Who's better? Willis or Aldon

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
When you make the argument that a passrush specialist is more important than probably the great ILB in the game and possibly ever you have to consider not only 3-4 olb's but 4-3 d-ends as well as other positions like 3-4 D-ends. (Watt, Justin) Like I stated before there is a lot more players that you guys consider ELITE passrushers than there are ELITE ILBs.

If we were just saying 3-4 OLBs were more important and harder to find then you could be right but that's only because there isn't too many teams that run the 3-4.

Pat>Aldon. Not by much but he is.

But in this past season the one that the made up the top 100 whos specialty shined brighter Aldons Pass Rush or Pats all around skill? Because most here would agree Pats all around skill was very very closely mirrored by Bowman's performance.

Originally posted by LoneWolf:

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Yeah well I think that is laughable to think Nedney was more important than anyone else. Do you think if the coach could've picked 1 player to keep for next season it would've been nedney? Do you think nedney's value was greater than anyone else on the team because he was named team MVP?

You guys are silly.

Enjoy laughing at the team your a fan ofs judgement then.

What does that mean? your a fan ofs judgement then?

Originally posted by LoneWolf:

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
When you make the argument that a passrush specialist is more important than probably the great ILB in the game and possibly ever you have to consider not only 3-4 olb's but 4-3 d-ends as well as other positions like 3-4 D-ends. (Watt, Justin) Like I stated before there is a lot more players that you guys consider ELITE passrushers than there are ELITE ILBs.

If we were just saying 3-4 OLBs were more important and harder to find then you could be right but that's only because there isn't too many teams that run the 3-4.

Pat>Aldon. Not by much but he is.

But in this past season the one that the made up the top 100 whos specialty shined brighter Aldons Pass Rush or Pats all around skill?

Pat's all around skill and leadership is more important than Aldon's pass rushing skill. Could care less what the top 100 have to say. They rated Jacoby Jones above anquan boldin along with numerous other mistakes.

Originally posted by LoneWolf:

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
When you make the argument that a passrush specialist is more important than probably the great ILB in the game and possibly ever you have to consider not only 3-4 olb's but 4-3 d-ends as well as other positions like 3-4 D-ends. (Watt, Justin) Like I stated before there is a lot more players that you guys consider ELITE passrushers than there are ELITE ILBs.

If we were just saying 3-4 OLBs were more important and harder to find then you could be right but that's only because there isn't too many teams that run the 3-4.

Pat>Aldon. Not by much but he is.

But in this past season the one that the made up the top 100 whos specialty shined brighter Aldons Pass Rush or Pats all around skill? Because most here would agree Pats all around skill was very very closely mirrored by Bowman's performance.

It's not pat's fault that he happens to be lined up to the 2nd best ILB in the league. I bet if we had someone lined up on the opposite side with aldon's ability and only had pat then you would be saying just the opposite.

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:

Originally posted by LoneWolf:

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Yeah well I think that is laughable to think Nedney was more important than anyone else. Do you think if the coach could've picked 1 player to keep for next season it would've been nedney? Do you think nedney's value was greater than anyone else on the team because he was named team MVP?

You guys are silly.

Enjoy laughing at the team your a fan ofs judgement then.

What does that mean? your a fan ofs judgement then?

Enjoy laughing at the team you are a fan of based on there own judgement then. Sorry my grammar isn't 100% today.

Nevermind I decline to comment anymore this is becoming a repetative brick wall argument.

Speaking of Aldon's play, even though he was playing with a torn labrum & didn't get any sacks at the end of the season, he still had some very good games wherein he had a lot of pressures & stopped the run extremely well. Even when he's playing hurt he's a great player.

This year the 49er players voted Aldon Smith the 2012 team MVP.

This yeas the NFL players voted Aldon #7 and Willis #10 among the top 100 players

Those two votes indicate, but do not prove, that Aldon Smith had a better year than Patrick Willis.

But, even if Aldon Smith had a better year than Patrick Willis that does not mean that Aldon is a better player.

To tell the truth, I do not know, and I really don't care, which is a better player.

