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winners & losers: preseason game 1

To be fair almost all of those 2nd and 3rd string lineman won't make the team and you hardly use more than 7-8 OL in a year anyways. We will probably keep 8, maybe 9 guys and 5 of them are on the starting line. Throw in Kilgore and Snyder and that 7 there. Leaves 1 or 2 left so probably Looney and possibly Wiggins? I think we will just move Boone to tackle if one goes down and then at RG Kilgore or Snyder would probably step in. Until we get a 3rd T that wont let us down we will unfortunately have to shuffle the line.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Aug 9, 2013 at 8:47 PM ]
I am pretty sure that if your team has a studly 3rd string O'line you have big problems elsewhere. Nobody has that kind of depth. Still it would be nice if our swing tackle wasn't our starting guard. It's the one problem with the put your best on the field philosophy.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I am pretty sure that if your team has a studly 3rd string O'line you have big problems elsewhere. Nobody has that kind of depth. Still it would be nice if our swing tackle wasn't our starting guard. It's the one problem with the put your best on the field philosophy.

Yep and going into the draft this year I thought either we take a 3rd tackle really high who could be someone who could come in and not be too much of a let down and leave Boone at RG or we draft one in the mid rounds and we put Boone at T and Kilgore/Snyder at RG. Sure it would be nice to not have to shuffle but I don't think we will lose too much by shuffling and not sure a 3rd tackle would be worth a high pick. Especially when our guys are signed long term. Although on the other hand we run jumbo so the 3rd tackle would probably see the field much more than a normal 3rd tackle.
Originally posted by Young2Rice4TD:
Not sure on Skuta? WTF He had 2 sacks.

He also had several missed tackles in the run game. Yes two sacks were great. Therefore not sure. Oh and he can thank Ian Williams for the first gift sack that he got.
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Gnielsen you make it seem like he has a paper cut. One is broken for sure and the other I think is sprained. So like you said he's been running routes and learning that way but they had him in a blue jersey meaning don't throw passes his way. No point in aggravating it further. Harbaalke, good question never had a broken finger so no idea but it's been broke for a like a week and a 1/2 now so I would guess he should be ready by the start of the season.

Yeah, that wasn't worded correctly. I don't think he's soft at all. But, I thought the fingers were jammed or sprained. I didn't know one was broken. No, I have high hopes for Patton. To me, he could be another dynamic Crabtree-type receiver.
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
I'm really disappointed that Tank is not ready. I was under the impression that he was going to be ready for training camp when we drafted him. If he misses all of camp, they probably won't work him into the rotation until at least mid-season.


Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
+ 1. I was pleased with what I saw of LMJ.


I definitely noticed some nice forward push from Ian.

Also liked what I saw of Boldin, Reid, Vance McD, LMJ, Lemonier, and Cox, Kilgore, and big Dix.

I don't remember seeing anything special from Dorsey.. didn't think much of McCoy or AJJ. Watched Okoye's minimal snaps... he was.. ookay, but nothing really went towards him. He got driven away by a double team on one of his first plays, but the RB didn't cut back properly, so no harm done.

Agree with most everything but LMJ fumbled. He recovered it but he also had the fumble in the superbowl. He dances well but he has to secure the ball consistently. It's not a red flag yet but kind of a yellow flag.
Originally posted by Walsh:
Agree with most everything but LMJ fumbled. He recovered it but he also had the fumble in the superbowl. He dances well but he has to secure the ball consistently. It's not a red flag yet but kind of a yellow flag.

anyone else notices when LMJ runs through the middle he secures the ball with both hands?
Winner for me was Parish Cox. I always liked his potential. and my loser Joe looney.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by NCommand:
My full comprehensive player analysis: 1st Half

(player helped himself towards the 53); only for bubble players (not locks)

