These quotes appear to answer the question (a bit more) as to, "How much press coverage will we play this year...single-high S...in additional to off coverage?" My guess right now is that we see a nice mix of both now (maybe even as close to 50-50) given the personnel we have their particular strengths. Also, I saw a report that Culliver has looked very smooth and good out there as well (when playing full speed). I'm waiting to get additional reports on Wright and Johnson as well...Ward/Morris/Bethea, etc.
Cook thriving off 49ers "brotherhood"
Chris Cook ran into trouble away from the field while with the Minnesota Vikings preventing him from fully realizing his potential after being taken early in the second round of the 2010 draft. With a change of scenery in San Francisco, the free-agent signee is off to a fast start with his new team and could become the next Ed Donatell reclamation project.
Over the last few seasons the San Francisco 49ers have made a habit of turning around the careers of highly-drafted defensive backs that didn't originally live up to their billings coming out of college.
Carlos Rogers and Donte Whitner are the most notable examples after not living up to expectations with Washington and Buffalo - where they were both drafted in the top 10 of their respective drafts. But they became stalwarts on the 49ers' highly-ranked defenses of the last three seasons while showing significant improvement from their tenures with their previous teams.
San Francisco has also made the most of corners taken late or not at all, like Tarell Brown (fifth round) and Tramaine Brock (undrafted).
Of those four, only Brock remains with the team after Whitner and Brown walked in free agency this spring. The 49ers released Rogers and are reaping the benefits of his departed $6.6 million cap figure as of June 1. That extra cap flexibility led to a lucrative extension for Colin Kaepernick
It's fitting, then, in an attempt to replace Rogers and Brown, the 49ers looked towards Chris Cook, a former second-round pick of the Minnesota Vikings who never quite played like a guy worthy of where he was selected. He struggled both on and off the field in Minnesota, dealing with run-ins with the law that bled into a lack of production on Sundays. Ultimately the Vikings elected not to bring him back after transitioning to new coach Mike Zimmer from Leslie Frazier this offseason.
"I feel like change was the biggest thing that I needed," Cook said after Tuesday's OTA session. "It changed my dedication coming to a team like this and seeing how much the coaches care about the players and how much the players care about each other.
"It's really a brotherhood in this locker room and that's a big thing for me."
San Francisco signed Cook to a one-year deal for the veteran minimum this spring after the Vikings elected to let him walk in free agency after four disappointing seasons. In 2013, quarterbacks had a 140.3 rating when targeting him in coverage, including nine touchdown passes and a 71.2 completion percentage, according to Pro Football Focus.
Despite his unique combination of size (6'2", 210 pounds) and speed (reportedly 4.46 in the 40-yard dash), Cook never realized his potential the team saw when it selected him 34th overall in the 2010 draft out of Virginia.
His standing with the Vikings was impacted heavily by his off-the-field troubles. In October of 2011, Cook was arrested on two charges after an alleged altercation with his girlfriend - one for domestic assault and another for intentional attempts to inflict bodily harm on another. He was also accused of brandishing a gun in a separate incident in which he was never found guilty.
In the spring of 2012, Cook was acquitted of those domestic assault charges after being suspended for 10 games to finish off the previous season.
Cook had shown signs of becoming a breakout player in 2011 before his team-issued suspension. And then his 2012 season was derailed by a broken arm allowing him to appear in just 10 games. He also missed four games in 2013 because of injury. In four seasons, Cook made just 34 appearances (29 starts), perhaps preventing him from fully developing as the Vikings would have hoped.
"I'm taking full advantage of my opportunity and I appreciate my opportunity I get to come out and play the game again," said Cook. "I had a rough year last year. I had a rough last four years. I'm just ready to come out and prove that I can do it, you know to help this team any way that I can - coming off the bench or special teams. Whatever it may be."
The 49ers hope Chris Cook can revitalize his career in San Francisco.
