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Originally posted by KegBert:
That's what I took from it. He wasn't avoiding the question he was just pointing out that our OLB's simply aren't ever asked to play man coverage, so it's a moot point. They are asked to drop into zone sometimes but that doesn't happen often.

Brooks is usually the one dropping into coverage by play design, most of the times with Aldon it was by audible when offenses started to get smart and put the TE on his side or RBs would split out to take him out of the pass rush, and most of the time you could tell he wasn't as comfortable back peddling into coverage as he was gunning for the QB, but with a players going from DE in College to Situational pass rusher, then full time pass rusher stuff like that could be expected and all he can do is improve on that aspect of his position for when its needed.
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by KegBert:
That's what I took from it. He wasn't avoiding the question he was just pointing out that our OLB's simply aren't ever asked to play man coverage, so it's a moot point. They are asked to drop into zone sometimes but that doesn't happen often.

Brooks is usually the one dropping into coverage by play design, most of the times with Aldon it was by audible when offenses started to get smart and put the TE on his side or RBs would split out to take him out of the pass rush, and most of the time you could tell he wasn't as comfortable back peddling into coverage as he was gunning for the QB, but with a players going from DE in College to Situational pass rusher, then full time pass rusher stuff like that could be expected and all he can do is improve on that aspect of his position for when its needed.

Hell I wouldn't be mad if they never dropped Aldon into coverage. Let him do what he does best which is putting opposing QB's on their backside.
Originally posted by KegBert:
Hell I wouldn't be mad if they never dropped Aldon into coverage. Let him do what he does best which is putting opposing QB's on their backside.

Right. I don't recall anyone every asking Fred Dean or Charles Haley to drop into coverage.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Right. I don't recall anyone every asking Fred Dean or Charles Haley to drop into coverage.

thats why I said most plays with him dropping into coverage were more by force because the te would shift to his side or rb out wide offenses got smart against us when they did that because it eliminated him from the pass rush.
Originally posted by KegBert:
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
thanks for the info buck-o. I like how he avoided the question about who is better in coverage lol. I can't wait for the season bud, we are so stacked all over the depth chart. Just hoping a lot of our injured guys will be full-go by the start of the regular season.

I dont think he avoided it to make anyone look good though, I think it is more just pointing out how our defense works so far. I dont think either of our current starters at OLB are that great at coverage but Brooks is above Aldon in coverage, hell if Lemonier is great in coverage it puts one more weapon on our D where we can use it.

That's what I took from it. He wasn't avoiding the question he was just pointing out that our OLB's simply aren't ever asked to play man coverage, so it's a moot point. They are asked to drop into zone sometimes but that doesn't happen often.

No I agree that he wasn't trying to make anybody look good, just that he didn't really answer the question. He just said it wasn't very important.. and I agree that neither is very good in coverage. I like that he said lemonier reminds him of lawson in the way he moves. Lawson was quick, I believe he ran a 4.4 coming out of nc state (correct me if I'm wrong). Couple that with the fact that he benched 225 30 times and I think you got a hell of a project.
[ Edited by JimDrinkAMiller on Jun 5, 2013 at 10:13 PM ]
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Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by KegBert:
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
thanks for the info buck-o. I like how he avoided the question about who is better in coverage lol. I can't wait for the season bud, we are so stacked all over the depth chart. Just hoping a lot of our injured guys will be full-go by the start of the regular season.

I dont think he avoided it to make anyone look good though, I think it is more just pointing out how our defense works so far. I dont think either of our current starters at OLB are that great at coverage but Brooks is above Aldon in coverage, hell if Lemonier is great in coverage it puts one more weapon on our D where we can use it.

That's what I took from it. He wasn't avoiding the question he was just pointing out that our OLB's simply aren't ever asked to play man coverage, so it's a moot point. They are asked to drop into zone sometimes but that doesn't happen often.

