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Hey, I liked Delanie....right up to the time when he dropped the ball. And then again. And again. Sure he made some nice catches, nice moves , blocked well, but the drops, and there were many, just flat azz killed us. And many of those occurred on 3rd down, or RZ. He could be great....or he could be bad. And which Delanie showed up each game day was hard to say. If a guy is a receiver, TE or WR, or RB, and you can only count on him sometimes...then you got the wrong guy playing that position....and THAT was Delanie. Some good days, some bad. Unfortunately, in the BIG LEAGUES, that isn't good enough. Rally killer comes to mind. For all his really good days, dropping a ball that just had to be caught ....well, that wiped out his good days. I wish him well, but just not here.

As for who will pick up the Crabtree slack, I like SanDiego and Mbrock's comment. Vernon will see and catch more balls, and Vance is a guy that is going to surprise a lot of Ds, esp on 3rd down. I also agree with others that lockette, Patton and AJ all have a great shot at being very reliable receivers, and I will put in a plug for LMJ here also. For whatever reason, I am not that worried about our receivers. I think we will do just fine. Somebody will stand out, and someone probably will not do as well. The others probably fall into the middle, but I would guess virtually all of these guys end up being quality receivers. Patton seems to be a lock, and the guys am interested in are AJ and lockette. Both have talent, but can that be transferred to the NFL?. We'll know shortly.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on May 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM ]
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hey, I liked Delanie....right up to the time when he dropped the ball. And then again. And again. Sure he made some nice catches, nice moves , blocked well, but the drops, and there were many, just flat azz killed us. And many of those occurred on 3rd down, or RZ. He could be great....or he could be bad. And which Delanie showed up each game day was hard to say. If a guy is a receiver, TE or WR, or RB, and you can only count on him sometimes...then you got the wrong guy playing that position....and THAT was Delanie. Some good days, some bad. Unfortunately, in the BIG LEAGUES, that isn't good enough. Rally killer comes to mind. For all his really good days, dropping a ball that just had to be caught ....well, that wiped out his good days. I wish him well, but just not here.

agree with doc. i am just very happy to see, at this point in time,, the team has not opted to sign some old has been like owens or moss or some diva like miss lloyd. i love the fact that, just like the safety position,, they will throw all of the guys and kids together in one big pot and let them duke it out! that is fun and that brings out the best in everyone
I would love to see us use James in a Sproles type of role, but I think that's a pipe dream based on the offense we run.

What surprises me most about the 9ers offense is that we never run screen plays, ever! With our line being so athletic, you would figure one or two here and there would certain slow down the pass rush a little. Never see us do it though, we hardly ever throw it to the backs period.

Gore - 28
Miller - 12
Hunter - 9
James - 3

Not sure why that's the case since Gore is a great pass catcher. Plus getting Hunter and James in space with the ball could both be deadly weapons. Looking back on the 09 and 10 seasons at Stanford though, neither Gerhart (11) or Taylor (28) caught many balls.

Unless there is a great shift in offensive philosophy, I do not think we can expect our backs to be major contributors in the pass game. The more likely scenario if Patton, Jenkins or Lockette do not emerge as a reliable deep threat opposite Boldin ( I have SUPREME confidence one will emerge, but lets talk worst case ), that we will see a large % increase in a Stanford style, 3 TE / 1 WR formation. VD would play the part of the #1 option ( Fleener ), McDonald would play the part of the Red Zone threat ( Ertz ) and Celek would be the blocking TE that catches some passes ( Reuland ). We would run a ton out of this formation, but would still be a threat with play action.

In my humble opinion though, I think AJ or Lockette emerges on the outside, Patton or Williams emerges in the slot and Boldin keeps on being the #1 option like he was in Baltimore all last year, how'd that end up for them??? Throw in VD and McDonald dominating the hashes and our passing attack will collectively put up better numbers than last year..helps my argument to have an improving Kaep firing rockets for 16 games.

Oh and then we get Manningham back at the end of the year and possibly Crabs for the playoffs.

Cant wait to see the young guys mix it up in camp. The reports have been great so far!

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/young-receivers-seek-counsel-asomugha-boldin
Originally posted by Kolohe:
My solution, let Jenkins, Williams, Manningham (If healthy) and Patton battle it out. It won't matter anyway Boldin or Davis will most likely be #1 and #2 reads, Gore, Hunter and James will also be there to catch passes outta the back field. The rest will be last, unless one of them really steps up.