The 49ers are no strangers to off-the-field troubles. The situations surrounding Aldon Smith, Chris Culliver and Kaepernick have been well documented - although it's looking less and less like anything will come of the investigation surrounding Kaepernick in Miami.
And it's become clear: if a player can help the team between the lines, the front office and coaching staff are willing to take on that player's baggage. Part of that is due to the veteran leadership in the locker room, or the "brotherhood" Cook referred to.
If OTAs are any indication, it appears Cook has thrived in the early going with his new team. He's gotten the majority of his reps with the starting unit while Culliver works in slowly after sustaining an ACL tear last summer that cost him all of 2013. Culliver remains the favorite to start opposite Brock, but Cook will stay in the fold during training camp.
It's unusual for newcomers to jump returning players on the depth chart, but that's exactly what Cook has done by playing over Eric Wright in the early stages.
Wearing Rogers' old No. 22, Cook noted his affinity for his new position coach Ed Donatell, who has given Cook a lot of one-on-one time since joining the 49ers.
"Coach Ed really cares about his players. He takes every opportunity he can get to help us get better, whether it be one-on-one time, film study. He makes cut ups for us. He just dragged me out there after this to work on deep ball stuff just to tighten that part of my game up," Cook said.
With his physical traits, Cook embodies the new rage in the NFL made en vogue by the Seattle's big, athletic cornerbacks. And by drafting Dontae Johnson (also 6'2") in the fourth round in last month's draft, San Francisco is catching on.
Cook said he expects to be used in press coverage frequently, much like the Seahawks will continue to do with Richard Sherman and Byron Maxwell. But with limited contact allowed in OTAs, there's only so much they can do to work on pressing receivers.
"I've been watching my old press tapes," said Cook. "Me and T-Brock…the other corners and I will go out there and press each other and work on our steps. That's going to be a big part of our game too."
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Jun 6, 2014 at 1:50 PM
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Jun 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM
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Oh my GOD all of this talk of press coverage is making me to excited for the season to start.
Jun 6, 2014 at 4:00 PM
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Although I'd like to see Fangio ask his CBs to press on occasion, with the run defense among the front7 suffering due to Bow being out, the run defense will suffer further by playing press with the CBs. When playing press, the CB keys solely off the WR in front of him. The CB does not know if it's run or pass once the ball is snapped, he must assume it's a pass as he watches the WR and tries to jam at the line. This allows the WR to do one of two things that nullify the CB from effectively defending the run: run him down the field to have the CB follow the WR away from the run play, or immediately be able to get his hands on the CB and lock him up in a block. Playing with a cushion allows the CB to read run/pass much easier and if it's a run play, the CB can attack downhill on the RB if the play is coming at the CB. It'll be nice for Fangio to have the option of playing press, but it isn't hands down the better way to play defense.
Jun 6, 2014 at 4:36 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:Although I'd like to see Fangio ask his CBs to press on occasion, with the run defense among the front7 suffering due to Bow being out, the run defense will suffer further by playing press with the CBs. When playing press, the CB keys solely off the WR in front of him. The CB does not know if it's run or pass once the ball is snapped, he must assume it's a pass as he watches the WR and tries to jam at the line. This allows the WR to do one of two things that nullify the CB from effectively defending the run: run him down the field to have the CB follow the WR away from the run play, or immediately be able to get his hands on the CB and lock him up in a block. Playing with a cushion allows the CB to read run/pass much easier and if it's a run play, the CB can attack downhill on the RB if the play is coming at the CB. It'll be nice for Fangio to have the option of playing press, but it isn't hands down the better way to play defense.
I see what you mean, but I'm ok with it. We have Reid and Bethea who are very good at playing the run. Aldon made massive improvements in the run game last season. Every IlB on the roaster who is a backup, all of them are far better at stoping the run, front 3 is also great at stoping the run. O and we have this guy called Patrick Willis who has 703 tackles by himself, and 916 if you count the ones he was helped with... Will be fine at stopping the run, what bowman did was coverage he excels at that, covering the tightend the running backs. That's going to be more of the problem once the season starts.
