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Lawrence Okoye Thread of Epic Awesomeness

Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Okoye's a huge project...and fans expecting to see him on the roster may well be disillusioned. He'd have to beat out a player who's been in football for years...a not-very-likely scenario. He may even have a tough time landing on the PS...that's what I see as the reality of the situation.

I would not say delusional. I actually think it is ridiculous to pigeon-hole every player as a minimum 3 year project. If he gets individual attention for 6 months, he should be ready to contribute at some level as long as his athletic ability allows him to. If talented enough, any player can contribute at any point depending on his role.

Of course, we don't expect this dude to be able to learn and apply the entire playbook. THAT is the project. But if you don't believe players can specialize at something within months, then I think that is delusional. Some players get things after a few months, some players who have played their entire life may take 3 years in the NFL game, and some athletes, no matter how little experience they have, are able to contribute immediately if coached properly and used strategically.
Waste of a roster spot for a one trick pony. Best case scenario is Practice squad

It all depends on what that trick is. That's why I think it is funny how quickly we can pigeon-hole into the learning curve or how coaches want to apply players.

How many thought Bruce Miller would be a starting FB and a damn effective one?
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Okoye's a huge project...and fans expecting to see him on the roster may well be disillusioned. He'd have to beat out a player who's been in football for years...a not-very-likely scenario. He may even have a tough time landing on the PS...that's what I see as the reality of the situation.

I would not say delusional. I actually think it is ridiculous to pigeon-hole every player as a minimum 3 year project. If he gets individual attention for 6 months, he should be ready to contribute at some level as long as his athletic ability allows him to. If talented enough, any player can contribute at any point depending on his role.

Of course, we don't expect this dude to be able to learn and apply the entire playbook. THAT is the project. But if you don't believe players can specialize at something within months, then I think that is delusional. Some players get things after a few months, some players who have played their entire life may take 3 years in the NFL game, and some athletes, no matter how little experience they have, are able to contribute immediately if coached properly and used strategically.
Waste of a roster spot for a one trick pony. Best case scenario is Practice squad

It all depends on what that trick is. That's why I think it is funny how quickly we can pigeon-hole into the learning curve or how coaches want to apply players.

How many thought Bruce Miller would be a starting FB and a damn effective one?
Miller had played football before though, Okoye has never played american rules football
Originally posted by Joecool:
It all depends on what that trick is. That's why I think it is funny how quickly we can pigeon-hole into the learning curve or how coaches want to apply players.

How many thought Bruce Miller would be a starting FB and a damn effective one?


Good point. I'm trying to remain optimistic about Okoye's chances to make the roster but I have serious doubts about it to be totally honest. There's a million guys out there with great measurables that never amount to anything in this league and those are guys who've been playing this game all their lives. Its an unbelievably long road for him but what story it would make if he defies all odds, makes the roster, and actually sees time this season. GO NINERS!
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Okoye's a huge project...and fans expecting to see him on the roster may well be disillusioned. He'd have to beat out a player who's been in football for years...a not-very-likely scenario. He may even have a tough time landing on the PS...that's what I see as the reality of the situation.

I would not say delusional. I actually think it is ridiculous to pigeon-hole every player as a minimum 3 year project. If he gets individual attention for 6 months, he should be ready to contribute at some level as long as his athletic ability allows him to. If talented enough, any player can contribute at any point depending on his role.

Of course, we don't expect this dude to be able to learn and apply the entire playbook. THAT is the project. But if you don't believe players can specialize at something within months, then I think that is delusional. Some players get things after a few months, some players who have played their entire life may take 3 years in the NFL game, and some athletes, no matter how little experience they have, are able to contribute immediately if coached properly and used strategically.
Waste of a roster spot for a one trick pony. Best case scenario is Practice squad

It all depends on what that trick is. That's why I think it is funny how quickly we can pigeon-hole into the learning curve or how coaches want to apply players.