Not this year. This year the Niners stretch the field.
They didn't/couldn't do it last year because Kaepernick only came in unexpectedly and the team wasn't prepared for him. But this QB has the arm for it and you limit the teams possible repertoire if you don't take advantage of it. AJ Jenkins will step up, because he has to (Harbaugh's words). Lockette will be a fill in from time-to-time. Maybe the Moore kid also.
This year the Niners give opposing teams headaches: The read option, the running game, the short ball, the long ball. What a nightmare!
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hey, I liked Delanie....right up to the time when he dropped the ball. And then again. And again. Sure he made some nice catches, nice moves , blocked well, but the drops, and there were many, just flat azz killed us. And many of those occurred on 3rd down, or RZ. He could be great....or he could be bad. And which Delanie showed up each game day was hard to say. If a guy is a receiver, TE or WR, or RB, and you can only count on him sometimes...then you got the wrong guy playing that position....and THAT was Delanie. Some good days, some bad. Unfortunately, in the BIG LEAGUES, that isn't good enough. Rally killer comes to mind. For all his really good days, dropping a ball that just had to be caught ....well, that wiped out his good days. I wish him well, but just not here.

agree with doc. i am just very happy to see, at this point in time,, the team has not opted to sign some old has been like owens or moss or some diva like miss lloyd. i love the fact that, just like the safety position,, they will throw all of the guys and kids together in one big pot and let them duke it out! that is fun and that brings out the best in everyone

Totally agree with the Delanie statement. Not sure why everyone is predicting doom and gloom by losing him. Is it really a longshot to expect our Gronk Jr =

Vance 6'4" - 267 lbs, 34.375 - Arm Length, 10.125 - Hand Size, 4.69 - Forty, 33.5 - Vert, 9'11" - Broad, 4.53 - Short Shuttle, 7.08 - 3 Cone,
31 - Reps at 225
Gronk 6'6" - 258 lbs, 34.25 - Arm Length, 10.75 - Hand Size, 4.68 - Forty, 33.5 - Vert, 9'11" - Broad, 4.47 - Short Shuttle, 7.18 - 3 Cone,
23 - Reps at 225

To put up similar numbers to what Walker did last year?

21 catches
344 yards
3TD

That's less than 2 catches and 21.5 yards per game......plus a TD every 5th game.

Im gonna go "out on a limb" and say Vance outproduces Walker's 2012 numbers in his rookie year.
[ Edited by DRUSTOPO on May 30, 2013 at 10:17 AM ]
Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
I would love to see us use James in a Sproles type of role, but I think that's a pipe dream based on the offense we run.

What surprises me most about the 9ers offense is that we never run screen plays, ever! With our line being so athletic, you would figure one or two here and there would certain slow down the pass rush a little. Never see us do it though, we hardly ever throw it to the backs period.

Gore - 28
Miller - 12
Hunter - 9
James - 3

Not sure why that's the case since Gore is a great pass catcher. Plus getting Hunter and James in space with the ball could both be deadly weapons. Looking back on the 09 and 10 seasons at Stanford though, neither Gerhart (11) or Taylor (28) caught many balls.

Unless there is a great shift in offensive philosophy, I do not think we can expect our backs to be major contributors in the pass game. The more likely scenario if Patton, Jenkins or Lockette do not emerge as a reliable deep threat opposite Boldin ( I have SUPREME confidence one will emerge, but lets talk worst case ), that we will see a large % increase in a Stanford style, 3 TE / 1 WR formation. VD would play the part of the #1 option ( Fleener ), McDonald would play the part of the Red Zone threat ( Ertz ) and Celek would be the blocking TE that catches some passes ( Reuland ). We would run a ton out of this formation, but would still be a threat with play action.

In my humble opinion though, I think AJ or Lockette emerges on the outside, Patton or Williams emerges in the slot and Boldin keeps on being the #1 option like he was in Baltimore all last year, how'd that end up for them??? Throw in VD and McDonald dominating the hashes and our passing attack will collectively put up better numbers than last year..helps my argument to have an improving Kaep firing rockets for 16 games.

Oh and then we get Manningham back at the end of the year and possibly Crabs for the playoffs.

Cant wait to see the young guys mix it up in camp. The reports have been great so far!

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/young-receivers-seek-counsel-asomugha-boldin

Absolutely spot on! Well said/great post...totally agree.
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Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
My solution, let Jenkins, Williams, Manningham (If healthy) and Patton battle it out. It won't matter anyway Boldin or Davis will most likely be #1 and #2 reads, Gore, Hunter and James will also be there to catch passes outta the back field. The rest will be last, unless one of them really steps up.


Not this year. This year the Niners stretch the field.
They didn't/couldn't do it last year because Kaepernick only came in unexpectedly and the team wasn't prepared for him. But this QB has the arm for it and you limit the teams possible repertoire if you don't take advantage of it. AJ Jenkins will step up, because he has to (Harbaugh's words). Lockette will be a fill in from time-to-time. Maybe the Moore kid also.
This year the Niners give opposing teams headaches: The read option, the running game, the short ball, the long ball. What a nightmare!

