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Solution(s) to losing Crabs

Originally posted by NCommand:
As of (right now) for my 53, this is who I have: post #245 http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/171861-team-needs-updates/page17/#post245

WR (5): X = A.J. Jenkins/Ricardo Lockette Y = Quinton Patton/Kyle Williams Z = Anquan Boldin; Mario Manningham & Michael Crabtree (PUP) - Marlon Moore is right on that bubble; he can be a gunner with his speed on ST, return some and even provide that deep threat as well. Chad Hall, Joe Hastings, Chuck Jacobs all gone. Manningham is brought along slowly.

TE (3): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald and MarQueis Gray (H-back) - Cameron Morrah and Garrett Celek are gone.


Great points. I thought long and hard about Cameron Morrah as well...and Marlon Moore. I agree that if we don't develop that outside threat, we will see more 2 TE sets, more guys lining up next to CK from the Q formation and using more Boldin/McDonald from the slot...sort of a between-the-hashmarks offense. Power running mixed in with 2 dominant TE's and a chain-mover in Boldin.

I really like Gray as the darkhorse for the 3rd TE spot. I think he has a much higher ceiling than Celek, but he needs to be able to block. Would love to see him bust out this summer.

Im also on board with your 5 WR's for the 53. I don't think we see Manningham until after the BYE.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
My solution, let Jenkins, Williams, Manningham (If healthy) and Patton battle it out. It won't matter anyway Boldin or Davis will most likely be #1 and #2 reads, Gore, Hunter and James will also be there to catch passes outta the back field. The rest will be last, unless one of them really steps up.


Not this year. This year the Niners stretch the field.
They didn't/couldn't do it last year because Kaepernick only came in unexpectedly and the team wasn't prepared for him. But this QB has the arm for it and you limit the teams possible repertoire if you don't take advantage of it. AJ Jenkins will step up, because he has to (Harbaugh's words). Lockette will be a fill in from time-to-time. Maybe the Moore kid also.
This year the Niners give opposing teams headaches: The read option, the running game, the short ball, the long ball. What a nightmare!

Yah but how often will Kaepernick stretch the field with 40-50 yard go routes as opposed to completing 15-30 yard passes?? Honestly though I think Harbaugh/Roman will take more advantage of the running game now that Hunter will be back healthy. Man, that's gonna be scary if our RB's can stay healthy (knock on wood) Gore, Hunter and James, also hoping Jewel Hampton can make the squad.

Well 30 yard passes are already getting pretty much downfield. That rarely happened before Kaepernick started.

Anyway, I'm not not necessarily disagreeing with your scenarios, except to question whether Boldin and Davis are the #1 and #2 reads. If opposing defenses see that that is your MO, they are not going to worry about the long ball and ttheir defensive backfield will be cheating up to the LOS which lessens the impact of the running game. You've got to make the downfield read first. If they're cheating or are caught flat-footed, you let it fly. Kaepernick can throw, and has demonstrated, a very effective long ball. There's no shame in taking advantage of the long ball. A few of those and pretty soon opposing DBs will have to play honest and allow more room in which your running game can operate.

I agree that the RB corp can be a scary lot if they can manage to stay healthy.

Right now ii's all off-season speculation. It'll be interesting to see which strageties are employed when they actually start playing.
Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Originally posted by NCommand:
As of (right now) for my 53, this is who I have: post #245 http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/171861-team-needs-updates/page17/#post245

WR (5): X = A.J. Jenkins/Ricardo Lockette Y = Quinton Patton/Kyle Williams Z = Anquan Boldin; Mario Manningham & Michael Crabtree (PUP) - Marlon Moore is right on that bubble; he can be a gunner with his speed on ST, return some and even provide that deep threat as well. Chad Hall, Joe Hastings, Chuck Jacobs all gone. Manningham is brought along slowly.

TE (3): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald and MarQueis Gray (H-back) - Cameron Morrah and Garrett Celek are gone.


