam Johnson DE Virginia- MIGHT be a ST contributer



All I'm saying is, don't think for one second Baalke is the best talent evaluator or even near the top of the league. I do however have confidence that he will learn from his mistakes


PS can the season just get here already??

Haha. As bad as this draft was (and it was real bad) he is still not overrated. He knocked it out of the park in 2011 and I think he got cocky during the 2012 draft. I think the 2013 draft looks like it has some good pieces. I would take 2012 as the exception and not the trend, although I agree it is awful.


yeah but we don't need as many players to stick , we need to hit it out of the park, so BlackHarbagh are taking chances and i don't mind it !

That is the first time I have heard that nicname! lol. I know I know, prob auto spell
I am impressed with him. Even if AJ was traded away just the fact that he was smart enough to know when to throw in the towel with Jenkins is telling. At least we know we won't have to live with bad draft picks that don't perform.

Plus I am liking our last draft more and more. Eric Reid reminds me of Aldon Smith in terms of physical talents. Baalke is building us a team of long armed super men...lol. The man is an evil genius.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Actually, how awesome is it that we can totally whiff on an entire draft and STILL be the best team in football? And probably the deepest as well...

we are pretty thin at quality backup O linemen, the only one who doesn't concern me is Kilgore
Originally posted by 5280High:
Wow, f*cking chicken little thread if I've ever seen one. No one hits on draft picks everytime, it's not Baalkes fault Fleming can't stay healthy, Johnson is looking like a solid contributor but will probably get cut cause of the rookie stud Lemonier, Looney has looked alright not great but alright considering he has Omgmameh next to him. LMJ is a solid role player. Slowey? Really? Lets harp on 6th and 7th round picks lol!

Baalke has hit more than missed, and even when he misses he still gets something like a pick for Mays or Baldwin for AJ. What else could a fan want? No one hits on every pick even Ozzie newsome misses allot and he is considered the best in the league at scouting. Get over it and enjoy this years class cause it will shut up all the haters for yets to come.

Ozzie Newsome has had a tremendous amount of busts over the years. But he's hit enough that he still has a great reputation.


You want to talk about a f**king horrible draft, look at the Ravens in 2004 with same-genius Newsome at the helm.


2 19(51) Dwan Edwards DT Oregon St.
3 19(82) Devard Darling* WR Wash. St.
5 21(153) Roderick Green DE Central Missouri St.
6 22(187) Josh Harris QB Bowling Grn
6 34(199) Clarence Moore WR N. Arizona
7 43(244) Derek Abney WR Kentucky
7 45(246) Brian Rimpf OT East Carolina





Even in the 2008 draft where they took Flacco in the 1st and Ray Rice in the 2nd, everything else was mostly garbage even though they had a ton of picks.



3rd round -- Tavares Gooden, inside linebacker, Miami

3rd round -- Tom Zbikowski, safety, Notre Dame

3rd round -- Oniel Cousins, tackle, UTEP

4th round -- Marcus Smith, wide receiver, New Mexico

4th round -- David Hale, guard/tackle, Weber State

6th round -- Haruki Nakamura, safety, Cincinnati

7th round -- Justin Harper, wide receiver, Virginia Tech

7th round -- Allen Patrick, running back, Oklahoma


Players Baltimore missed out on in that 3rd round alone? Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton, Jermichael Finley, Cliff Avril, Mario Manningham, Thomas DeCoud.


There's no GM that is perfect all of the time, sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss, the good GM's simply dust themselves off, cut their losses and keep moving forward.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Aug 20, 2013 at 11:33 AM ]
Bill Walsh was overrated too! look at the 1982 draft as proof:

2. Bubba Paris- solid contributor, never made it to the pro bowl.
5. Newton Williams - who?
6. Vince Williams -Who?
7. Ron Ferrari -Who?
9. Bryan Clark - Who?
10. Dana Mclemore - meh...
10. Tim Barbian - Who?
11. Gary Gibson - Who?
12. Tim Washington - Who?