Jun 6, 2014 at 8:08 PM
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Originally posted by Giedi:
As for Bowman, he's also a freak, but we got him in the supplemental draft
Where do you get stuff like this?
We did not get Bowman in the supplemental draft.
We drafted him in the 3 round with 27th overall pick overall in the 2010 draft.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/alltimedraft/
[ Edited by buck on Jun 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM ]
Jun 6, 2014 at 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by buck:
Where do you get stuff like this?
We did not get Bowman in the supplemental draft.
We drafted him in the 3 round with 27th overall pick overall in the 2010 draft.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/alltimedraft/
Although I'm probably guilty of some similar things as well
Jun 7, 2014 at 8:27 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Although I'd like to see Fangio ask his CBs to press on occasion, with the run defense among the front7 suffering due to Bow being out, the run defense will suffer further by playing press with the CBs. When playing press, the CB keys solely off the WR in front of him. The CB does not know if it's run or pass once the ball is snapped, he must assume it's a pass as he watches the WR and tries to jam at the line. This allows the WR to do one of two things that nullify the CB from effectively defending the run: run him down the field to have the CB follow the WR away from the run play, or immediately be able to get his hands on the CB and lock him up in a block. Playing with a cushion allows the CB to read run/pass much easier and if it's a run play, the CB can attack downhill on the RB if the play is coming at the CB. It'll be nice for Fangio to have the option of playing press, but it isn't hands down the better way to play defense.
This is s good topic here!
I have noticed over the years, and this was to be expected, we struggled in press with Brown/Rogers. Even when they are up tight at the LOS, they didn't seem to do a good job jamming, redirecting, disrupting, etc. routes. It was more like they were up tighter and just turned and ran with the WR.
When I watch Maxwell and Dick, both are much more squared up, aggressive and physical when they press and play that way throughout the route (which is why they only get 5 yard penalties if any at all). So "technique" is extremely important here b/c like you said, if they miss their jam and the receiver gets by them, that could be a big play...or if they are too focused on the WR, they can play themselves right out of a screen pass to that side or be lost in an off tackle run, etc.
That said, I'm happy to hear that Johnson is watching tape of Dick b/c I noticed that his technique has changed some esp. last year. I believe when they played us in the "glorified practice" game, I saw see him line up on the left side, about two or three yards off the LOS inside the receiver, angled (45-degrees) and facing the (watching the) QB . From this position, he can keep the WR outside AND keep an eye on the QB; he can turn and run with the WR on a sideline go-route or if the WR comes across the formation, he has the inside position and he can still jam him within 5 yards. If there is a run off tackle, he's already in position b/c he's watching the play develop while in motion. So in essense, he's watching the QB and WR at the same time. I also saw, as a result, him start to see the QB's body language and run all the way across the field to make a tackle right after a completion. By the way, he can also blitz off that corner as well or help "spy" and contain CK on the edge on a QB scramble. In all, he's still playing man here.
I have a feeling we may see more of this in our scheme as well esp. when we use the bigger guys such as Cook/Johnson b/c they can turn and run and have the speed to stay with WR's. In fact, both are faster than Dick.
Do you happen to have any screen shots/gifs of his technique?
So overall, it leads me to believe that we'll work on much better technique in this fashion now that we have the personnel for it in Brock/Culliver/Cook/Johnson/Ward (better square jams at the LOS, physical, tighter, more aggressive, etc.), play a tighter "off-coverage" as noted above and continue with some of our more exotic off coverage schemes to force even more confusion for the QB.
It also makes me wonder if we'll rotate in different CB packages as well depending on who we play or perhaps throughout the game. If you can have press weapons such as Cook/Johnson get some reps in games (assuming Brock/Culliver will be doing the same as well as the primary starters) while also contributing on ST coverage units, this could be an intriguing approach to changing our game plan and developing players and depth as we go. I flash back to an ice-cold Brock coming off the bench after Goldson knocked Brown out in the NFFCG against the Giants and instantly giving up a TD.
