Originally posted by VPofCarnage:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
BTW peppers plays a different position than Aldon. Even is peppers was a better player than Urlacher which I don't think he was, I think they were about the same, he still wasn't as great as Ray Lewis. Just like aldon isn't as great as pat. yet.
If pat retired today he might be considered the GOAT or close to it. Aldon isn't even the best OLB in the league. That crown belongs to Ware IMO.
A 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB are the 2 closest positions in the league. Pass rushing OLBs are essentially DEs on most plays.
And Willis hasn't played nearly long enough to be in the conversation of GOAT. Is Ware a better OLB than Aldon? Perhaps. But Aldon out-played Ware last year, and he has the most sack of any 2nd-year player in the history of the league. Other than JJ Watt, there was not a more dominant defensive player than Aldon last year.
As far as Peppers not being more valuable than Urlacher back in the day, I would bet 32 NFL GMs would strongly disagree with you. ILB is one of the easiest positions on the roster to fill. A defensive player as dominant as Peppers only comes along every 3-5 years.
Ware can do more things well than aldon. True Aldon had a phenomenal season getting after the qb but im my mind it isn't enough to justify him being better than ware. 1st the 49ers forced a lot of teams to become more 1 dimensional. 2nd Aldon rarely ever dropped back in coverage which ware does a lot more. 3rd teams gameplan to stop ware better than they can with aldon because ware is the best player on that team with less talent surrounding him. Teams who play us have to account for J smith Willis and Bowman at all times as well as others. Ware also sees more doubleteams than Aldon and still gets off.
Aldon getting as many sacks as he did in his 2nd year was mind-blowing considering he could've/should've broken the record but keep in mind that was his 2nd year. He also had to change positions so he was raw. Next season he will probably be the best in the league, the last 2 I would take ware.
As far as Urlacher and Peppers go, both were great in their respective positions. I just think your memory is shorter on urlacher because his injuries have slowed him down tremendously. He was a sideline to sideline linebacker in his prime who could do it all. Force turnovers, get after the qb, and was the 2nd best tackler in the league next to ray. Peppers has been better for longer but if we're talking about their best days than it is harder for me to choose than you.
Will smith was more than serviceable for a long time along with other d ends like long, allen, Charles Johnson, freeney, his partner mathis, Abraham, osi, tuck, JPP, babin, cole, and peppers. All play or used to play defensive end and all can get after the qb. I don't think I need to mention how many serviceable to great OLB's there are too.
[ Edited by JimDrinkAMiller on Jun 30, 2013 at 7:20 AM ]