Offense:
QB: Colin Kaepernick, Scott Tolzien, Colt McCoy - Colin looked terrific and decisive and found Boldin/Davis. CK still our main weapon on 3rd downs? Colt, INT, high hand off (almost lead to fumble x2; snap exchange); looks more like a #3 at the moment. Tolzien is still the #2 IMHO but struggled with the short touch pass and crossing route but by far, was the most decisive (experience); excellent out passes and intermediate drop-in sideline passes. Drove for score in 2-minute drill.
RB: LaMichael James, D.J. Harper - James looked more decisive and had a couple nice runs esp. off-tackle which is big for us/Gore. Still does a lot of spinning; almost lost a fumble deep in our territory. Harper has no chance of making the team.
FB: Bruce Miller, Anthony Dixon, Jason Scheplar - Bruce just rules (is everywhere/does everything!). Period. We NEED a pure FB to learn behind him; Dixon loss of yards and then decent gain on goal line run. Poor pass blocking from Dixon.
X: A.J. Jenkins, Marlon Moore, Kassim Osgood, Chuck Jacobs, Chad Hall - Moore, nice adjustment and hands on broken play. Osgood had a couple nice quick catches and used body well; fantastic catch on two-minute drill. AJ half effort on one (INT); looks explosive and then fumbles (his issue is between the ears/confidence). Hall is a scrappy, reliable WR.
Y (SLOT): Kyle Williams, A.J. Jenkins, Lavelle Hawkins, Austin Collie - nothing here in 1st half
Z: Anquan Boldin, Ricardo Lockette, Charly Martin, Lavelle Hawkins, Austin Collie - Boldin looked dominant and was moved all over the field. Nothing from anyone else in the 1st half.
TE: Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald, Garrett Celek - VD is the man (loved how they lined him up off the LOS on one side and ran him across the formation at the snap isolated on a MLB (no chance). McDonald had some nice edge-sealing blocks for James. Hands continue to be a consistent issue but his is a mismatch and when he catches, it's for big gains...carries defenders for extra yards. Nothing else beyond VD/McDonald.
LOT: Joe Staley, Carter Bykowski - All tackles had issues sealing as many TFL today (interior as well). James did what he could.
ROT: Anthony Davis, Kenny Wiggins, Patrick Omameh - Davis another FS; burned by Miller. Great run blocking though as usual. Synder looked decent on sweeps. Patrick is gone.
LG: Mike Iupati, Adam Snyder, Joe Looney, Alex Boone - nothing to report on backups here in the 1st half
RG: Alex Boone, Adam Snyder, Wayne Tribue - nothing to report on backups here in the 1st half
C: Jonathan Goodwin, Daniel Kilgore, Joe Looney - Kilgore got the start and looked really good; good lanes up the gut for James; no issues with short and long (shotgun) snaps.

Defense:
RDE: Demarcus Dobbs, Tony Jerod-Eddie - Dobbs had nice holding the point, penetration and sticking his nose in there and played both end spots (1/2 sack from LDE). Tony has no chance to make the team.
LDE: Ray McDonald, Will Tukuafu - Will has no chance to make this team but had some decent pressure as LDE.
NT: Ian Williams, Glenn Dorsey, Lamar Divens - Ian great penetration all game long (1/2 sack); great motor and collapses the pocket (Brooks/Aldon will LOVE him)! Dorsey not holding the POC well at first; getting shoved back 5 yards (plays high); nice forced holding call on penetration. Divens looked good on double-team and stuffed a run by getting really ow and firing (RB hit a wall).
WILL: Aldon Smith, Parys Haralson, Cameron Johnson - Aldon excellent on sealing edge and brought some pressures as well. Haralson was active all game and played both spots; decent pressure/hits right after the throw; sealed edge well. Not much to see from Johnson tonight.
SAM: Ahmad Brooks, Corey Lemonier, Dan Skuta - Brooks excellent on sealing edge. Skuta had two registered sacks here but also played well at middle LB and the WILL. Corey did a great job of sealing the edge and is going to get some snaps this year as a SAM on rush downs (dips down very low and forces a key incompletion x2 - long ass arms).
MIKE: Patrick Willis, Michael Wilhoite, Nick Moody - Wilhoite looked very encouraging; good assignments and penetration (1/2 a sack). Moody looked good and even pressure to force a sack.
TED: NaVorro Bowman, Nathan Stupar - Bowman looked decent. Stupar behind and too short on a 3rd down conversion over him.
RCB: Nnamdi Asomugha, Perrish Cox - Nnamdi looks ready and fired up to play; blanket coverage and form tackling and great read-react. Cox had a nice breakup (near INT).
LCB: Tramaine Brock, Marcus Cooper - Brock had blanket coverage on deep sideline throw.
SLOT: Carlos Rogers, Terell Brown, Daryl Morris - nothing to report on backups here in the 1st half
NICKLE: Nnamdi Asomugha, Tramaine Brock, Perrish Cox - Cox was solid in his assignments
FS: Eric Reid, C.J. Spillman, Trenton Robinson, Michael Thomas - Reid is ready to go; Spillman looked good in his assignments but only decent in coverage; he is fantastic at read-react in the box though (TFL). Sorry, Thomas, no chance.
SS: Donte Whitner, Craig Dahl - Dahl had nice angles and form tackling (good read-react). Whitner played 1/2 speed, late in coverage (soft).

