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GUESS THE 53!!

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Let me do a new 46 man projection.

1. QB Colin Kaepernick
2. QB Colt McCoy
3. RB Frank Gore
4. RB Kendall Hunter
5. RB LaMichael James
6. RB/FB/ST Anthony Dixon
7. FB Bruce Miller
8. WR Anquan Boldin
9. WR Marlon Moore
10. WR Kyle Williams
11. WR Quinton Patton
12. TE Vernon Davis
13. TE Vance McDonald
14. C Jonathan Goodwin
15. C/OG Daniel Kilgore
16. LG Mike Iupati
17. RG Alex Boone
18. RG/OT Adam Snyder
19. LT Joe Staley
20. RT Anthony Davis
21. DE Justin Smith
22. DE Ray McDonald
23. NT Ian Williams
24. NT/DE Glenn Dorsey
25. OLB Aldon Smith
26. OLB Ahmad Brooks
27. OLB Corey Lemonier
28. OLB Dan Skuta
29. ILB Patrck Willis
30. ILB NaVorro Bowman
31. ILB Michael Wilhoite
32. ILB Nick Moody
33. CB Carlos Rogers
34. CB Tarell Brown
35. CB Nnamdi Asomugha
36. CB Perrish Cox
37. FS Eric Reid
38. FS/SS Craig Dahl
39. FS/SS C.J. Spillman
40. SS Donte Whitner
41. PK Phil Dawson
42. P Andy Lee
43. LS Brian Jennings
44. TE Garrett Celek
45. CB Tramaine Brock
46. DE Will Tukuafu

Inactive 7:

47. QB B.J. Daniels
48. LG/C Joe Looney
49. WR Jon Baldwin
50. OLB Cam Johnson
51. DE Tony Jerod-Eddie
52. TE MarQuies Gray or S Trenton Robinson or a WR
53. CB Marcus Cooper or Darryl Morris
54. DE Demarcus Dobbs (Suspended list for 1 week)

AB, fantastic job and VERY hard to argue any of these save for the #46 in Will Tukuafu. He would be replaced by Baldwin or ST aces such as TE MarQuies Gray or S Trenton Robinson, CB Marcus Cooper or Darryl Morris (gunner). It is possible someone could unseat Brock as well and Jennings might be out altogether; either replaced by Kevin McDermott or this position alleviated d/t Kilgore/Looney/Goodwin taking these snaps. But when you look at the 46, the other spots are pretty irrelevant (hardest to figure out too). They are Triple A while the Practice Squad is Double A ball.
Originally posted by NCommand:
AB, fantastic job and VERY hard to argue any of these save for the #46 in Will Tukuafu. He would be replaced by Baldwin or ST aces such as TE MarQuies Gray or S Trenton Robinson, CB Marcus Cooper or Darryl Morris (gunner). It is possible someone could unseat Brock as well and Jennings might be out altogether; either replaced by Kevin McDermott or this position alleviated d/t Kilgore/Looney/Goodwin taking these snaps. But when you look at the 46, the other spots are pretty irrelevant (hardest to figure out too). They are Triple A while the Practice Squad is Double A ball.

Kilgore, Looney, or Goodwin will not become our long snapper. A specialist will handle the long snapping duties. Very possible we go with McDermott due to financial considerations, though.

And he has Tukuafu in there because only 4 active DLs isn't a great idea--regardless of Aldon and Brooks being able to play some down DE in a 4-man line.
[ Edited by JamesGatz83 on Aug 29, 2013 at 6:54 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
After game 3: A few players have worked themselves into conversations but not much changed for me...yet!