Great points. I thought long and hard about Cameron Morrah as well...and Marlon Moore. I agree that if we don't develop that outside threat, we will see more 2 TE sets, more guys lining up next to CK from the Q formation and using more Boldin/McDonald from the slot...sort of a between-the-hashmarks offense. Power running mixed in with 2 dominant TE's and a chain-mover in Boldin.

I really like Gray as the darkhorse for the 3rd TE spot. I think he has a much higher ceiling than Celek, but he needs to be able to block. Would love to see him bust out this summer.

Im also on board with your 5 WR's for the 53. I don't think we see Manningham until after the BYE.

Yeah and watching Gray in some Niner videos he looked to be explosive with the ball in his hands. He'll be learning a wide array of skills and formations out of the Q....some blocking for both RB & QB, crack back and wham blocks, splitting out, flaring out, lining up at different positions in different formations, etc. I think he may end up being a true H-back. Plus I'm sure he can play some ST as well.

Yeah, I wanted to go with 6 but we just don't run many 3 WR sets...if any at all. Plus if Marlon makes it, who do we let go? This is a tough 53 to make! Even tougher to call...predict.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Originally posted by NCommand:
As of (right now) for my 53, this is who I have: post #245 http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/171861-team-needs-updates/page17/#post245

WR (5): X = A.J. Jenkins/Ricardo Lockette Y = Quinton Patton/Kyle Williams Z = Anquan Boldin; Mario Manningham & Michael Crabtree (PUP) - Marlon Moore is right on that bubble; he can be a gunner with his speed on ST, return some and even provide that deep threat as well. Chad Hall, Joe Hastings, Chuck Jacobs all gone. Manningham is brought along slowly.

TE (3): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald and MarQueis Gray (H-back) - Cameron Morrah and Garrett Celek are gone.


Great points. I thought long and hard about Cameron Morrah as well...and Marlon Moore. I agree that if we don't develop that outside threat, we will see more 2 TE sets, more guys lining up next to CK from the Q formation and using more Boldin/McDonald from the slot...sort of a between-the-hashmarks offense. Power running mixed in with 2 dominant TE's and a chain-mover in Boldin.

I really like Gray as the darkhorse for the 3rd TE spot. I think he has a much higher ceiling than Celek, but he needs to be able to block. Would love to see him bust out this summer.

Im also on board with your 5 WR's for the 53. I don't think we see Manningham until after the BYE.

Yeah and watching Gray in some Niner videos he looked to be explosive with the ball in his hands. He'll be learning a wide array of skills and formations out of the Q....some blocking for both RB & QB, crack back and wham blocks, splitting out, flaring out, lining up at different positions in different formations, etc. I think he may end up being a true H-back. Plus I'm sure he can play some ST as well.

Yeah, I wanted to go with 6 but we just don't run many 3 WR sets...if any at all. Plus if Marlon makes it, who do we let go? This is a tough 53 to make! Even tougher to call...predict.

The one negative about those 3 TE's (if Gray makes) is that VD would be the blocking specialist. Both Gray and McDonald are relatively raw in that aspect. Maybe if Sheplar can make the roster as a FB/TE/ST player then it wouldn't be much of a concern. But I doubt the staff wants one of our best offensive weapons staying in to block in our heavy sets.
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Originally posted by 5280High:
The one negative about those 3 TE's (if Gray makes) is that VD would be the blocking specialist. Both Gray and McDonald are relatively raw in that aspect. Maybe if Sheplar can make the roster as a FB/TE/ST player then it wouldn't be much of a concern. But I doubt the staff wants one of our best offensive weapons staying in to block in our heavy sets.

I understand the concern, but you're putting the cart before the horse. Let's see how things develop after they put pads on. Sometimes rookies just "get it" after some NFL coaching... for all we know, Vance will be a better blocker than Vernon. It's far too early to attempt predictions so far down the depth chart.
Originally posted by 5280High:
The one negative about those 3 TE's (if Gray makes) is that VD would be the blocking specialist. Both Gray and McDonald are relatively raw in that aspect. Maybe if Sheplar can make the roster as a FB/TE/ST player then it wouldn't be much of a concern. But I doubt the staff wants one of our best offensive weapons staying in to block in our heavy sets.