Any thoughts?
PS: Now that Seattle has lost Tate and they have a (healthy Harvin), Baldwin and Richardson, that's some speed...the last thing you want to do with speed is let them come clean off the LOS and run free, uncontested. Over the years, DB's have abused our smaller/faster WR's such Williams (hell, even VD and Crabtree) by squaring up and jamming the crap out of them and allowing the pass rush to get there. I wonder with the extra emphasis on the front 7 with better pass rush specialists and deeper personnel (Carradine, Lemonier and Skuta in year 2; Williams inside as the slasher) we won't be giving the QB as many easy outs anymore (i.e. no longer playing our CB's 10/15 yards off the LOS on 3rd and 5 WHILE we bring the heat on a blitz making it a simple toss-catch).
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 7, 2014 at 8:42 AM ]
Jun 7, 2014 at 9:57 AM
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Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by buck:
Where do you get stuff like this?
We did not get Bowman in the supplemental draft.
We drafted him in the 3 round with 27th overall pick overall in the 2010 draft.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/alltimedraft/
Although I'm probably guilty of some similar things as well
I think he's confused Bowman with Brooks.
Brooks came out with the supplemental draft and Cincinnati picked him up. Then released, then picked up by the Niners. I'm getting older and shouldn't remember s**t like this but yeah...memory still good on this.
Jun 7, 2014 at 10:03 AM
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Fangio bringing back the Belichick pass defense philosophy. In a nut shell, put on a good pass rush, then try to maul the faster receivers before they can get off the line. Like against the Rams in the SB.
5 yards rule be damn if they don't call it every time.
5 yards rule be damn if they don't call it every time.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Jun 7, 2014 at 10:03 AM ]
Jun 8, 2014 at 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Although I'd like to see Fangio ask his CBs to press on occasion, with the run defense among the front7 suffering due to Bow being out, the run defense will suffer further by playing press with the CBs. When playing press, the CB keys solely off the WR in front of him. The CB does not know if it's run or pass once the ball is snapped, he must assume it's a pass as he watches the WR and tries to jam at the line. This allows the WR to do one of two things that nullify the CB from effectively defending the run: run him down the field to have the CB follow the WR away from the run play, or immediately be able to get his hands on the CB and lock him up in a block. Playing with a cushion allows the CB to read run/pass much easier and if it's a run play, the CB can attack downhill on the RB if the play is coming at the CB. It'll be nice for Fangio to have the option of playing press, but it isn't hands down the better way to play defense.
This is s good topic here!
I have noticed over the years, and this was to be expected, we struggled in press with Brown/Rogers. Even when they are up tight at the LOS, they didn't seem to do a good job jamming, redirecting, disrupting, etc. routes. It was more like they were up tighter and just turned and ran with the WR.
When I watch Maxwell and Dick, both are much more squared up, aggressive and physical when they press and play that way throughout the route (which is why they only get 5 yard penalties if any at all). So "technique" is extremely important here b/c like you said, if they miss their jam and the receiver gets by them, that could be a big play...or if they are too focused on the WR, they can play themselves right out of a screen pass to that side or be lost in an off tackle run, etc.
That said, I'm happy to hear that Johnson is watching tape of Dick b/c I noticed that his technique has changed some esp. last year. I believe when they played us in the "glorified practice" game, I saw see him line up on the left side, about two or three yards off the LOS inside the receiver, angled (45-degrees) and facing the (watching the) QB . From this position, he can keep the WR outside AND keep an eye on the QB; he can turn and run with the WR on a sideline go-route or if the WR comes across the formation, he has the inside position and he can still jam him within 5 yards. If there is a run off tackle, he's already in position b/c he's watching the play develop while in motion. So in essense, he's watching the QB and WR at the same time. I also saw, as a result, him start to see the QB's body language and run all the way across the field to make a tackle right after a completion. By the way, he can also blitz off that corner as well or help "spy" and contain CK on the edge on a QB scramble. In all, he's still playing man here.