Offense: (25)
QB (3): Colin Kaepernick, Colt McCoy and B.J. Daniels - Note: It will be the Seneca Wallace-show on Thursday (if we get no bidders for McCoy).
RB (4): Frank Gore, LaMichael James, Kendall Hunter and Anthony Dixon; Marcus Lattimore (PUP) - Note: Jewel Hampton had another good game yesterday and is just a work-horse in the Gore-mold. He is a better runner than James at this point IMHO.
FB (1): Bruce Miller - Note: It's very risky not to have a pure FB here. If Miller goes down, we're in big trouble. Dixon is not a good FB/blocker and often times misses pass blocking assignments. Jason Scheplar had a great game yesterday.
WR (6): X = Marlon Moore/Jon Baldwin --- Y = Kyle Williams/Chad Hall --- Z = Anquan Boldin/Quinton Patton; Mario Manningham & Michael Crabtree (PUP) - Note: Hall will be the #6 (he started with the #1's yesterday). BUT, if Lavelle Hawkins shows again on return abilities, he could very well push Hall right off the roster. Even Osgood could be a #7 here to back up Boldin at the Z and be that RZ threat and ST gunner (two tackles yesterday and always around the ball). And this ST unit continues to be under the microscope right now (as it should be).
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald and MarQueis Gray (H-Back) - Note: Garrett Celek is my surprise cut here b/c of the versatility Gray will provide plus he'll be a very good ST players as well. He even wears #46 in the Delanie Walker mold. Celek has not looked good this pre season and dropped another pass yesterday but had fantastic seal blocks. Could we go with 4 TE's and only 5 WR's given VD is going to be lined up "everywhere?"
OT (3): Joe Staley, Anthony Davis and Adam Snyder (Alex Boone); Luke Marquardt (PUP) - Note: Let's pray Marquardt is the real deal b/c right now, we have very poor T's behind the starters and one injury could very well mess with the OL's chemistry. Are we going after a veteran OT?
OG (3): Mike Iupati, Alex Boone and Joe Looney (Adam Snyder) - Note: Looney did not have a good game yesterday.
C (2): Jonathan Goodwin and Daniel Kilgore (Joe Looney) - Note: Jonathan Goodwin played well yesterday still may end up being a late veteran cut or restructures his contract for a backup role if Kilgore continue to play well.

Defense: (25)
DE (3): Justin Smith, Ray McDonald and Demarcus Dobbs; Quinton Dial & Tank Carradine (PUP) - Note: Lawrence Okoye played well yesterday and could very well end up on the PS.
NT (2): Ian Williams and Glenn Dorsey - Note: I anticipate Lamar Divens going to the practice squad to develop ala Ian Williams.
OLB (5): Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Corey Lemonier, Dan Skuta and Cameron Johnson - Note: Parys Haralson was just traded. Now, do we keep 4 OLB's or 5? I'll stay with Fangio's guy at #5 for now.
ILB (4): Patrick Willis, NaVorro Bowman, Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody
CB (6): Tarell Brown, Carlos Rogers, Nnamdi Asomugha, Perrish Cox, Tramaine Brock and Marcus Cooper; Chris Culliver & Eric Wright (PUP) - Note: Darryl Morris is playing very well and has been playing fantastic in practice. It's not over yet. Both Cooper and Morris could very well end up pushing Brock off the roster but it's a long shot right now.
S (5): Donte Whitner, Eric Reid, Craig Dahl, C.J. Spillman and Trenton Robinson - Note: Trenton Robinson had a decent camp but is esp. good on the ST coverage unit.

Special Teams: (3)
PK: Phil Dawson
P: Andy Lee
LS: Kevin McDermott - Note: I go back and forth with Brian Jennings/Kevin McDermott daily...or both not making it at all (to save a roster spot and add ST coverage); Kilgore/Looney/Goodwin can all handle the LS duties opening up another roster spot for ST coverage.

Extras:
Final Spots: Chad Hall, MarQueis Gray, Cameron Johnson and Trenton Robinson are all vying for the final spots. Lavelle Hawkins could very well be in the mix against Hall IF he proves his return abilities (and 6th WR abilities) are for real/consistent.

