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Our Defensive Coordinator, Vic Fangio

cciowa, I tore up the Pop Warner league in San Francisco - just tore it up. Went both ways, got lots of yardage, made lots of tackles. I was awesome!
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by KegBert:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
who would you rather see at CB? Don't blame Fangio for that, the FO hasn't decided they needed to upgrade. Nnamdi isn't an upgrade at the moment.

I hate nitpickers. We have a legit top 3 defense, and the best front 7 in the game. Fangio is still a great DC.

Your right our team doesn't need to get any better. We are the best from our front office down to our waterboy.

Where in his post does he say the team doesn't need to get any better?


He implies it. You can play dumb all you like, but saying we have a top 3 defense, best front 7 and that fangio is still a great dc is implying that we are already good enough.

No, he does not imply that our team does not need to get any better. You are inferring that, and inferred that incorrectly.

AB implied that team needs to improve at corner back and that weakness at corner back lies with the front office. Here is what AB said.

"who would you rather see at CB? Don't blame Fangio for that, the FO hasn't decided they needed to upgrade. Nnamdi isn't an upgrade at the moment."

That statement not only implies that we need to improve in the defensive backfield but that the front office also needs to do better work.

AB's statement that about our overall defense or our front seven do not eradicate his implicit criticisms of FO, our cornerbacks, and the signing of Nnamdi.

When you told a fellow poster that that he can continue to play dumb all he wants, you are basically insulting him. Ironically, that fellow poster understood what AB said better than you did. He was correct, AB never said (or implied) that team does not need to get better.

May I suggest that you might consider spending less time insulting your fellow posters, and more time working your basic reading comprehension.

Hey buck-o refer to post # 35 which is....

Yeah nobody complained about our pass rush because our pass rush is good. Not arguing that our pass rush was sub-par just that even though it is great it can be a lot better still. Everybody keeps bringing up injuries but guess what injuries are apart of the game and we are a strong enough team that we should've been able to get through it. A better rotation isn't going to stop those guys getting hurt. Again brooks is a good solid player, but I think there are things that he doesn't do well (rushing the passer or dropping back in coverage). I hate nitpickers. We have a legit top 3 defense, and the best front 7 in the game. Fangio is still a great DC. < That is my problem right there. A nitpicker is someone who finds fault with insignificant details and he said he hated them. Then he stated we have a top 3 d ect. implying that he hates the fact that someone is nitpicking about one (or all) of those things.(Fangio) I, like the OP have a difference of opinion.

What does post #35 have to do with my post. I was responding to your post--#27.

Contrary to what you claim, the poster did not imply that the team does not need to get better.

To use your own words: You can continue to play dumb and avoid what I wrote.

Again, I do not like to be called buck-o. I would appreciate it, if you did not call me that. Thank you.


He says I hate nitpickers and then starts talking about how good our defense has been. Basically saying our front 7 and fangio in were not the problem. I think differently than he does. You obviously got something different out of his response.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
cciowa, I tore up the Pop Warner league in San Francisco - just tore it up. Went both ways, got lots of yardage, made lots of tackles. I was awesome!


I knew you were the type of guy that goes both ways! Sometimes you can just tell these things.
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Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
My opinion might be wrong but yours can be too.

The fact that I played football had nothing to do with what we were talking about. Some uninformed person tried to say I've never caught passes with pads on. That person was completely wrong.

I showed you all numbers too, and you refuted them just as I did. We can have a difference of opinion.

PFF might be good, but they exaggerate a bit on walker. Just a bit. But there is no way the titans would pay him to drop balls all year. They obviously see something that you guys and PFF does not.
my lord jim, now in pee wee football they did not do this but you do realize the nfl is filled with examples of teams who have overpayed for players who have glaring holes in their games? the teams know this,, they still over pay for them and then after two years they find out they should not have done it and have to cut them. yes the titans would over pay for walker to drop balls, the redskins have made a living out of over paying players who were busts. someone with your superior deductive instincts should have known this had you done your research. I am sorry jim but I am laughing at the superior intellect
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Originally posted by GNielsen:
cciowa, I tore up the Pop Warner league in San Francisco - just tore it up. Went both ways, got lots of yardage, made lots of tackles. I was awesome!

