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Return to the mean

Originally posted by KegBert:
Apparently something is getting lost here. Let me further simplify this since you continue to completely confuse my point.

Op said Vance helps RZ O with ability to catch jump balls. You disagreed, specifically citing his lack of this in the college ranks.

I then pointed out that our coaching staff has demonstrated an ability to get more out of their players above and beyond what they where capable of in college. Again never did I once say Vance would become some RZ monster. I merely pointed out that it is short sighted to rule RZ production out just because he didnt do it in college.

You then went on to make a straw man argument out of my Bruce reference and somehow managed to bring in MJ and Bigfoot into the conversation. Am I missing anything?

Nope not missing a thing. Guy is huge and can jump out of the house. Strange he had 2 touchdowns last year. Rice must of just had terrible coach's with no clue how to use him. Also for all our experiments that worked there was two that failed.

You say don't count out the coaches, I say I don't think any of us have an idea what the coachs will do or not do. I actually think their unpredictability is one of our real strength's. I also don't think they give us much idea of their actual plans. As game days approach they will absolutely refuse to answer questions about game plans etc. So I assume anything out there mouth about anything is bs.

But long story short I think saying we will be solving problems with rookies is always a bit of a stretch. Ala balmer and aj jenkins. Remember what people (including myself) were saying about them. Now its nice to dream but thats all any of us are doing at this point.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
@ Carolina
@ Houston
@ Indy
@ Atlanta
@ NYG

(all 10am games)

Exactly. And, let's not forget that their 8-0 home record last year featured one of the most botched calls in NFL history, an uncharacteristic Brady interception late in the game that led to a 1 point win and some questionable calls that led to a 6 pt win in a comeback against the Rams. I expect the ball to bounce the wrong way for them quite a few times this season and for them to fade. The Niners, on the other hand, were pretty unlucky last year when you get right down to it. The kicker booted a few games all by himself, Delanie Walker dropped a couple passes in the end zone, they changed QB's half way through the season and Culliver was draped all over receivers but couldn't find the ball all year.
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Originally posted by Need4Speed:
Nope not missing a thing. Guy is huge and can jump out of the house. Strange he had 2 touchdowns last year. Rice must of just had terrible coach's with no clue how to use him. Also for all our experiments that worked there was two that failed.

You say don't count out the coaches, I say I don't think any of us have an idea what the coachs will do or not do. I actually think their unpredictability is one of our real strength's. I also don't think they give us much idea of their actual plans. As game days approach they will absolutely refuse to answer questions about game plans etc. So I assume anything out there mouth about anything is bs.

But long story short I think saying we will be solving problems with rookies is always a bit of a stretch. Ala balmer and aj jenkins. Remember what people (including myself) were saying about them. Now its nice to dream but thats all any of us are doing at this point.

Except no one expected AJ Jenkins to even see the field last year. He was buried in the depth chart behind 4 good receivers. I don't think anyone expected to lose two of those guys with major knee injuries. I think they drafted him with this year in mind. The Balmer pick had nothing to do with this regime. Sure McDonald might not live up to his potential, but we can use him like we did with Aldon and maximize whatever specialty he can bring to the table. Given he is the biggest and strongest receiving option we have, it's not a stretch to think that this coaching staff has him penciled in as a red-zone target specialist as early as this year. What you are missing from the previous poster, is that our staff has proven to be capable in coaching guys up even if their college production didn't reflect a certain talent. He was simply putting 1 and 1 together.

There could be a myriad of factors to explain why he didn't have a lot of TDs at Rice. Was he being double and triple teamed because he was their most talented player? How good was their QB and offense? How good are their coaches? Did he have a lot of targets? I honestly don't know, but it's rather silly to paint him in a negative light because his college team wasn't able to maximize his ability.
[ Edited by AmpLee on May 6, 2013 at 12:03 PM ]
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Except no one expected AJ Jenkins to even see the field last year. He was buried in the depth chart behind 4 good receivers. I don't think anyone expected to lose two of those guys with major knee injuries. I think they drafted him with this year in mind. The Balmer pick had nothing to do with this regime. Sure McDonald might not live up to his potential, but we can use him like we did with Aldon and maximize whatever specialty he can bring to the table. Given he is the biggest and strongest receiving option we have, it's not a stretch to think that this coaching staff has him penciled in as a red-zone target specialist as early as this year. What you are missing from the previous poster, is that our staff has proven to be capable in coaching guys up even if their college production didn't reflect a certain talent. He was simply putting 1 and 1 together.

There could be a myriad of factors to explain why he didn't have a lot of TDs at Rice. Was he being double and triple teamed because he was their most talented player? How good was their QB and offense? How good are their coaches? Did he have a lot of targets? I honestly don't know, but it's rather silly to paint him in a negative light because his college team wasn't able to maximize his ability.