I have a feeling we may see more of this in our scheme as well esp. when we use the bigger guys such as Cook/Johnson b/c they can turn and run and have the speed to stay with WR's. In fact, both are faster than Dick.
Do you happen to have any screen shots/gifs of his technique?
So overall, it leads me to believe that we'll work on much better technique in this fashion now that we have the personnel for it in Brock/Culliver/Cook/Johnson/Ward (better square jams at the LOS, physical, tighter, more aggressive, etc.), play a tighter "off-coverage" as noted above and continue with some of our more exotic off coverage schemes to force even more confusion for the QB.
It also makes me wonder if we'll rotate in different CB packages as well depending on who we play or perhaps throughout the game. If you can have press weapons such as Cook/Johnson get some reps in games (assuming Brock/Culliver will be doing the same as well as the primary starters) while also contributing on ST coverage units, this could be an intriguing approach to changing our game plan and developing players and depth as we go. I flash back to an ice-cold Brock coming off the bench after Goldson knocked Brown out in the NFFCG against the Giants and instantly giving up a TD.
Any thoughts?
PS: Now that Seattle has lost Tate and they have a (healthy Harvin), Baldwin and Richardson, that's some speed...the last thing you want to do with speed is let them come clean off the LOS and run free, uncontested. Over the years, DB's have abused our smaller/faster WR's such Williams (hell, even VD and Crabtree) by squaring up and jamming the crap out of them and allowing the pass rush to get there. I wonder with the extra emphasis on the front 7 with better pass rush specialists and deeper personnel (Carradine, Lemonier and Skuta in year 2; Williams inside as the slasher) we won't be giving the QB as many easy outs anymore (i.e. no longer playing our CB's 10/15 yards off the LOS on 3rd and 5 WHILE we bring the heat on a blitz making it a simple toss-catch).
In the bolded, you described bail technique when Sherman is falling back to his deep third zone, watching the WR and QB. It might look like man coverage because he never backs off (post snap) more than he needs to with respect to the WR in front of him. When he plays press in man coverage, I agree he loves to use inside technique and push the WR towards the sidelines, but I usually see him with his back to the QB as he takes inside leverage.
The way SEA plays with their front8, it lends itself well to playing press on the edges whenever they call cover1man. The front8 takes takes care of the run so the CBs can focus on the WRs to turn and run with them. Whenever the 49ers have been talking about press coverage this offseason, they seem to also be talking about single high safety in the same breath. It seems as though the 49ers will compensate for the weaker run defense from the CB position, when going with press, by bringing a safety down into the box to help against the run.
A big benefit to press bump and run is to throw off the timing of the pass play. When the first read/route is slow to develop due to press technique, it throws off the timing of the subsequent reads. With a cushion, a timing pass play is defended by having the CBs read and react to the QB dropback since the QB is timing his dropback to the WR routes. Brock's two biggest plays (pick6, Bow pick6) came from him reading the QB dropback to jump a route. I get that people are excited with the talk of press coverage since SEA used that type of man coverage technique to win, but they used bump and grab, not bump and run. Unless the 49ers are willing to do that, the way they play with a cushion has more benefits IMO, and it's the only way to execute their pattern match coverages since the CB needs to see the WR he is lined up across from, as well as the adjacent WR. It's just a personal preference, but in Fangio I trust. If Fangio still values coverage disguise, we will continue to see off man coverage since it is much easier to disguise when playing with a cushion.
Jun 9, 2014 at 6:46 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Although I'd like to see Fangio ask his CBs to press on occasion, with the run defense among the front7 suffering due to Bow being out, the run defense will suffer further by playing press with the CBs. When playing press, the CB keys solely off the WR in front of him. The CB does not know if it's run or pass once the ball is snapped, he must assume it's a pass as he watches the WR and tries to jam at the line. This allows the WR to do one of two things that nullify the CB from effectively defending the run: run him down the field to have the CB follow the WR away from the run play, or immediately be able to get his hands on the CB and lock him up in a block. Playing with a cushion allows the CB to read run/pass much easier and if it's a run play, the CB can attack downhill on the RB if the play is coming at the CB. It'll be nice for Fangio to have the option of playing press, but it isn't hands down the better way to play defense.
