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[ Edited by Gore_21 on Aug 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM ]
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Updated 8/19 (Man has this changed a lot in the past few weeks)
QB's (3): Colin Kaepernick, Colt McCoy, BJ Daniels
RB's (4): Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, LaMichael James, Anthony Dixon
FB's (1): Bruce Miller
WR's (6): Anquan Boldin, Marlon Moore, Kyle Williams, Jon Baldwin, Quinton Patton, Austin Collie or Chad Hall (I'd Take Collie)
TE's (3): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald, Marquise Gray (Very Close w/ Celek)
OL (8): Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Jonathan Goodwin, Alex Boone, Anthony Davis, Daniel Kilgore, Adam Snyder, Joe Looney
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DL (6): Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Ian Williams, Glenn Dorsey, Demarcus Dobbs, Will Tukuafu
OLB (5): Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson, Corey Lemonier, Dan Skuta (Don't Count Out Cam)
ILB's (4): Patrick Willis, NaVorro Bowman, Michael Wilhoite, Nick Moody
CB's (5): Tarell Brown, Carlos Rogers, Nnamdi Asomugha, Perrish Cox, Tramaine Brock (If 6 Wright or Cooper)
S's (5): Donte Whitner, Eric Reid, Craig Dahl, C.J. Spillman, Robinson (Don't Count out Thomas over Robinson)
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ST: (3) K: Phil Dawson, P: Andy Lee, LS: Brian Jennings

Tank Carradine PUP, Quinton Dial PUP, Manningham PUP
Lattimore IR, Culliver IR, Crabtree IR (designated player to come back), Marquardt IR or PUP

This looks spot on. As far as the one-on-one battles, here are my predictions.

WR -- Collie over Hall
TE -- Celek over Gray
OLB -- Skuta over Cam Johnson. Cam still could make roster if we drop Moody and have Skuta backup both ILB / OLB.
CB -- We keep 5. Both Wright and Cooper get cut.
S -- Thomas over Robinson.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
This looks spot on. As far as the one-on-one battles, here are my predictions.

WR -- Collie over Hall
TE -- Celek over Gray
OLB -- Skuta over Cam Johnson. Cam still could make roster if we drop Moody and have Skuta backup both ILB / OLB.
CB -- We keep 5. Both Wright and Cooper get cut.
S -- Thomas over Robinson.

-I take Collie over Hall but think they take Hall.
-I take Gray over Celek but they could go with Celek.
-Skuta probably wins because he can play ST and backup ILB. Johnson might have more potential. Back to PS for him.
-I think we keep 5 to. Maybe we put Wright on PUP and see if we need him week 7 and on. Cooper to PS, legit shot at team next year.
-Haven't keyed in on S too much besides Reid so I'm not sure but Robinson being the draft pick might have the edge. Thomas can play CB as well though.

My PS would be: Stupar, C. Johnson, Jacobs, Cooper, Morris, Bykowski, Purcell or Divens, Gray (if doesn't make the team)
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Aug 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM ]
A couple notes, If a player has at least 4 yrs in accrued seasons, their salary becomes guaranteed after week 1 if on roster.

Player notes.

Goodwin has an extra $1M guarantee due to the redo. So I see him sticking for 2013.

Baldwin's 2013 cap is guaranteed, but he isnt a lock.

Remember that Mario and Crabs likely back, so 2 must go when back. Which is why I made the 1st point on salaries being guaranteed after week 1.
When Manningham comes back I'm thinking Collie or Hall will be gone but when Crabtree comes back we might just keep 7 and get rid of a player from another position. Depends on how Moore and Baldwin are doing but don't see them cutting either when he comes back. Then again could could go with 7 when Manningham comes back and cut someone from another position if Collie or Hall are doing well. Then when Crabtree comes back can't keep 8 so worst one goes.

Also, seems like we are content letting Lattimore, Culliver, Marquardt spend the season on IR and possibly Carradine and Dial. Seems like those guys were picked for the future knowing they could spend the season on PUP or IR. Next year will have a lot of new faces. A lot of free agents as well that could be gone.
Wright is NFI at the moment and will stay there to start the season, he doesn't need to be cut.