They should have just replaced the entire front office based on that draft.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
I think it shows he either hits grand slams or strikes out. If I remember correctly it was his first board being used, the year prior I think we still had Scotts rankings.

This years class might be the best going back at-least 5-10 years. Just cant miss next year.

You think, but you do not know.

We know that Baalke ran the draft in 2010.

He gets credit and blame for the draft. Yup, Taylor Mays was a Baalke pick.
God this thread f**king sucks

Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by spizzy:
Originally posted by JR80Forever:
I stopped reading at Fleming, cause he is no longer on the team. Can't take your opinion seriously when you don't even know the facts. Nice try.

He's on IR

he was last year. he was waived in July

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Waive-Fleming-Sign-Travis-Johnson/471fd05a-1958-4d35-9568-37d877b0c549


STOP. You're both right.

Darius Fleming was waived/injured. If he goes unclaimed on waivers, his rights revert back to the team and they can put him on IR. He wen't unclaimed. He's on IR.
Yeah, Baalke needs to get fired. Who wants a guy who can draft players like Iupati, Davis, Bowman, Aldon, Kaepernick, Hunter, Culliver, Miller, LMJ.

I say we get rid of the entire Personnel department and replace them with the internet experts who knew for sure guys were busts a year after the draft occurred.
It's what happens when you have a ton of depth...You can't keep these later round guys who may be decent, but 3rd string on an elite team like us...If this were the dark years, most of these guys would be making the final 53
Peeps need to get over this draft. Seriously.

1) AJ Jenkins - Bust. It happens. Bill Walsh trade up in the draft to take Reggie McGrew for gods sake.
2) LMJ - Looking like a very good pick

Note here there is no 3rd round pick....we'll talk about that later

4) Looney - Will make the team as a reserve lineman.Was injured when selected and was never expected to be a year one impact player (similar to Lattimore and Carradine).
5) Darius Fleming - Poor guy just can't keep his knee in one piece.
6) Trenton Robinson - Competing for a spot at FS...I think he makes the team. He was singled out by Fangio earlier this month.
6) Jason Slowey - Was always a longshot. SUPER small school but incredibly strong. Was just too raw to make a loaded roster.
7) Cam Johnson - OLB who probably won't make the team because of the number of OLBs in camp.

Outside of AJ, you are judging Baalke on players that were taken LONG after the 1st 3 rounds of the draft. If those guys end up as anything other than backup players you are hitting a home run. It isn't EXPECTED that those players turn into pro bowlers.

The other piece you are missing is all the trades that were made in the 2012 draft that resulted in picks THIS year. In 2012, those trades resulted in extra picks in the 3rd, 5th, and 6th rounds of the 2013 draft. Some of those picks were used to bounce up and down in the 2013 draft. In fact, I THINK one of them was used to jump up to 18 to take Eric Reid. The trade in 2012 was a move down from the 3rd round into the 4th (for Looney) and a 2013 3rd round pick. Essentially, the 49ers moved up 13 picks in round one my moving down about 70 spots into round 4 the previous year.

The best part is that they still had a 3rd rounder after the trade in order to select Corey Lemonier....after another trade UP.

Drafts don't exist in a void. Very often prior drafts have an effect on later drafts. Many of the picks in the 2012 draft that is being viewed so harshly didn't pay their dividends until the 2013 draft.

This is continuing BTW. The Niners this past year moved down from 33 to 40 and got ANOTHER 3rd round pick this coming year.

Looking at one draft in a bubble like this makes zero sense so it's no surprise that people come to the entirely wrong conclusion.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Peeps need to get over this draft. Seriously.

1) AJ Jenkins - Bust. It happens. Bill Walsh trade up in the draft to take Reggie McGrew for gods sake.
2) LMJ - Looking like a very good pick

Note here there is no 3rd round pick....we'll talk about that later

4) Looney - Will make the team as a reserve lineman.Was injured when selected and was never expected to be a year one impact player (similar to Lattimore and Carradine).
5) Darius Fleming - Poor guy just can't keep his knee in one piece.
6) Trenton Robinson - Competing for a spot at FS...I think he makes the team. He was singled out by Fangio earlier this month.
6) Jason Slowey - Was always a longshot. SUPER small school but incredibly strong. Was just too raw to make a loaded roster.
7) Cam Johnson - OLB who probably won't make the team because of the number of OLBs in camp.