This is s good topic here!
I have noticed over the years, and this was to be expected, we struggled in press with Brown/Rogers. Even when they are up tight at the LOS, they didn't seem to do a good job jamming, redirecting, disrupting, etc. routes. It was more like they were up tighter and just turned and ran with the WR.
When I watch Maxwell and Dick, both are much more squared up, aggressive and physical when they press and play that way throughout the route (which is why they only get 5 yard penalties if any at all). So "technique" is extremely important here b/c like you said, if they miss their jam and the receiver gets by them, that could be a big play...or if they are too focused on the WR, they can play themselves right out of a screen pass to that side or be lost in an off tackle run, etc.
That said, I'm happy to hear that Johnson is watching tape of Dick b/c I noticed that his technique has changed some esp. last year. I believe when they played us in the "glorified practice" game, I saw see him line up on the left side, about two or three yards off the LOS inside the receiver, angled (45-degrees) and facing the (watching the) QB . From this position, he can keep the WR outside AND keep an eye on the QB; he can turn and run with the WR on a sideline go-route or if the WR comes across the formation, he has the inside position and he can still jam him within 5 yards. If there is a run off tackle, he's already in position b/c he's watching the play develop while in motion. So in essense, he's watching the QB and WR at the same time. I also saw, as a result, him start to see the QB's body language and run all the way across the field to make a tackle right after a completion. By the way, he can also blitz off that corner as well or help "spy" and contain CK on the edge on a QB scramble. In all, he's still playing man here.
I have a feeling we may see more of this in our scheme as well esp. when we use the bigger guys such as Cook/Johnson b/c they can turn and run and have the speed to stay with WR's. In fact, both are faster than Dick.
Do you happen to have any screen shots/gifs of his technique?
So overall, it leads me to believe that we'll work on much better technique in this fashion now that we have the personnel for it in Brock/Culliver/Cook/Johnson/Ward (better square jams at the LOS, physical, tighter, more aggressive, etc.), play a tighter "off-coverage" as noted above and continue with some of our more exotic off coverage schemes to force even more confusion for the QB.
It also makes me wonder if we'll rotate in different CB packages as well depending on who we play or perhaps throughout the game. If you can have press weapons such as Cook/Johnson get some reps in games (assuming Brock/Culliver will be doing the same as well as the primary starters) while also contributing on ST coverage units, this could be an intriguing approach to changing our game plan and developing players and depth as we go. I flash back to an ice-cold Brock coming off the bench after Goldson knocked Brown out in the NFFCG against the Giants and instantly giving up a TD.
Any thoughts?
PS: Now that Seattle has lost Tate and they have a (healthy Harvin), Baldwin and Richardson, that's some speed...the last thing you want to do with speed is let them come clean off the LOS and run free, uncontested. Over the years, DB's have abused our smaller/faster WR's such Williams (hell, even VD and Crabtree) by squaring up and jamming the crap out of them and allowing the pass rush to get there. I wonder with the extra emphasis on the front 7 with better pass rush specialists and deeper personnel (Carradine, Lemonier and Skuta in year 2; Williams inside as the slasher) we won't be giving the QB as many easy outs anymore (i.e. no longer playing our CB's 10/15 yards off the LOS on 3rd and 5 WHILE we bring the heat on a blitz making it a simple toss-catch).
In the bolded, you described bail technique when Sherman is falling back to his deep third zone, watching the WR and QB. It might look like man coverage because he never backs off (post snap) more than he needs to with respect to the WR in front of him. When he plays press in man coverage, I agree he loves to use inside technique and push the WR towards the sidelines, but I usually see him with his back to the QB as he takes inside leverage.