That roster looks right, Collie over Hall, Skuta over Johnson, Celek over Gray.
Originally posted by Gore_21:
When Manningham comes back I'm thinking Collie or Hall will be gone but when Crabtree comes back we might just keep 7 and get rid of a player from another position. Depends on how Moore and Baldwin are doing but don't see them cutting either when he comes back. Then again could could go with 7 when Manningham comes back and cut someone from another position if Collie or Hall are doing well. Then when Crabtree comes back can't keep 8 so worst one goes.

Also, seems like we are content letting Lattimore, Culliver, Marquardt spend the season on IR and possibly Carradine and Dial. Seems like those guys were picked for the future knowing they could spend the season on PUP or IR. Next year will have a lot of new faces. A lot of free agents as well that could be gone.

I agree 100% Gore_21. They may be on NFI the entire season though, I think, but not 100% sure, NFI players keep full salaries, so they wouldn't screw with them, and not pay them the full money, unlike Carswell, Debniak, and maybe Fleming, who are on IR.

I think Carradine, and Dial will be back, probably at expense of Dobbs and Tukuafu. I like the 7 WRs, keep the top 5, plus Mario and Crabs.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I agree 100% Gore_21. They may be on NFI the entire season though, I think, but not 100% sure, NFI players keep full salaries, so they wouldn't screw with them, and not pay them the full money, unlike Carswell, Debniak, and maybe Fleming, who are on IR.

I think Carradine, and Dial will be back, probably at expense of Dobbs and Tukuafu. I like the 7 WRs, keep the top 5, plus Mario and Crabs.

Do you know if the NFI list they can come back at any time during the season? Is it like PUP where they have to come back after week 6 or go to IR if they aren't ready? I want Carradine and Dial to be good enough to eventually make Dobbs and Tukuafu expendable and make us not have to re-sign them next year (probably won't anyways). However, with Carradine and Dial not practicing at all and not playing any games you really think they can bring those guys in week 7 after PUP and have them play backup. Doesn't seem like they would be ready after not practicing at all to just go and cut Dobbs and Tukuafu when they come back week 7. That's why I could see them going to IR for the year. Otherwise, have to have them inactive every week after 6 and have them use a roster spot until they get some practice and are ready to go for a game. Could be 3-4 5 weeks before they are up to speed.

And yes NFL does a good job complicating all the rules and lists, etc. I still can't fully understand all that goes with IR, NFI, PUP and what the rules and how the salaries work with each list.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Aug 20, 2013 at 12:00 AM ]
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I agree 100% Gore_21. They may be on NFI the entire season though, I think, but not 100% sure, NFI players keep full salaries, so they wouldn't screw with them, and not pay them the full money, unlike Carswell, Debniak, and maybe Fleming, who are on IR.

I think Carradine, and Dial will be back, probably at expense of Dobbs and Tukuafu. I like the 7 WRs, keep the top 5, plus Mario and Crabs.

Do you know if the NFI list they can come back at any time during the season? Is it like PUP where they have to come back after week 6 or go to IR if they aren't ready? I want Carradine and Dial to be good enough to eventually make Dobbs and Tukuafu expendable and make us not have to re-sign them next year (probably won't anyways). However, with Carradine and Dial not practicing at all and not playing any games you really think they can bring those guys in week 7 after PUP and have them play backup. Doesn't seem like they would be ready after not practicing at all to just go and cut Dobbs and Tukuafu when they come back week 7. That's why I could see them going to IR for the year. Otherwise, have to have them inactive every week after 6 and have them use a roster spot until they get some practice and are ready to go for a game. Could be 3-4 5 weeks before they are up to speed.

And yes NFL does a good job complicating all the rules and lists, etc. I still can't fully understand all that goes with IR, NFI, PUP and what the rules and how the salaries work with each list.