Pre-Chargers game update. I think Gray had a much better camp overall then Celek but he'll have to do a it again tonight to unseat him as Celek (last game) demonstrated he's a good edge-sealing TE (dropped a great pass though). I think Gray just adds way too much versatility in the role of the other #46, Delanie Walker.
[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 29, 2013 at 7:02 AM ]
Originally posted by fister30:
Sorry for multiple posts. Getting used to this phone.

I'm not convinced baldwin makes the roster. Right now id rather have collie or jacobs instead of baldwin. This is more of a want than what I expect.

You'd rather have Chuck Jacobs than Jon Baldwin? Based on what?
Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
Kilgore, Looney, or Goodwin will not become our long snapper. A specialist will handle the long snapping duties. Very possible we go with McDermott due to financial considerations, though.

And he has Tukuafu in there because only 4 active DLs isn't a great idea--regardless of Aldon and Brooks being able to play some down DE in a 4-man line.

Most lilkely, I agree with you but I wouldn't put it past this coaching staff to think (and decide) outside the box to get another younger player on the 46 and ST coverage unit. With our Q formation, Kilgore, Looney and Goodwin ALL long-snap every day in the shot gun. But in reality, Kevin McDermott seems to have had a very good camp (no LS errors) and he's cheaper and younger and "may" even be able to help on ST coverage units himself.

No way we keep Tukuafu active over someone like WR Jon Baldwin. If we go 5 active DL on game day, someone else will become inactive (not sure who that would be). Ideas? That said, Tukuafu probably won't even make the team esp. over Dobbs who's been running with the #1's all off season.
Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
You'd rather have Chuck Jacobs than Jon Baldwin? Based on what?

What I've seen this preseason. Both are unproven but jacobs seems kike he's working harder. Just an observation.
Originally posted by fister30:
What I've seen this preseason. Both are unproven but jacobs seems kike he's working harder. Just an observation.

How does one judge working harder?
[ Edited by natrone06 on Aug 29, 2013 at 7:18 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Most lilkely, I agree with you but I wouldn't put it past this coaching staff to think (and decide) outside the box to get another younger player on the 46 and ST coverage unit. With our Q formation, Kilgore, Looney and Goodwin ALL long-snap every day in the shot gun. But in reality, Kevin McDermott seems to have had a very good camp (no LS errors) and he's cheaper and younger and "may" even be able to help on ST coverage units himself.

No way we keep Tukuafu active over someone like WR Jon Baldwin. If we go 5 active DL on game day, someone else will become inactive (not sure who that would be). Ideas? That said, Tukuafu probably won't even make the team esp. over Dobbs who's been running with the #1's all off season.

Your idea would be great in theory, as I don't love using a roster spot on a snapper either, but there's a reason everyone does it in both the pro and college games.

Shotgun-snapping and long-snapping are not really comparable. Huge differences in the mechanics of both.

In the shotgun you're essentially just flicking the ball back there with a stiff arm and wrist. You don't want too much velocity or rotation, and the ball is only traveling 4-5 yards.

With a punt snap you're extending both your arms fully and essentially sling-shotting the ball back there with as much velocity as possible. You have to get it to travel 15 yards as quickly and accurately as possible. I used to coach HS ball and our center was very rarely our long snapper. Almost anyone can snap in the gun. Long-snapping is a different thing entirely. Much more difficult to do it well.
Originally posted by natrone06:
Originally posted by fister30:
What I've seen this preseason. Both are unproven but jacobs seems kike he's working harder. Just an observation.

How does one judge working harder?

Seriously, I'd be curious to know. Baldwin played about 25 snaps in one preseason game and made 2 nice catches but somehow wasn't working as hard as Jacobs.

Please god, let the real season start already.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Most lilkely, I agree with you but I wouldn't put it past this coaching staff to think (and decide) outside the box to get another younger player on the 46 and ST coverage unit. With our Q formation, Kilgore, Looney and Goodwin ALL long-snap every day in the shot gun. But in reality, Kevin McDermott seems to have had a very good camp (no LS errors) and he's cheaper and younger and "may" even be able to help on ST coverage units himself.

