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Tarell Brown skips workout program-voids $2M salary escalator, holdout coming?

My thoughts are this, he should of known of the clause, he did sign the deal, and if you dont read it yourself, your a moron. The only way he gets the $2M back is if he agrees to a team friendly long term contract. I don't think the 49ers have any responsibility to him. It's harsh, but it's the truth.

Now, if he would take a Carlos Rogers deal, he would be worth it. But if he is looking for a big pay day, like Finnegan(STL) and Carr(DAL) got, he wont get it here. The market wont dictate it. Of course it takes 1 team to do so. But with the cap flat, teams are being more cautious about deals. If he would take a 5yr $33M deal, thats $6.6M a yr average, I say do it. I would love to see Brown and Culliver start for the future at CB, with rooks drafted high to be 3rd and 4th CB. Cut Rogers when time is right.

The thing I would consider if I was Baalke, is trading Rogers, get as much for him, also that $1.25M guarantee he got then goes to the trading team who acquires him. It would result in an extra $1.25M savings. And he would save between $10-$11M over 2 years, with little dead money. Imagine that being used for Kap, Aldon and Iupati.

I hope and plan on doing a podcast on the salary cap for NinersNation.com. So when time comes maybe I can set up a twitter feed to ask certain questions.
Dammit Tarrell. I thought Longhorns acted better than that.
Niners should cut him a break...the Niners do have a responsibility to him. He's a valuable contributor, and I think this was an honest oversight on his part. There's no reason for him to screw himself out of $2 million.

The organization should show some class here and make an exception on the money for him. Don't take advantage of him here.

It's an honorable move like that that will boost the franchise's image to other potential free agents out there.
Originally posted by kray28:
Niners should cut him a break...the Niners do have a responsibility to him. He's a valuable contributor, and I think this was an honest oversight on his part. There's no reason for him to screw himself out of $2 million.

The organization should show some class here and make an exception on the money for him. Don't take advantage of him here.

It's an honorable move like that that will boost the franchise's image to other potential free agents out there.

And perhaps more importantly, it would resonate in the locker room as well. Pretty much any of those guys could have found themselves in his position.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by kray28:
Niners should cut him a break...the Niners do have a responsibility to him. He's a valuable contributor, and I think this was an honest oversight on his part. There's no reason for him to screw himself out of $2 million.

The organization should show some class here and make an exception on the money for him. Don't take advantage of him here.

It's an honorable move like that that will boost the franchise's image to other potential free agents out there.

And perhaps more importantly, it would resonate in the locker room as well. Pretty much any of those guys could have found themselves in his position.

I agree with you guys. It would be an Eddie D type of move. Go above and beyond to take care of your players. Not only will our locker room notice it, but players all around the league will notice it. I want us to regain the reputation for being the classiest organization in the league.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by kray28:
Niners should cut him a break...the Niners do have a responsibility to him. He's a valuable contributor, and I think this was an honest oversight on his part. There's no reason for him to screw himself out of $2 million.

The organization should show some class here and make an exception on the money for him. Don't take advantage of him here.

It's an honorable move like that that will boost the franchise's image to other potential free agents out there.

And perhaps more importantly, it would resonate in the locker room as well. Pretty much any of those guys could have found themselves in his position.

I agree with you guys. It would be an Eddie D type of move. Go above and beyond to take care of your players. Not only will our locker room notice it, but players all around the league will notice it. I want us to regain the reputation for being the classiest organization in the league.

It sets a bad precedence.
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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by kray28:
Niners should cut him a break...the Niners do have a responsibility to him. He's a valuable contributor, and I think this was an honest oversight on his part. There's no reason for him to screw himself out of $2 million.

The organization should show some class here and make an exception on the money for him. Don't take advantage of him here.

It's an honorable move like that that will boost the franchise's image to other potential free agents out there.

And perhaps more importantly, it would resonate in the locker room as well. Pretty much any of those guys could have found themselves in his position.

I agree with you guys. It would be an Eddie D type of move. Go above and beyond to take care of your players. Not only will our locker room notice it, but players all around the league will notice it. I want us to regain the reputation for being the classiest organization in the league.

First, this is just bizarre. He found out about losing 2 million on twitter.

Brown should have been more aware of his contract.