Yeah it's a messed up league for sure. NFI guys are also 6 weeks, like PUP players. I think they get the money, unlike IR guys who have split contracts, like Carswell and Debniak.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Updated after Game 2:

Offense: (25)
QB (3): Colin Kaepernick, Colt McCoy and BJ Daniels - Note: Have no clue where Seneca Wallace fits in.
RB (4): Frank Gore, LaMichael James, Kendall Hunter and Anthony Dixon; Marcus Lattimore (PUP) - Note: Jewel Hampton is a better pure runner than James though.
FB (1): Bruce Miller - Note: It's very risky not to have a pure FB here. If Miller goes down, we're in big trouble. Dixon is not a good FB/blocker and often times misses pass blocking assignments.
WR (6): X = Marlon Moore/Jon Baldwin --- Y = Kyle Williams/Quinton Patton/Chad Hall --- Z = Anquan Boldin; Mario Manningham & Michael Crabtree (PUP) - Note: Hall will be the #6. All of these guys play very well on ST: Williams, Moore, Hall, Osgood, etc. Austin is similar to Hall, same age, but has head injuries and doesn't play ST. IWith our top gunner gone in Lockette, Osgood could be a #7 here to back up Boldin at the Z and be that RZ threat and ST gunner. And this ST unit is under the microscope right now (as it should be).
TE (4): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald, Garrett Celek and MarQueis Gray (H-Back)
OT (3): Joe Staley, Anthony Davis and Adam Snyder; Luke Marquardt (PUP) - Note: Let's pray Marquardt is the real deal b/c right now, we have very poor T's behind the starters and one injury could very well mess with the OL's chemistry.
OG (3): Mike Iupati, Alex Boone and Joe Looney, (Adam Snyder)
C (1): Daniel Kilgore (Joe Looney) - Note: Jonathan Goodwin may end up getting cut or restructures his contract for a backup role if both Kilgore/Looney continue to excel here.

Defense: (25)
DE (3): Justin Smith, Ray McDonald and Demarcus Dobbs; Quinton Dial & Tank Carradine (PUP) - Note: Lawrence Okoye to the PS.
NT (3): Ian Williams, Glenn Dorsey and Lamar Divens - Note: Both Dorsey and Divens have stepped up their game and Dorsey can play DE as well. Divens appears to be a pure 2-gap disruptive NT. Even with the 1 game suspension for Dobbs, no need for a guy like Will Tukuafu anymore.
OLB (5): Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson, Corey Lemonier and Dan Skuta - Note: Cameron Johnson is playing really well sadly.
ILB (4): Patrick Willis, NaVorro Bowman, Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody
CB (6): Tarell Brown, Carlos Rogers, Nnamdi Asomugha, Perrish Cox, Tramaine Brock and Daryl Morris; Chris Culliver & Eric Wright (PUP) - Note: Marcus Cooper is playing very disciplined/physical outside (love his size) and Darryl Morris has been playing fantastic in practice. It's not over yet. Both Cooper and Morris could very well end up pushing Brock off the roster but it's a long shot right now.
S (4): Donte Whitner, Eric Reid, Craig Dahl and C.J. Spillman - Note: Trenton Robinson is small/short but is having a decent camp.

Special Teams: (3)
PK: Phil Dawson
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings - Note: God has the edge naturally and I haven't noted any snaps by Kevin McDermott thus far. LS is a position we could eliminate with all the LS's we have in Kilgore, Looney, etc. who may also be able to provide coverage on kickoffs. But let's be real here...this is God we're talking about! Question: Do we really need a Long Snapper? Kilgore and Looney can snap as well as others and some can play on ST coverage units as well. Also, we have a major weakness at OT. I'm expecting us to sign a veteran very soon! I am heavy on WR and CB right now.

Guys, this is good information that may help with your 53:

Here's a look at the players who are eligible for the practice squad this season: http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/08/21/consolation-prize-who-could-land-on-the-practice-squad/
[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 23, 2013 at 8:40 AM ]
Our prctice squad is going to be epic (for about 30 minutes):

RB Jewel Hampton
WR Chuck Jacobs, Ricardo Lockette
T * Luke Marquardt
DL Lamar Divens, Lawrence Okoye
OLB Cam Johnson
CB Marcus Cooper

Pick your 8!
[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Guys, this is good information that may help with your 53:

Here's a look at the players who are eligible for the practice squad this season (players expected to make the 53-man roster in bold):

