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Bad at Scouting/Evaluating WR's?

Pretty much everybody is bad at evaluating WRs ... I know I am.

WR as a position has the highest failure rate in the draft, and 1st round WRs tend to be boom or bust.

There is a TON of evidence to support this on the 49ers and on other teams. Back when Baalke was a scout he said he didn't think it was ever a good idea to spend a 1st round pick on a WR ... he didn't take his own advice.

The 49ers spent a top 10 pick on JJ Stokes one year, the next year spent a late 3rd on TO ... one worked a LOT better than the other (until he went insane).

Another example ... make a list of the 49ers great WRs in the last 30 years. It's not a very long list.

BTW, the Giants had Victor Cruz on the roster for a year before they figured out he could play, so nobody really knows who is going to be a star and who is going to be a dud.
[ Edited by Scoots on Aug 16, 2013 at 3:03 PM ]
well no help today
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Are Baalke and Co. bad at scouting and evaluating college WR's?

In the 2011 draft, The Niners selected Ronald Johnson in the 6th round, who no longer is in the NFL

In the 2012 draft, The Niners selected A.J. Jenkins in the 1st round. Jenkins is probably the 7th best WR currently on the Niners roster and has looked terrible in games.

Notable WR's taken after Jenkins are:
- Alshon Jeffery
- Ryan Broyles
- Reuben Randle
- T.J. Graham
- Mohamed Sanu
- T.Y. Hilton
- Chris Givens
- Josh Gordon

Baalke and Co. stared these guys in the faces and still decided to pull the trigger on Jenkins. For me, this begs the question; Is Baalke bad at evaluating college WR's? It remains to be seen if Quinton Patton succeeds in the NFL, or if Jenkins can salvage his young career.

The Niners have drafted players with character concerns before, so for me, that is not an excuse for passing on guys like Alshon Jeffery and Josh Gordon.

Tell me what you guys think.

Are you just quoting Grant Cohn, or are you really him. Either way, it doesn't matter about Jenkins anymore.
I guess I have to return that Jenkins jersey....
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Are you just quoting Grant Cohn, or are you really him. Either way, it doesn't matter about Jenkins anymore.

Why are people bringing up Josh Gordon who was taken in the supplemental draft.................seriously?
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Are Baalke and Co. bad at scouting and evaluating college WR's?

In the 2011 draft, The Niners selected Ronald Johnson in the 6th round, who no longer is in the NFL

In the 2012 draft, The Niners selected A.J. Jenkins in the 1st round. Jenkins is probably the 7th best WR currently on the Niners roster and has looked terrible in games.

Notable WR's taken after Jenkins are:
- Alshon Jeffery
- Ryan Broyles
- Reuben Randle
- T.J. Graham
- Mohamed Sanu
- T.Y. Hilton
- Chris Givens
- Josh Gordon

Baalke and Co. stared these guys in the faces and still decided to pull the trigger on Jenkins. For me, this begs the question; Is Baalke bad at evaluating college WR's? It remains to be seen if Quinton Patton succeeds in the NFL, or if Jenkins can salvage his young career.

The Niners have drafted players with character concerns before, so for me, that is not an excuse for passing on guys like Alshon Jeffery and Josh Gordon.

Tell me what you guys think.

Are you just quoting Grant Cohn, or are you really him. Either way, it doesn't matter about Jenkins anymore.

Agreed. People are talking as with Baalke passed on AJ Green for AJ Jenkins. So far, he's only drafted 3 receivers, and only one was drafted high. People need to come off of it.
  • buck
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Baalke has drafted four wide receivers. Baalke was the interim general manager and in charge of the draft in 2010.

Kyle Williams was drafted in 2010.
Ronald Johnson was drafted in 2011.
AJ Jenkins was drafted in 2012.
Quinton Patton was drafted in 2013.

That totals 4 wide receivers.
Two six round picks.
One first round pick.
One fourth round pick.
[ Edited by buck on Aug 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM ]
Originally posted by buck:
Baalke has drafted four wide receivers. Baalke was the interim general manager and in charge of the draft in 2010.

Kyle Williams was drafted in 2010.
Ronald Johnson was drafted in 2011.
AJ Jenkins was drafted in 2012.
Quinton Patton was drafted in 2013.

That totals 4 wide receivers.
Two six round picks.
One first round pick.
One fourth round pick.

I deliberately left out Patton because he doesn't have any seasons under his belt, so there is litereally nothing for us to judge.
  • buck
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I deliberately left out Patton because he doesn't have any seasons under his belt, so there is litereally nothing for us to judge.

OK. But, I do think, although I could be wrong, that some people are forgetting Kyle Williams.
WR is a hit or miss position. There are a ton of guys picked throughout the draft each year that don't make it. We have had some hits and misses, nothing unusual.
  • bret
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It seems to me if you look back to 2112, we'd spent several years focusing on the o-line and the defensive front 7. Then Harbaugh came in and the signed some free agent db's that at least stop-gaped that area of need, so what was left? Lack of team speed. With that as the background it makes some sense that they drafted Jenkins and James 1-2. Was it a mistake? Almost for sure. But it usually is a mistake when you let yourself get boxed into a corner in the draft.

I also suspect that they made a mistake not bring Jenkins in for a visit. I seem to recall somewhere reading that they purposely didn't bring him in because they didn't want to tip their intentions. But maybe if they'd had a one-on-one sit down with him, they would have had a better picture of his mental make-up - toughness, confidence, work ethic, etc.

Crabtree and Kyle Williams haven't been bad; the Ronald Johnson pick was campaigned for by the receivers coach who worked with him in college. A sixth rounder who doesn't work out is not that big a deal anyway.
Fire Baalke I guess

dude cant evaluate WRs...get a GM that can
  • cciowa
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it is not very professional and i have nothing to back it up but i just hate picking wide outs with a first round pick. not sure if it woods made me go down this road but it never works out for us, even with crabs I had my doubts and even now, i am ok if he is not on the team next year
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by HERN:
I guess since Alex Smith is gone, time to find someone to pick on. A.J Jenkins come on down
its his own fault., what did he ever do to make you feel so sorry for him. he had a chance to step up last year when we had injuries and could not get on the field,, he had a chance to step up with injuries this year but even when he got on the field he fell down. i am glad we just did not cut him and actually got something for him. jenkins never pushed any of our wide outs to be better
Originally posted by cciowa:
it is not very professional and i have nothing to back it up but i just hate picking wide outs with a first round pick. not sure if it woods made me go down this road but it never works out for us, even with crabs I had my doubts and even now, i am ok if he is not on the team next year

We picked the wrong year to draft a WR in the 1st. Weak class overall, and people knew that going in. I appreciate Baalke aggressively attacking what was a huge weakness for us in 2011, WR depth, but he fudged the pick.

The 2009 class was pretty darn good, and everyone knew it. Crabtree, Harvin, Maclin, Nicks. We need to wait for one of these classes. Funny enough, Heyward-Bey was picked before all of them lol.