Yah but how often will Kaepernick stretch the field with 40-50 yard go routes as opposed to completing 15-30 yard passes?? Honestly though I think Harbaugh/Roman will take more advantage of the running game now that Hunter will be back healthy. Man, that's gonna be scary if our RB's can stay healthy (knock on wood) Gore, Hunter and James, also hoping Jewel Hampton can make the squad.
Seems to me like Kaep started out looking for the deep ball in his first few games, then -- either the coaches told him to or Kaep on his own -- began to take the shorter, intermediate routes more often instead of the deep option. I think it's the former. They probably told him to take the higher percentage short to intermediate to move the chains and continuity, instead of the low percentage deep routes that have big play potential but lack the percentage to continue the drive with conversions.

I remember Kaep usually look and try to hit for Moss a few times when he first got on the field. Then slowly we just don't see that anymore. We get Kaep throwing intermediate and sometimes short. I think Kaep's money maker is his intermediate ball. On a rope about 15-20 yds downfield. With that arm strength it gets there quick
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on May 30, 2013 at 10:54 AM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Seems to me like Kaep started out looking for the deep ball in his first few games, then -- either the coaches told him to or Kaep on his own -- began to take the shorter, intermediate routes more often instead of the deep option. I think it's the former. They probably told him to take the higher percentage short to intermediate to move the chains and continuity, instead of the low percentage deep routes that have big play potential but lack the percentage to continue the drive with conversions.

I remember Kaep usually look and try to hit for Moss a few times when he first got on the field. Then slowly we just don't see that anymore. We get Kaep throwing intermediate and sometimes short. I think Kaep's money maker is his intermediate ball. On a rope about 15-20 yds downfield. With that arm strength it gets there quick

Great article on completion % for each level of the field.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/03/20/adot-adjusted-completion-percentage/

"This article will include 10 charts. We'll look at the best and worst Actual vs. Expected marks in five categories: All Throws, Behind the Line of Scrimmage, 0-to-9 yards, 10-to-19 yards, and 20+ yard throws."


Who was the best at passes 20+ yards??? You guessed it Colin =


"Finally, we have the long balls. Kaepernick proved to be an outstanding deep-ball passer during his rookie season, connecting on 25-of-49 throws 20-plus yards down field."

+20 yard passes

1. Kaepernick
2. Newton
3. Rogers
4. Peyton
5. RGIII
6. Brees
7. Alex
8. Wilson
9. Schaub
10. Ryan

Interesting to see Alex this high, but then again, he only attempted 19 of those throws.
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Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Seems to me like Kaep started out looking for the deep ball in his first few games, then -- either the coaches told him to or Kaep on his own -- began to take the shorter, intermediate routes more often instead of the deep option. I think it's the former. They probably told him to take the higher percentage short to intermediate to move the chains and continuity, instead of the low percentage deep routes that have big play potential but lack the percentage to continue the drive with conversions.

I remember Kaep usually look and try to hit for Moss a few times when he first got on the field. Then slowly we just don't see that anymore. We get Kaep throwing intermediate and sometimes short. I think Kaep's money maker is his intermediate ball. On a rope about 15-20 yds downfield. With that arm strength it gets there quick

Great article on completion % for each level of the field.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/03/20/adot-adjusted-completion-percentage/

"This article will include 10 charts. We'll look at the best and worst Actual vs. Expected marks in five categories: All Throws, Behind the Line of Scrimmage, 0-to-9 yards, 10-to-19 yards, and 20+ yard throws."


Who was the best at passes 20+ yards??? You guessed it Colin =


"Finally, we have the long balls. Kaepernick proved to be an outstanding deep-ball passer during his rookie season, connecting on 25-of-49 throws 20-plus yards down field."

+20 yard passes

1. Kaepernick
2. Newton
3. Rogers
4. Peyton
5. RGIII
6. Brees
7. Alex
8. Wilson
9. Schaub
10. Ryan

Interesting to see Alex this high, but then again, he only attempted 19 of those throws.

I appreciate the post and article, but that's just too much numbers for me to follow. Gave me a freak'n headache. I believe you and the article --whatever it was trying to say. Go Kaep!

Makes me wonder if he account for YAC on these catch numbers....
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on May 30, 2013 at 11:46 AM ]
man karma sure does work sometimes. Crabs holds out like a douche when he was drafted and even missed games and finally signed at the last second possible. now finally healthy and coming off a good year headed into his contract year dude gets a serious injury.
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Originally posted by susweel:
man karma sure does work sometimes. Crabs holds out like a douche when he was drafted and even missed games and finally signed at the last second possible. now finally healthy and coming off a good year headed into his contract year dude gets a serious injury.

Not a contract year.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:
man karma sure does work sometimes. Crabs holds out like a douche when he was drafted and even missed games and finally signed at the last second possible. now finally healthy and coming off a good year headed into his contract year dude gets a serious injury.

Not a contract year.

you sure about that