No way we keep Tukuafu active over someone like WR Jon Baldwin. If we go 5 active DL on game day, someone else will become inactive (not sure who that would be). Ideas? That said, Tukuafu probably won't even make the team esp. over Dobbs who's been running with the #1's all off season.

I would rather deactivate Boobie Dixon, keep the 5th DL active, and activate Jon Baldwin, like I mentioned earlier. We use our TEs in the backfield in pistol sets quite frequently anyway, so we wouldn't be in a terrible spot if Bruce Miller got dinged up and Boobie was inactive. Plus, with all of the LBs active (Moody and Skuta particularly), I'm not positive we really need Boobie on STs either.

We shall see, though. Will be interesting.
Originally posted by fister30:
Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
You'd rather have Chuck Jacobs than Jon Baldwin? Based on what?

What I've seen this preseason. Both are unproven but jacobs seems kike he's working harder. Just an observation.

Chuck Jacobs will not make the team instead of JB. Jacobs will probably make the PS, unless they find somebody better to develop. JB gives them a big redzone target at WR, which they need against big CB's. He will probably be on the active 46.
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Originally posted by Wrathman:
Originally posted by fister30:
Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
You'd rather have Chuck Jacobs than Jon Baldwin? Based on what?

What I've seen this preseason. Both are unproven but jacobs seems kike he's working harder. Just an observation.

Chuck Jacobs will not make the team instead of JB. Jacobs will probably make the PS, unless they find somebody better to develop. JB gives them a big redzone target at WR, which they need against big CB's. He will probably be on the active 46.

I think Baldwin will do more than make the active 46. I think he'll be our #3 receiver.
Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
I would rather deactivate Boobie Dixon, keep the 5th DL active, and activate Jon Baldwin, like I mentioned earlier. We use our TEs in the backfield in pistol sets quite frequently anyway, so we wouldn't be in a terrible spot if Bruce Miller got dinged up and Boobie was inactive. Plus, with all of the LBs active (Moody and Skuta particularly), I'm not positive we really need Boobie on STs either.

We shall see, though. Will be interesting.

Dixon won't ever be inactive. He'll be cut before becoming inactive. ST dictates this. He's a ST coverage guy first, a short yardage back secondly (and not very important actually). His FB backup duties are an afterthought.

I expect Baldwin to be inactive for a couple of games, unless he amazes everyone with his quick command of the playbook.
[ Edited by paulk205 on Aug 29, 2013 at 8:38 AM ]
Originally posted by Wrathman:
Chuck Jacobs will not make the team instead of JB. Jacobs will probably make the PS, unless they find somebody better to develop. JB gives them a big redzone target at WR, which they need against big CB's. He will probably be on the active 46.

I agree that jacobs won't make the cut. This is more of a hope than what I expect. To me, baldwin is a guy who is going to disappear during games or fall down the depth chart in just a few games. He doesn't look explosive, he hasn't gotten much separation, so forth. Hopefully he proves me wrong, I would enjoy for him to prove me wrong. I just don't think he will. With Jacobs, he is an undrafted guy. He knows he always has one foot out of the NFL. He has no choice but to try to out work his competition. Jacobs is having a nice preseason. Baldwin is a SEC WR who's game isn't going to translate to the NFL. At best I see baldwin as a guy who can block well and make some of the short catches while covered. This doesn't get me excited. At some point, we will have two better versions of baldwin available in crabs and boldin. Might as well get a guy who can get separation or actually run away from somebody after the catch, whether this be jacobs, collie or whoever.

I am grateful for patton. Patton seems like the real deal.
[ Edited by fister30 on Aug 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM ]
Anybody read that PFT article on Mccoys pay cut? If he is the backup and dresses on gameday, he basically didn't take a paycut.

I've been thinking about it, and call me crazy, do you think we'd dress BJ instead and have him play some snaps as a SAK. And only dress Colt if Kaep or BJ couldn't go?