He was their (rice's)4th offensive option. There Qb had great touch but seemed to have a bit of a weak arm.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89916&draftyear=2014&genpos=QB
Which you would think would lead to more jump ball passes.
So no not any of the reasons you listed, When he was working exclusively as a wr (junior year) he had 8 TD's which is pretty darn good. He was there main offensive threat receiving that year. But I don't doubt him redzone option but didn't see him do jump balls. Eiffert with similar size and combine numbers is an amazing jump ball receiver but it was obvious in college that was his thing. I just didn't see any of that with Vance. He does find little spots in zone and blocks defenders with his body well. I imagine he won't be the first coverage option either if he finds his way onto the field that is. But like I said earlier I just never count on a rookie till I see em play. Even Rice as a rookie played like a rookie the majority of the year.
For every Football Outsiders there are 10 times more who see the Niners as one of the SB favorites. But, all that doesn't matter. It's what happens on the field that counts. With their 2013 off-season, I think the team's done quite a bit to "return to the mean". Like Anquan Boldin...Glenn Dorsey...Colt McCoy (don't laugh, he's a tough kid)...Dan Skuta (will help restore ST's to glory)...Eric Reid...Tank Carradine...Corey Lemonier...Quinton Dial...Phil Dawson (31 of 33 FG's 7 of 7 over 50 yds)...Marcus Lattimore (likely won't play in 2013, but brings size & toughness)...Quinton Patton (183 catches, almost 2600 yds, 24 TD's)...Nnamdi Asomugha.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Except no one expected AJ Jenkins to even see the field last year. He was buried in the depth chart behind 4 good receivers. I don't think anyone expected to lose two of those guys with major knee injuries. I think they drafted him with this year in mind. The Balmer pick had nothing to do with this regime. Sure McDonald might not live up to his potential, but we can use him like we did with Aldon and maximize whatever specialty he can bring to the table. Given he is the biggest and strongest receiving option we have, it's not a stretch to think that this coaching staff has him penciled in as a red-zone target specialist as early as this year. What you are missing from the previous poster, is that our staff has proven to be capable in coaching guys up even if their college production didn't reflect a certain talent. He was simply putting 1 and 1 together.

There could be a myriad of factors to explain why he didn't have a lot of TDs at Rice. Was he being double and triple teamed because he was their most talented player? How good was their QB and offense? How good are their coaches? Did he have a lot of targets? I honestly don't know, but it's rather silly to paint him in a negative light because his college team wasn't able to maximize his ability.

Thank you. This is all I was saying. No more, no less.
Originally posted by KegBert:
Not saying there is no room for improvement, there always is, But towards the end of the season it was our defense that was strugaling. In the playoffs our D, on average, gave up around thirty points a game. The argument could be easily made that our offense in fact did the bailing out of the defense and our abysmal ST's.

Never in my 27 years on this planet have I ever seen someone spell struggling like that. Bravo.
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Originally posted by est1985:
Never in my 27 years on this planet have I ever seen someone spell struggling like that. Bravo.

I lol'd.
Originally posted by Riot:
Originally posted by est1985:
Never in my 27 years on this planet have I ever seen someone spell struggling like that. Bravo.

I lol'd.

Haha yeah that was bad but give me a break, I wrote that post on my phone at 12:30 in the morning and was probably about 6 screwdrivers deep.

We here to talk football or nitpick spelling on a message board?
Give KegBert a break. I'm sure he meant to type that word. "Strugaling", from the old Prussian language word "strugal", to fight on against the odds, even though you're real tired. It's an ancient word and I'm sure he meant to use it. In fact, KegBert should be commended for a tremendous grasp of the language. It was quite a strugal there at the end. Right, Kegbert?
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Give KegBert a break. I'm sure he meant to type that word. "Strugaling", from the old Prussian language word "strugal", to fight on against the odds, even though you're real tired. It's an ancient word and I'm sure he meant to use it. In fact, KegBert should be commended for a tremendous grasp of the language. It was quite a strugal there at the end. Right, Kegbert?

Finally somebody understands my genius!
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Originally posted by GNielsen:
Give KegBert a break. I'm sure he meant to type that word. "Strugaling", from the old Prussian language word "strugal", to fight on against the odds, even though you're real tired. It's an ancient word and I'm sure he meant to use it. In fact, KegBert should be commended for a tremendous grasp of the language. It was quite a strugal there at the end. Right, Kegbert?

Good save
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Give KegBert a break. I'm sure he meant to type that word. "Strugaling", from the old Prussian language word "strugal", to fight on against the odds, even though you're real tired. It's an ancient word and I'm sure he meant to use it. In fact, KegBert should be commended for a tremendous grasp of the language. It was quite a strugal there at the end. Right, Kegbert?

what the f**k am I reading
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Football Outsiders said we'd go 8-8...dumbasses

that's why they're JUST outsiders, they don't have the correct INSIDE information
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Originally posted by xtm059:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Give KegBert a break. I'm sure he meant to type that word. "Strugaling", from the old Prussian language word "strugal", to fight on against the odds, even though you're real tired. It's an ancient word and I'm sure he meant to use it. In fact, KegBert should be commended for a tremendous grasp of the language. It was quite a strugal there at the end. Right, Kegbert?

what the f**k am I reading

maybe he meant he was just "struggling" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc65NC44dSk