Good point. My counter to that (and I'm sure I'm the only one who has him thus far) but I have a pure FB in Alex Debniak making the 53 as insurance should Miller go down (which is bigger than most think). He is epic and critical to our run game. With a healthy Gore, Hunter and James, you can bet we'll be running a lot. Therefore, I have Alex Debniak beating out Jason Schepler (barely) but it sounds like we might win either way here. We could go Dixon again but he's not a pure blocker and both Alex/Jason can play ST as well. I think Alex/Jason has played out of the Q formation as well? Not positive about that one...
Originally posted by Wodwo:
I understand the concern, but you're putting the cart before the horse. Let's see how things develop after they put pads on. Sometimes rookies just "get it" after some NFL coaching... for all we know, Vance will be a better blocker than Vernon. It's far too early to attempt predictions so far down the depth chart.

Good point. At close to 270, if he can get his technique and leverage down, he could be stellar at sealing the edge for James and Hunter! And perhaps he was brought in more to block to free up VD while he learns the passing game should VD ever go down.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 30, 2013 at 3:32 PM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Good point. At close to 270, if he can get his technique and leverage down, he could be stellar at sealing the edge for James and Hunter! And perhaps he was brought in more to block to free up VD while he learns the passing game should VD ever go down.

You never know. Who really thought Bruce Miller would be the starting FB his rookie season? Other than me, of course.

Alex Boone starting at RG? Srsly? 6'8'' 300 Lbs. undrafted FA alcoholic Alex Boone?

s**ts been weird since Harbaugh got here.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Good point. At close to 270, if he can get his technique and leverage down, he could be stellar at sealing the edge for James and Hunter! And perhaps he was brought in more to block to free up VD while he learns the passing game should VD ever go down.

You never know. Who really thought Bruce Miller would be the starting FB his rookie season? Other than me, of course.

Alex Boone starting at RG? Srsly? 6'8'' 300 Lbs. undrafted FA alcoholic Alex Boone?

s**ts been weird since Harbaugh got here.

Right!? Hey, who cares as long as it works. Ha
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Good point. At close to 270, if he can get his technique and leverage down, he could be stellar at sealing the edge for James and Hunter! And perhaps he was brought in more to block to free up VD while he learns the passing game should VD ever go down.

You never know. Who really thought Bruce Miller would be the starting FB his rookie season? Other than me, of course.

Alex Boone starting at RG? Srsly? 6'8'' 300 Lbs. undrafted FA alcoholic Alex Boone?

s**ts been weird since Harbaugh got here.

this just in: mcdonald being converted to DE
I've been watching some film of Vance Mcdonald and, while I hate to be a downer, he sucks. The only things worse than his blocking are his hands.

I'm sure his blocking can be improved with coaching but he's hands are a lost cause.
Originally posted by Young2Rice4TD:
I've been watching some film of Vance Mcdonald and, while I hate to be a downer, he sucks. The only things worse than his blocking are his hands.

I'm sure his blocking can be improved with coaching but he's hands are a lost cause.

That's why some Gm's considered him the #2 TE in the draft, because he sucks.

*Insert Troll photo here*
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by Young2Rice4TD:
I've been watching some film of Vance Mcdonald and, while I hate to be a downer, he sucks. The only things worse than his blocking are his hands.

I'm sure his blocking can be improved with coaching but he's hands are a lost cause.

That's why some Gm's considered him the #2 TE in the draft, because he sucks.

*Insert Troll photo here*

Just like how some GM's considered AJ Jenkins the #2 reciever in the draft.
Originally posted by Young2Rice4TD:
Just like how some GM's considered AJ Jenkins the #2 reciever in the draft.

Ummm hi.

I don't know how to feel about this.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by Young2Rice4TD:
Just like how some GM's considered AJ Jenkins the #2 reciever in the draft.

Ummm hi.

I don't know how to feel about this.

Hahahaha, lay the smack down Vet.