Special Teams:
Coverage: Decent (teams were there early/deep but missed tackles lead to good starting yards for Denver). Osgood, first gunner down and made play on kick from our EZ. Holy sh!t Daryl Morris is fast...first one down in PR followed by Wilhoite/Dixon.
PK: Phil Dawson - Missed a key FG @ half time and made 2 other FG's and kicks were deep in the EZ.
P/H: Andy Lee - decent night for Lee.
LS: Brian Jennings, Kevin McDermott - nothing to report here
PR: LaMichael James, Chad Hall, Perrish Cox - James looks much more decisive here. Hall had multiple fair catches and also looked very decisive, secure.
KOR: LaMichael James, Anthony Dixon, Perrish Cox - Dixon returning KO's...or did he just decide to catch it on his own? Another sign he is doing everything he can just to make the team (returned to the 24). Cox looked more "electric" than James and had a really nice gain to the 40 (34 yard return).

Coaching: Stalled in the RZ again but ran LOTS of Q-formations with 1 FB/RB or 2 RB's, etc. Shotguns. Loved how they used Boldin/VD. A 5-WR set (4 WR's and 1 RB) - shotgun, empty backfield? Wow! 1st down! Nice clock-eating drive for the initial FG. Too many TO's. 2nd string OL looked terrible.

Read more at http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/171861-team-needs-updates/#IyiWCOV6Tkwy0S3j.99

Moody played very well.

I agreed. He was one of my bolded players (those who helped themselves towards making the 53-man roster).
[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM ]
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Winners: Ian Williams, Corey Lemonier, Parrish Cox, Tramaine Brock, Eric Reed, Vance Mcdonald, Michael Whilhoite, Daniel Kilgore, Chad Hall, Marlon Moore, Payrs Haralson,



Losers: A.J. Jenkins, Lavelle Hawkins, Cam Johnson, Nate Stupar, Colt McCoy, Joe Looney, D.J. Harper, Glen Dorsey, All the backup o-linemen.

Not Sure Yet: Dan Skuta, Nnamdi Asomugha, Demarcus Dobbs, Jason Sheplar

Agreed... except these two. They played lights out and have a higher chance to make the team after their performance.
dear lord, please let Boldin remain healthy throughout the season..

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
dear lord, please let Boldin remain healthy throughout the season..


From what I heard doesn't that rarely happen?
well at least keep him healthy until manninhambone and / or crabtree come back.
Originally posted by Kronos2560:
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Winners: Ian Williams, Corey Lemonier, Parrish Cox, Tramaine Brock, Eric Reed, Vance Mcdonald, Michael Whilhoite, Daniel Kilgore, Chad Hall, Marlon Moore, Payrs Haralson,



Losers: A.J. Jenkins, Lavelle Hawkins, Cam Johnson, Nate Stupar, Colt McCoy, Joe Looney, D.J. Harper, Glen Dorsey, All the backup o-linemen.

Not Sure Yet: Dan Skuta, Nnamdi Asomugha, Demarcus Dobbs, Jason Sheplar

Agreed... except these two. They played lights out and have a higher chance to make the team after their performance.

Skuta seemed a little out of position or easily moved during the running plays. He for sure is quick to the QB. I thought Asomugha played well but they didn't ask him to do to much either.
Originally posted by Dajanksta:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
dear lord, please let Boldin remain healthy throughout the season..


From what I heard doesn't that rarely happen?

He stayed fairly healthy when he was in Baltimore.