Nevertheless, it would show a world of class if York and Baalke can find some innovative way to help Brown recover a good share of what he lost.
[ Edited by buck on Jul 25, 2013 at 11:49 PM ]
If he wants to money back, then it's easy, sign an extension, use the lost 2M as part of a signing bonus proration. Helps Brown, he gets more than 2M up front, and we lock up one of our best CBs, likely our best to be honest.
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
It sets a bad precedence.

I don't think it does. The only reason why players ever forfeit that type of money is if they plan on holding out, and they're usually very clear in their intentions. Brown had never expressed a desire to hold out. Even after he lost this money, he's still in training camp and not complaining.

It was an oversight by his agent. Agents make mistakes, but I can't recall when something like this happened. I don't blame Brown for relying on his agent to know the particulars of his contract. They make the damn things so confusing. That workout clause probably spanned 10 pages when it could have been summed up in a few sentences.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
If he wants to money back, then it's easy, sign an extension, use the lost 2M as part of a signing bonus proration. Helps Brown, he gets more than 2M up front, and we lock up one of our best CBs, likely our best to be honest.

I like this scenario.
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
It sets a bad precedence.

How so?
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Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Niners did nothing wrong legally. But I disagree with you.

A sound and ethical organization is responsible for and to its employees. Position coaches should be in touch with their players. They should also be aware of what incentives are in place to get their charges into camp. This is a highly personalized business. Look after your guys. You've got to go above and beyond what's the legal minimum. At least let the player know that there may be incentives lost. Then let the player make a fully informed decision. To me this reflects poorly on the organization. Actually, I can't imagine Tomsula letting this happen to one of his guys.


I do not have sufficient knowledge of the standard operating procedures to know what the 49ers should or shouldn't have done.

There are three parties involved in this--the team, the player, and the agent. Placing the onus of the screw-up on the team hardly seems appropriate when two of the three parties are, or should have been, functioning in Brown's interest.

But, established Past Practices is a pretty standard aspect of employee-employer relations. If there is no established past practice of directly contacting players about these matters, the team really cannot be faulted.

Hopefully, Brown, Baalke and York can figure out an amicable solution that enables Brown to recover a good share of the lost money.

Agents must have some legally established fiduciary responsibility to the players they represent.
Brown has to raise this with the player's association. If the agent acted in violation of the player´s best interest, he might be subject to decertification.

edit: Just read the piece on www.nf.com and it seems that the lost money is a result of not attending workouts over the life of the contract, not just this year.
[ Edited by buck on Jul 26, 2013 at 12:23 AM ]
Originally posted by kray28:
Niners should cut him a break...the Niners do have a responsibility to him. He's a valuable contributor, and I think this was an honest oversight on his part. There's no reason for him to screw himself out of $2 million.

The organization should show some class here and make an exception on the money for him. Don't take advantage of him here.

It's an honorable move like that that will boost the franchise's image to other potential free agents out there.

Read your contract and know what is in it. Stop being such a dumb dolt. Hire an agent who knows how to negociate and read contracts. If you can't get those done tough luck.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by kray28:
Niners should cut him a break...the Niners do have a responsibility to him. He's a valuable contributor, and I think this was an honest oversight on his part. There's no reason for him to screw himself out of $2 million.

The organization should show some class here and make an exception on the money for him. Don't take advantage of him here.

It's an honorable move like that that will boost the franchise's image to other potential free agents out there.

Read your contract and know what is in it. Stop being such a dumb dolt. Hire an agent who knows how to negociate and read contracts. If you can't get those done tough luck.


this....it's not the 49ers fault that he hired a retard to be his agent
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
It sets a bad precedence.

How so?
Eric branch spoke with a former agent that brought up the possibility it doesn't set a good precedence.

"Teams are always concerned about setting a precedent," Corry said. "And that would be their justification for not doing anything: 'We don't want to set the precedent that when someone doesn't adhere to their contract that we reward them.' … They could take the position of 'You know what? That's your fault. You should have shown up during the offseason."

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/07/26/whats-next-ex-agent-weighs-in-on-tarell-browns-contract-snafu/

I'll also add in it's ridiculous to blame the Niners. Not there responsibility to tell a player to show up for the offseason workout program considering it's voluntary.
[ Edited by Hopper on Jul 26, 2013 at 2:20 AM ]