The way SEA plays with their front8, it lends itself well to playing press on the edges whenever they call cover1man. The front8 takes takes care of the run so the CBs can focus on the WRs to turn and run with them. Whenever the 49ers have been talking about press coverage this offseason, they seem to also be talking about single high safety in the same breath. It seems as though the 49ers will compensate for the weaker run defense from the CB position, when going with press, by bringing a safety down into the box to help against the run.
A big benefit to press bump and run is to throw off the timing of the pass play. When the first read/route is slow to develop due to press technique, it throws off the timing of the subsequent reads. With a cushion, a timing pass play is defended by having the CBs read and react to the QB dropback since the QB is timing his dropback to the WR routes. Brock's two biggest plays (pick6, Bow pick6) came from him reading the QB dropback to jump a route. I get that people are excited with the talk of press coverage since SEA used that type of man coverage technique to win, but they used bump and grab, not bump and run. Unless the 49ers are willing to do that, the way they play with a cushion has more benefits IMO, and it's the only way to execute their pattern match coverages since the CB needs to see the WR he is lined up across from, as well as the adjacent WR. It's just a personal preference, but in Fangio I trust. If Fangio still values coverage disguise, we will continue to see off man coverage since it is much easier to disguise when playing with a cushion.
Well stated.
As to the first bold, I absolutely believe this is how they plan to use Bethea and really plays up to his strengths in run support...man he diagnoses run plays and gets down hill quickly! As to how much press+single-high-S we'll play? That I don't know but I have little doubt it will be more significantly than in past years.
Bump and grab is exactly right...like you said, even if they don't jam at the LOS, they turn, grab and run with the WR.
Personally, I still think the pattern-match/off-coverage will still be our primary base defense but think we'll have an added element of true press coverage with more physical techniques b/c we'll have the personnel for it. It's just one more design we can throw in for confusion and perhaps, give our pass rushers another second or two to get there!
Jun 9, 2014 at 7:30 AM
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Originally posted by buck:
Where do you get stuff like this?
We did not get Bowman in the supplemental draft.
We drafted him in the 3 round with 27th overall pick overall in the 2010 draft.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/alltimedraft/
I did a G-ro brain fart there. Sorry guys.
Jun 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by buck:
Where do you get stuff like this?
We did not get Bowman in the supplemental draft.
We drafted him in the 3 round with 27th overall pick overall in the 2010 draft.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/alltimedraft/
I did a G-ro brain fart there. Sorry guys.
No biggie at all.
Jun 9, 2014 at 6:00 PM
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Bluesbro:
What about Bowman in the 3rd? If he isn't a freak, I don't know who is. Kaep in the 2nd round is damn freaky too.
Yes, very much so. I think Harbaugh got lucky (but I think he's such a good QB evaluator that I'd rather think he's that good) to get a gem like Colin. As for Bowman, he's also a freak, but we got him in the supplemental draft, because of our position was lower due to our record being bad the previous year. Again, the point is that the pick of Colin and Bowman were there because of our previously bad record. If we had to trade up in the second from 32nd or 29th to get Colin, I doubt we would have gotten Colin *and* Aldon.
Again, the odds of you getting a blue chip player is higher in the first couple of rounds than the last couple of rounds, statistically speaking. And I am speaking statisticaly, we've drafted in the last 4 - three straight years. It *will* catch up to you eventually. Even in the Dynasty years, we'd occasionally - every couple of years drop to 10-6 and we'd be able to pick up some decent players because of our draft position. So, I'm desperately hoping we will get to our 4rth straight NFC CG, but *statisically speaking* that has a good probability of *not* happeneing.
You must be confused with Ahmad Brooks being selected in the supplemental by Cincinatti. And then we picked him up after he got cut.
Jun 9, 2014 at 6:39 PM
- RicetoYoung
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Originally posted by buck:
Where do you get stuff like this?
We did not get Bowman in the supplemental draft.
We drafted him in the 3 round with 27th overall pick overall in the 2010 draft.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/alltimedraft/
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but how can a 27th overall pick be in the 3rd round?