They are both 49ers and I am happy about that.

Originally posted by buck:

This year the 49er players voted Aldon Smith the 2012 team MVP.

This yeas the NFL players voted Aldon #7 and Willis #10 among the top 100 players

Those two votes indicate, but do not prove, that Aldon Smith had a better year than Patrick Willis.

But, even if Aldon Smith had a better year than Patrick Willis that does not mean that Aldon is a better player.

To tell the truth, I do not know, and I really don't care, which is a better player.

They are both 49ers and I am happy about that.

I agree 100% I dont quite understand the bickering about which our our all pros is better then the other anyways. It just means the seasons been away to long.

Originally posted by LoneWolf:

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:

Originally posted by LoneWolf:

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Yeah well I think that is laughable to think Nedney was more important than anyone else. Do you think if the coach could've picked 1 player to keep for next season it would've been nedney? Do you think nedney's value was greater than anyone else on the team because he was named team MVP?

You guys are silly.

Enjoy laughing at the team your a fan ofs judgement then.

What does that mean? your a fan ofs judgement then?

Enjoy laughing at the team you are a fan of based on there own judgement then. Sorry my grammar isn't 100% today.

First off I was laughing at you guys. 2nd if I was laughing at the team than so what because I was talking about a completely different 49er team that was not good. You guys laugh at alex smith along with other players that played crappy so I don't get it.

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
BTW peppers plays a different position than Aldon. Even is peppers was a better player than Urlacher which I don't think he was, I think they were about the same, he still wasn't as great as Ray Lewis. Just like aldon isn't as great as pat. yet.

If pat retired today he might be considered the GOAT or close to it. Aldon isn't even the best OLB in the league. That crown belongs to Ware IMO.

A 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB are the 2 closest positions in the league. Pass rushing OLBs are essentially DEs on most plays.

And Willis hasn't played nearly long enough to be in the conversation of GOAT. Is Ware a better OLB than Aldon? Perhaps. But Aldon out-played Ware last year, and he has the most sack of any 2nd-year player in the history of the league. Other than JJ Watt, there was not a more dominant defensive player than Aldon last year.

As far as Peppers not being more valuable than Urlacher back in the day, I would bet 32 NFL GMs would strongly disagree with you. ILB is one of the easiest positions on the roster to fill. A defensive player as dominant as Peppers only comes along every 3-5 years.

Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:

Aldon isn't even the best OLB in the league. That crown belongs to Ware IMO.

I don't know about that. Over the course of the last two seasons, Aldon Smith has more sacks in fewer games started. Smith has 33.5 sacks and Ware has 31 sacks. Smith has 80 tackles to Ware's 81 tackles, but Smith started half the games that Ware did, so Smith's tackle rate is much higher than Ware. By the numbers, Smith has more tackles and more sacks than Demarcus Ware. And, right now Aldon Smith is a lot younger than Ware so he's probably quicker and faster as well.

So let me get this straight.

Patrick Willis is arguably one of the top 3 Inside Linebackers to ever play the game, if not the best, and there are actually people who drive weapons called automobiles who think he is not more valuable than Smith?

Look I love Smith but I don't take so many drugs I have no clue of reality.

I can't believe this conversation is actually even happening.

Its times like this I realize how blessed I am to have an understanding of athletics.

Jesus.

My opinion is that the Niners have the two best ILB's in the league AND the best pass rushing OLB AND arguably one of the top three defensive linemen on the same defense.

personally i think its hard to put any one better than the other. they are both so elite.

but IMO navarro bowman is our most valuable ILB right now bc he shoots the gap and stops the run behind the scrimmage as well as anyone, AND he is our best coverage linebacker which showed with the clinic he put on in the NFC title game. i think between him, Von Miller, and Patrick Willis, we have 2 of the three best ILB in the game, so who cares who is better. we are blessed to have those two AND Aldon Smith. AND Justin Smith.


between Aldon and Patrick I would rank Aldon as the most valuable player on the team. I think his team knew what was up when they voted him MVP.