I have heard that, I think they even have a statue of you as a little kid in front of the field you played on!!! between you and me and whoever else is listening I think jim may have been one of those kids who got beat up by girls on the way home from school
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Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
He says I hate nitpickers and then starts talking about how good our defense has been. Basically saying our front 7 and fangio in were not the problem. I think differently than he does. You obviously got something different out of his response.

Either you are still playing dumb, or you are not playing.
Jim Drinkamiller: "PFF might be good, but they exaggerate a bit on walker. Just a bit. But there is no way the titans would pay him to drop balls all year. They obviously see something that you guys and PFF does not."

Okay, this is a good point. The PFF analysis we're talking about is strictly drop rate, not the whole picture. Why would the Titans give Walker a nice contract if he's got stone hands? Maybe they feel that his hands are good enough and what they really like about him is his blocking with the possibility of catching passes. Keep in mind that they are a Chris Johnson running team. He is arguably the fastest running back in the league and a blocker with good speed is always an asset. Walker is a fabulous blocker - one of the best blocking TE's around.

Incidentally Jim, the reason I've got a hard spot for Walker's drops goes right back to that Rams game when Kaepernick lofted a perfect touch floater to him in the end zone to win the game and it bounced off those hands.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
He says I hate nitpickers and then starts talking about how good our defense has been. Basically saying our front 7 and fangio in were not the problem. I think differently than he does. You obviously got something different out of his response.

Either you are still playing dumb, or you are not playing.


If I was a whiner I would complain about that comment but I don't care.
Delanie Walker conversation in the defense thread? wtf
Originally posted by lamontb:
Delanie Walker conversation in the defense thread? wtf

Good point. What are we doing?
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
cciowa, I tore up the Pop Warner league in San Francisco - just tore it up. Went both ways, got lots of yardage, made lots of tackles. I was awesome!

I have heard that, I think they even have a statue of you as a little kid in front of the field you played on!!! between you and me and whoever else is listening I think jim may have been one of those kids who got beat up by girls on the way home from school


More like I beat it up on the way home from school.
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
He says I hate nitpickers and then starts talking about how good our defense has been. Basically saying our front 7 and fangio in were not the problem. I think differently than he does. You obviously got something different out of his response.

Didn't mean the front 7 wasn't a problem. Depth was. CB play was also terrible. And we did nothing to improve, hoping Nnamdi shows up. Our best DB was Brown, and we need Rogers to step up.

It seems if something isn't perfect or the same as year 1, we see blasting of the coordinator, when it's the players jobs to make the plays, tackles, etc.... All I am talking about.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
He says I hate nitpickers and then starts talking about how good our defense has been. Basically saying our front 7 and fangio in were not the problem. I think differently than he does. You obviously got something different out of his response.

Didn't mean the front 7 wasn't a problem. Depth was. CB play was also terrible. And we did nothing to improve, hoping Nnamdi shows up. Our best DB was Brown, and we need Rogers to step up.

It seems if something isn't perfect or the same as year 1, we see blasting of the coordinator, when it's the players jobs to make the plays, tackles, etc.... All I am talking about.


Yeah you are right about that. I just think there was more of a problem than just depth with the front 7. Maybe a lot of it had to do with all the injuries we suffered. I just think that every team has guys that are injured or play banged up, so I'm not using that as an excuse. Hopefully I am wrong and you are right.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
cciowa, I tore up the Pop Warner league in San Francisco - just tore it up. Went both ways, got lots of yardage, made lots of tackles. I was awesome!

I have heard that, I think they even have a statue of you as a little kid in front of the field you played on!!! between you and me and whoever else is listening I think jim may have been one of those kids who got beat up by girls on the way home from school


Your probably the one that got beat up a lot as a kid. That's what happens to instigators like yourself. Just lucky it wasn't a guy like me on the other end.
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Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Yeah you are right about that. I just think there was more of a problem than just depth with the front 7. Maybe a lot of it had to do with all the injuries we suffered. I just think that every team has guys that are injured or play banged up, so I'm not using that as an excuse. Hopefully I am wrong and you are right.

See, he does think the team needs to improve.

The starting front seven is one the best in the game, but nose tackle was clear problem last year. Hopefully, Dorsey or Williams will step up.

The reason we need better depth is precisely because injuries can and do happen. The draft should provide us better depth.

I am more concerned about the back four than the front seven.