Outside of AJ, you are judging Baalke on players that were taken LONG after the 1st 3 rounds of the draft. If those guys end up as anything other than backup players you are hitting a home run. It isn't EXPECTED that those players turn into pro bowlers.

The other piece you are missing is all the trades that were made in the 2012 draft that resulted in picks THIS year. In 2012, those trades resulted in extra picks in the 3rd, 5th, and 6th rounds of the 2013 draft. Some of those picks were used to bounce up and down in the 2013 draft. In fact, I THINK one of them was used to jump up to 18 to take Eric Reid. The trade in 2012 was a move down from the 3rd round into the 4th (for Looney) and a 2013 3rd round pick. Essentially, the 49ers moved up 13 picks in round one my moving down about 70 spots into round 4 the previous year.

The best part is that they still had a 3rd rounder after the trade in order to select Corey Lemonier....after another trade UP.

Drafts don't exist in a void. Very often prior drafts have an effect on later drafts. Many of the picks in the 2012 draft that is being viewed so harshly didn't pay their dividends until the 2013 draft.

This is continuing BTW. The Niners this past year moved down from 33 to 40 and got ANOTHER 3rd round pick this coming year.

Looking at one draft in a bubble like this makes zero sense so it's no surprise that people come to the entirely wrong conclusion.


Great post.
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Overrated? Here's SOME of what the overrated Trent Baalke has done since being incorporated into the Front Office in 2010....

DRAFTED Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, Navorro Bowman, Kyle Williams, Boobie Dixon, Bruce Miller, Daniel Kilgore, Kendal Hunter, Chris Culliver, Colin Kaeprnick and Aldon Smith. ELEVEN Pro-Bowl/Solid contributors to the current roster.
He was pressured by Mike Singletary into selecting Taylor Mays and as soon as he had the chance, he traded Mays away for what would become Bruce Miller IIRC.

Got rid of Nate Clements and his gargantuan contract, and replaced him with Carlos Rogers and added a Donte Whitner for good measure. Both enjoyed their best seasons as 49ers in 2011 and are still a large part of the teams plan to win the Super Bowl.

REVAMPED the Offensive Line from by cutting names like Baas, Wragge, Rachal and Snyder

Traded Alex Smith for Vance McDonald/Tank Carradine plus a future selection in the Top 100.

Extended the contract of Ahmad Brooks, Justin Smith, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Anthony Davis, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman and Joe Staley. Our core.

That's just off the top of my head..............
Originally posted by SaksV:
Overrated? Here's SOME of what the overrated Trent Baalke has done since being incorporated into the Front Office in 2010....

DRAFTED Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, Navorro Bowman, Kyle Williams, Boobie Dixon, Bruce Miller, Daniel Kilgore, Kendal Hunter, Chris Culliver, Colin Kaeprnick and Aldon Smith. ELEVEN Pro-Bowl/Solid contributors to the current roster.
He was pressured by Mike Singletary into selecting Taylor Mays and as soon as he had the chance, he traded Mays away for what would become Bruce Miller IIRC.

Got rid of Nate Clements and his gargantuan contract, and replaced him with Carlos Rogers and added a Donte Whitner for good measure. Both enjoyed their best seasons as 49ers in 2011 and are still a large part of the teams plan to win the Super Bowl.

REVAMPED the Offensive Line from by cutting names like Baas, Wragge, Rachal and Snyder

Traded Alex Smith for Vance McDonald/Tank Carradine plus a future selection in the Top 100.

Extended the contract of Ahmad Brooks, Justin Smith, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Anthony Davis, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman and Joe Staley. Our core.

That's just off the top of my head..............
so youre saying he sucks
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