No I agree that he wasn't trying to make anybody look good, just that he didn't really answer the question. He just said it wasn't very important.. and I agree that neither is very good in coverage. I like that he said lemonier reminds him of lawson in the way he moves. Lawson was quick, I believe he ran a 4.4 coming out of nc state (correct me if I'm wrong). Couple that with the fact that he benched 225 30 times and I think you got a hell of a project.

Slow down folks. Here was the question.

Who is better in coverage (Not today) but year 2 Lemioniar vs Brooks Next year. Interested because Lemionar ran that 4.6 and I've read he's pretty good in coverage

You have to acknowledge that question is a bit lame. How could Barrows even begin to say who would be better in coverage two years from now?

Barrows should have simply said, "It is too early to know who will be better in coverage in two years.

Instead, Barrows said:

"Coverage is not a very important trait for 49ers outside linebackers. they mostly have to be able to drop into space. Pass rush and stopping the run are far more critical."

This is true. In our 3-4 scheme, and in most 3-4 schemes, the two major responsibilities of the OLB are to set the edge and rush the passer. The third responsibility to drop into coverage--and when they do they usually play zone.

Not a bad answer; just not the best.
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Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by KegBert:
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
thanks for the info buck-o. I like how he avoided the question about who is better in coverage lol. I can't wait for the season bud, we are so stacked all over the depth chart. Just hoping a lot of our injured guys will be full-go by the start of the regular season.

I dont think he avoided it to make anyone look good though, I think it is more just pointing out how our defense works so far. I dont think either of our current starters at OLB are that great at coverage but Brooks is above Aldon in coverage, hell if Lemonier is great in coverage it puts one more weapon on our D where we can use it.

That's what I took from it. He wasn't avoiding the question he was just pointing out that our OLB's simply aren't ever asked to play man coverage, so it's a moot point. They are asked to drop into zone sometimes but that doesn't happen often.

No I agree that he wasn't trying to make anybody look good, just that he didn't really answer the question. He just said it wasn't very important.. and I agree that neither is very good in coverage. I like that he said lemonier reminds him of lawson in the way he moves. Lawson was quick, I believe he ran a 4.4 coming out of nc state (correct me if I'm wrong). Couple that with the fact that he benched 225 30 times and I think you got a hell of a project.

Slow down folks. Here was the question.

Who is better in coverage (Not today) but year 2 Lemioniar vs Brooks Next year. Interested because Lemionar ran that 4.6 and I've read he's pretty good in coverage

You have to acknowledge that question is a bit lame. How could Barrows even begin to say who would be better in coverage two years from now?

Barrows should have simply said, "It is too early to know who will be better in coverage in two years.

Instead, Barrows said:

"Coverage is not a very important trait for 49ers outside linebackers. they mostly have to be able to drop into space. Pass rush and stopping the run are far more critical."

This is true. In our 3-4 scheme, and in most 3-4 schemes, the two major responsibilities of the OLB are to set the edge and rush the passer. The third responsibility to drop into coverage--and when they do they usually play zone.

Not a bad answer; just not the best.
Originally posted by buck:
Slow down folks. Here was the question.

Who is better in coverage (Not today) but year 2 Lemioniar vs Brooks Next year. Interested because Lemionar ran that 4.6 and I've read he's pretty good in coverage

You have to acknowledge that question is a bit lame. How could Barrows even begin to say who would be better in coverage two years from now?

Barrows should have simply said, "It is too early to know who will be better in coverage in two years.

Instead, Barrows said:

"Coverage is not a very important trait for 49ers outside linebackers. they mostly have to be able to drop into space. Pass rush and stopping the run are far more critical."

This is true. In our 3-4 scheme, and in most 3-4 schemes, the two major responsibilities of the OLB are to set the edge and rush the passer. The third responsibility to drop into coverage--and when they do they usually play zone.

Not a bad answer; just not the best.

Spot on...and Brooks (SAM) drops back far more than Aldon (WILL). So Lemonier will have some drop back responsibilities but again, he will only be responsible for a particular zone with inside or over-the-top help from the others.
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