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Tarell Brown skips workout program-voids $2M salary escalator, holdout coming?

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
What would Eddie D. do?

I'd be surprised if Jed hasn't spoken to him already
Originally posted by AmpLee:
I agree with this. It's the right thing to do and buys a lot of clout (more than the 2 mil is worth today). My hope is they can parlay this gift into a nice bonus in an extension with the team.

That is the only way it makes any sense to give him that 2 million back. Smart business by the 49ers would be to work that 2 million into a multi year contract extension. It will make the FO look really good and retain Brown.
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I can't believe that anyone is saying that Brown is at fault here. If he had the time to negotiate and keep track of every clause in his contract then he wouldn't be paying an agent 10% to begin with
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Originally posted by Bodhi:
I can't believe that anyone is saying that Brown is at fault here. If he had the time to negotiate and keep track of every clause in his contract then he wouldn't be paying an agent 10% to begin with

The agent is most at fault, obviously. But Brown also has some fault in not trying to understand the contract himself. I mean, it's his f**king contract that pays him millions of dollars. You bet he's learned his lesson and will now make sure he understands his contract next time.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TruNinerFan:
I am really torn on this situation. Part of me wants the team to tell TB to screw off, that mistake helps our cap situation. But, it was an obvious mistake. Not sure if it was TB's fault or his agents. Nobody would walk away from 2 million dollars for a voluntary workout. Do you guys think that this makes our front office look bad to the team and potential future FA's if they don't bend a little on this matter?

I think it makes them look bad if they don't do anything for TB about it. If not giving it to him, they should at least give him a high probability of earning it.

I don't really buy that at all
Originally posted by Bodhi:
I can't believe that anyone is saying that Brown is at fault here. If he had the time to negotiate and keep track of every clause in his contract then he wouldn't be paying an agent 10% to begin with

You hire specialists (agents) to cover the difficult areas, but you are still a lunk head if you don't read and understand your own contract to some degree. This is not a very complicated issue--work out = +2 million dollars; no work out = no 2 million dollars. Would you sign a paper worth 2.9 million dollars without asking your agent/lawyer to explain every detail? The good news (?) will be if the agent loses $200,000. If he does then he is more the idiot for not explaining this to his client. Some agents do not stay in touch with their charges, good ones do.

And...just how busy is Brown that he doesn't have time to read his contract?
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Bodhi:
I can't believe that anyone is saying that Brown is at fault here. If he had the time to negotiate and keep track of every clause in his contract then he wouldn't be paying an agent 10% to begin with

You hire specialists (agents) to cover the difficult areas, but you are still a lunk head if you don't read and understand your own contract to some degree. This is not a very complicated issue--work out = +2 million dollars; no work out = no 2 million dollars. Would you sign a paper worth 2.9 million dollars without asking your agent/lawyer to explain every detail? The good news (?) will be if the agent loses $200,000. If he does then he is more the idiot for not explaining this to his client. Some agents do not stay in touch with their charges, good ones do.

And...just how busy is Brown that he doesn't have time to read his contract?

contracts are not spelled out in layman terms.
Ok, I have read them all, and like AB's idea the best. Extend him, give him more than the $2 mil up front, but nowhere near top dollar. Whatever we save with a lesser $$ extension, goes toward signing Iupati. Brown gets his cash up front, he re-ups, but we get him for less than we would have next yr.
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TruNinerFan:
I am really torn on this situation. Part of me wants the team to tell TB to screw off, that mistake helps our cap situation. But, it was an obvious mistake. Not sure if it was TB's fault or his agents. Nobody would walk away from 2 million dollars for a voluntary workout. Do you guys think that this makes our front office look bad to the team and potential future FA's if they don't bend a little on this matter?

I think it makes them look bad if they don't do anything for TB about it. If not giving it to him, they should at least give him a high probability of earning it.

I don't really buy that at all

They can't just give him the money as that would create a situation where workouts would be optional. They should work out an extension that includes escalators where he could earn back the money within reason. That would benefit both sides and keep a good player on the team.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
You hire specialists (agents) to cover the difficult areas, but you are still a lunk head if you don't read and understand your own contract to some degree. This is not a very complicated issue--work out = +2 million dollars; no work out = no 2 million dollars. Would you sign a paper worth 2.9 million dollars without asking your agent/lawyer to explain every detail? The good news (?) will be if the agent loses $200,000. If he does then he is more the idiot for not explaining this to his client. Some agents do not stay in touch with their charges, good ones do.

And...just how busy is Brown that he doesn't have time to read his contract?

Some players have bricks for brains. They didn't make it to where they are by reading legal print. That's why they hire agents to do that and pay those agents good money.

Reading your own contract? Ain't nobody got time fo dat!
Originally posted by Bodhi:
I can't believe that anyone is saying that Brown is at fault here. If he had the time to negotiate and keep track of every clause in his contract then he wouldn't be paying an agent 10% to begin with

Brown and his agent share responsibility on this one. If your not going to take the time to read a document that pays you $2 million you deserve no sympathy. Likewise, if someone is paying you to manage their contract it is your duty to ensure they know they are about to break a clause that will cost them more than 2/3 of their salary. In the end, Brown delegated this responsibility to someone else who failed miserably. Where i come from, just because you delegate responsibility doesn't mean you are not partly responsible for the outcome.
Originally posted by thl408:
Some players have bricks for brains. They didn't make it to where they are by reading legal print. That's why they hire agents to do that and pay those agents good money.

Reading your own contract? Ain't nobody got time fo dat!

LOL! Yes, you may be right, but he doesn't have to read and comprehend the contract as written. The agent is there to explain each little part and it still seems unlikely that he wouldn't understand--"Hey, if you don't show up you will lose two million dollars." If his agent is so bad that he didn't explain this then Brown is still a lunk head for hiring the guy.
Yea Brown is s**t out of luck on this one.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TruNinerFan:
I am really torn on this situation. Part of me wants the team to tell TB to screw off, that mistake helps our cap situation. But, it was an obvious mistake. Not sure if it was TB's fault or his agents. Nobody would walk away from 2 million dollars for a voluntary workout. Do you guys think that this makes our front office look bad to the team and potential future FA's if they don't bend a little on this matter?

I think it makes them look bad if they don't do anything for TB about it. If not giving it to him, they should at least give him a high probability of earning it.

I don't really buy that at all

They can't just give him the money as that would create a situation where workouts would be optional. They should work out an extension that includes escalators where he could earn back the money within reason. That would benefit both sides and keep a good player on the team.

LOL. Dude doesn't understand how escalators work in his current contract? I know how to fix it, give him an extension with escalators in it!

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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
You hire specialists (agents) to cover the difficult areas, but you are still a lunk head if you don't read and understand your own contract to some degree. This is not a very complicated issue--work out = +2 million dollars; no work out = no 2 million dollars. Would you sign a paper worth 2.9 million dollars without asking your agent/lawyer to explain every detail? The good news (?) will be if the agent loses $200,000. If he does then he is more the idiot for not explaining this to his client. Some agents do not stay in touch with their charges, good ones do.

And...just how busy is Brown that he doesn't have time to read his contract?

I'm sure he read the contract, but how many clauses do you think are in it? There is no way that he can be a professional football player and keep track of every line of text in a document like this
http://media.nj.com/rutgers_football/photo/10944399-large.jpg

If he could then he wouldn't be paying an agent 10%