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Eric Mangini is in talks with the 49ers (consultant job) *EDIT - HIRED*

  • dj43
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49er TEs have been weak at recognizing defenses and finding open areas in a zone. Also adjusting routes to be the "hot read" so Kaepernick can go to them quickly when under a blitz. I don't see anything in Mangini's background that suggests he can teach this. He may be able to do it but we won't know until the season starts.

This offense needs some new thinking if it is to become more than just Stanford Part 2. I don't see how Mangini would play in that. Let's hope he has more than we have seen so far.
Originally posted by dj43:
I'm

49er TEs have been weak at recognizing defenses and finding open areas in a zone. Also adjusting routes to be the "hot read" so Kaepernick can go to them quickly when under a blitz. I don't see anything in Mangini's background that suggests he can teach this. He may be able to do it but we won't know until the season starts.

This offense needs some new thinking if it is to become more than just Stanford Part 2. I don't see how Mangini would play in that. Let's hope he has more than we have seen so far.

Yeah, the offense looked exactly like it did the year prior WITH Mangini in the booth (with less or no fly sweeps, throw backs to VD, seam routes and wheel routes...and certainly no check-downs). So Mangini to a TE position?

Are we just keeping him on staff as a contigency plan for losing Roman at some point?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
I'm

49er TEs have been weak at recognizing defenses and finding open areas in a zone. Also adjusting routes to be the "hot read" so Kaepernick can go to them quickly when under a blitz. I don't see anything in Mangini's background that suggests he can teach this. He may be able to do it but we won't know until the season starts.

This offense needs some new thinking if it is to become more than just Stanford Part 2. I don't see how Mangini would play in that. Let's hope he has more than we have seen so far.

Yeah, the offense looked exactly like it did the year prior WITH Mangini in the booth (with less or no fly sweeps, throw backs to VD, seam routes and wheel routes...and certainly no check-downs). So Mangini to a TE position?

Are we just keeping him on staff as a contigency plan for losing Roman at some point?

I think it's a Harbaugh pet thing ... really. We need less projects and more real/proven contributors who can really add some creativity to this offense.
  • buck
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Are we just keeping him on staff as a contigency plan for losing Roman at some point?

Who knows?
if he helps improve Vance, I'm all for it.

#trustinHarBaalke
I stopped a second, and re-hashed in my head the decision to move Mangini to TE coach, I think it might actually work (despite lack of experience). Mangini just isn't a very f**king good off-field consultant, yet he has on-field player knowledge that ranges back to the stuff he was brought up with, whilst riding the coattails of Bill Belichick.

Mangini might be worth more on the field than in a booth, and Jim could be having Mangini educate the entire offense into the defense's mind-set/what they're looking for. From what I understand, a lot of great coaches do this in the NFL (creating consultant positions to better both sides of the ball). This might have been done just because of that NFC Championship game (how how atrocious our tight ends performed, getting mauled/intimated by Seattle).
[ Edited by SnakePlissken on Feb 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM ]
After New England Manginus was was anything but. While its not uncommon for a coach to be able to coach any position on the field, it strange that we took a former head coach and defensive specialist and made him a TE's coach. While I think he will probably be able to do an OK job, I kind of wonder why #1- He is staying around, an #2- Why we are keeping him around. I don't know how he is going to help the TE's and keep them from being intimidated. Vernon strikes me as a guy that just doesn't have much of that in him. Same for McDonald.
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Originally posted by BadgerHawk:
After New England Manginus was was anything but. While its not uncommon for a coach to be able to coach any position on the field, it strange that we took a former head coach and defensive specialist and made him a TE's coach. While I think he will probably be able to do an OK job, I kind of wonder why #1- He is staying around, an #2- Why we are keeping him around. I don't know how he is going to help the TE's and keep them from being intimidated. Vernon strikes me as a guy that just doesn't have much of that in him. Same for McDonald.

Perhaps in case Fangio gets a HC gig next year.
would this move be the equivalent to hiding a potential fringe player on the team books by putting him on IR?

there must be real talk of Vic going after next season, the front office making sure they are a ahead of the curve.
WTF maybe Mangini is paying them off or he's blackmailing JH?
Originally posted by BadgerHawk:
After New England Manginus was was anything but. While its not uncommon for a coach to be able to coach any position on the field, it strange that we took a former head coach and defensive specialist and made him a TE's coach. While I think he will probably be able to do an OK job, I kind of wonder why #1- He is staying around, an #2- Why we are keeping him around. I don't know how he is going to help the TE's and keep them from being intimidated. Vernon strikes me as a guy that just doesn't have much of that in him. Same for McDonald.


He's going to bring in a woulded army veteran and parade him around, talking about how football is like war and how the veterans friends died for a similar principle to the game of football.
Maybe we are stashing him to replace Donatell (DB coach) or even Fangio (DC) when they retire. Then again I don't see them going anywhere any time soon although I think Donatell's contract is up either now or after this year. Like you guys said could be in case of a head coaching. Maybe we are just over thinking it and like Harbaugh said hes an all around good football guy and someone they want on their staff no matter what position it's at.

Mods, can we update the thread title to say TE Coach for 2014 or something of that nature?
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
WTF maybe Mangini is paying them off or he's blackmailing JH?

Mangini stinks, and I'll never understand why he is even on the staff. He sucked as a head coach and when he was at New England, I'm sure it was all Belichick.

I see him more as the assistant that get stuff done for you like your dry cleaning and stuff. Coaching is not his thing.
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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
WTF maybe Mangini is paying them off or he's blackmailing JH?

Conspiracy theory time.....

Mangini was told we'd trade Jim if he didn't agree to an extension this season and we'd make him our new HC. When we opted not trade Jim we had to make Mangini the TEs coach as an apology.

Did I come up with a good enough connection between Mangini and this insanity about trading Harbaugh to Mangini's last place of employment?
[ Edited by sfout on Feb 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM ]
Hopefully he's better at coaching TE's than he is at challenging plays on the field.
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