QB B.J. Daniels, Scott Tolzien
RB Jewel Hampton, D.J. Harper, * Marcus Lattimore, LaMichael James
FB Jason Schepler
WR Chuck Jacobs, Ricardo Lockette, Quinton Patton
TE MarQueis Gray, Vance McDonald
T Carter Bykowski, Luke Marquardt, Kenny Wiggins, Patrick Omameh
G * Al Netter, Wayne Tribue, Joe Looney
DL* Tank Carradine,* Quinton Dial, Lamar Divens, Tony Jerod-Eddie, Lawrence Okoye, Mike Purcell, Ian Williams
OLB Cam Johnson, Travis Johnson, Corey Lemonier
ILB Nate Stupar, Michael Wilhoite, Nick Moody
CB Marcus Cooper, Darryl Morris
S Trenton Robinson, Michael Thomas, Eric Reid
P Colton Schmidt

* On non-football injury list (NFI). Can be retained without being placed on practice squad.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/08/21/consolation-prize-who-could-land-on-the-practice-squad/

The list is wrong, Netter isnt on NFI, Marquardt is. And likely goes IR or NFI for the season.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Guys, this is good information that may help with your 53:

Here's a look at the players who are eligible for the practice squad this season (players expected to make the 53-man roster in bold):

QB B.J. Daniels, Scott Tolzien
RB Jewel Hampton, D.J. Harper, * Marcus Lattimore, LaMichael James
FB Jason Schepler
WR Chuck Jacobs, Ricardo Lockette, Quinton Patton
TE MarQueis Gray, Vance McDonald
T Carter Bykowski, Luke Marquardt, Kenny Wiggins, Patrick Omameh
G * Al Netter, Wayne Tribue, Joe Looney
DL* Tank Carradine,* Quinton Dial, Lamar Divens, Tony Jerod-Eddie, Lawrence Okoye, Mike Purcell, Ian Williams
OLB Cam Johnson, Travis Johnson, Corey Lemonier
ILB Nate Stupar, Michael Wilhoite, Nick Moody
CB Marcus Cooper, Darryl Morris
S Trenton Robinson, Michael Thomas, Eric Reid
P Colton Schmidt

* On non-football injury list (NFI). Can be retained without being placed on practice squad.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/08/21/consolation-prize-who-could-land-on-the-practice-squad/

The list is wrong, Netter isnt on NFI, Marquardt is. And likely goes IR or NFI for the season.

Agreed...saw Netter play last week I believe. Any other errors?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Guys, this is good information that may help with your 53:

Here's a look at the players who are eligible for the practice squad this season (players expected to make the 53-man roster in bold):

QB B.J. Daniels, Scott Tolzien
RB Jewel Hampton, D.J. Harper, * Marcus Lattimore, LaMichael James
FB Jason Schepler
WR Chuck Jacobs, Ricardo Lockette, Quinton Patton
TE MarQueis Gray, Vance McDonald
T Carter Bykowski, Luke Marquardt, Kenny Wiggins, Patrick Omameh
G * Al Netter, Wayne Tribue, Joe Looney
DL* Tank Carradine,* Quinton Dial, Lamar Divens, Tony Jerod-Eddie, Lawrence Okoye, Mike Purcell, Ian Williams
OLB Cam Johnson, Travis Johnson, Corey Lemonier
ILB Nate Stupar, Michael Wilhoite, Nick Moody
CB Marcus Cooper, Darryl Morris
S Trenton Robinson, Michael Thomas, Eric Reid
P Colton Schmidt

* On non-football injury list (NFI). Can be retained without being placed on practice squad.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/08/21/consolation-prize-who-could-land-on-the-practice-squad/

The list is wrong, Netter isnt on NFI, Marquardt is. And likely goes IR or NFI for the season.

Agreed...saw Netter play last week I believe. Any other errors?

nah, none that I see. Not sure if Tolzien is PS eligible or not. He could be. Not 100% sure.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
nah, none that I see. Not sure if Tolzien is PS eligible or not. He could be. Not 100% sure.

Don't think he is eligible anymore...don't think they'd even bring him back anyhow.

Thanks, I updated correctly. ^