How many thought Bruce Miller would be a starting FB and a damn effective one?
Miller had played football before though, Okoye has never played american rules football

Yes but the same was being said about him. A lot of folks thought of him as a wasted draft pick because of the dramatic position change. Who knows, some would say that a dramatic position change like that would be more difficult because one has to not only learn the new position, but unlearn his old footwork. All Okoye needs to do is learn new footwork. He doesn't need to unlearn anything.
[ Edited by Joecool on Jul 22, 2013 at 10:01 AM ]
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Snitches don't make the team

Actually, the key word there is "team." It's a team, not a gang.
My only worry is he takes Tomsula's time away from coaching up Tank, Lemonade, etc. Okoye will require a lot of 1 on 1 coaching.
Okoye turns 22 this year, tank as a rookie and aldon are both 24 this year while dial just turned 23....given how fast okoye picked up the discus and with tomsula to coach him up surely it's worth the gamble that in a year or two he develops into something interesting? If the physicality of training camp is too much as some have suggested then it'll be all over soon enough anyway. As to the YouTube clip and as an Aussie that's rugby league not rugby union - similar in some ways but union physically more demanding (albeit okoye was a winger which means he really wouldn't have been hit given his physique)...
Showing good things with pads on.
Coach H mentioned Okoye's long arms and how he "locked up" with OL better. I am assuming that means his long arms allow him to lock up and then do a swim move, or some such...and then is able to get by the OL. Is that about correct? Or not?
Practice squad for the next two years... and that's fine.
It's hard to know if this Harbaugh remark isn't another one of his attempts to pump a guy up because the training camp report I read said that Okoye was being pushed around and out of plays.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
It's hard to know if this Harbaugh remark isn't another one of his attempts to pump a guy up because the training camp report I read said that Okoye was being pushed around and out of plays.

And then you realized who the author of that report was and decided to forget that nonsense.
Originally posted by natrone06:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
It's hard to know if this Harbaugh remark isn't another one of his attempts to pump a guy up because the training camp report I read said that Okoye was being pushed around and out of plays.

And then you realized who the author of that report was and decided to forget that nonsense.
Was it a Grant Cohen article? I just don't remember where I read it.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by natrone06:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
It's hard to know if this Harbaugh remark isn't another one of his attempts to pump a guy up because the training camp report I read said that Okoye was being pushed around and out of plays.

And then you realized who the author of that report was and decided to forget that nonsense.
Was it a Grant Cohen article? I just don't remember where I read it.

Lol Yeah. Even if Okyoe is struggling its so hard to take Cohn seriously. His lack of basic football knowledge is crazy. Here are reports from same practice.

From Cohn - 5. Lawrence Okoye – He looked like someone who had never played football before. He was not a factor against the run or the pass, he did not use leverage and he frequently got washed out of the play.

From Barrows - Finally, you're probably wondering how British rookie Lawrence Okoye fared in his first-ever contact practice. The verdict: He wasn't awful. In fact, Okoye handled himself nicely early in practice in pass-rush drills against offensive tackle Kenny Wiggins.

Like Okoye, Wiggins is tall and long-armed. With Okoye rushing from the left defensive end position, Wiggins stood him up on his first attempt. Okoye was guilty of encroachment on the second go-around. But on the third, he got low and inside of Wiggins and collapsed the pocket.

As a third stringer, Okoye got a lot of reps at right defensive end during team and 11-on-11 drills. He had trouble finding the ball and was uprooted and shoved to the side a lot by guards Mike Iupati and Wayne Tribue, who have a real advantage in leverage against the long-legged Okoye. But again - he wasn't embarrassed, and it has to be considered a positive first step for someone who never went through a full, contact practice until 2:30 p.m. today.




@natrone06

Thanks. Yeah, I respect Barrows and Maicco analysis a LOT more than Cohen's. I'm not sure about Cohen. As long-time Chronicle readers will probably remember, Lowell Cohen is kind of old school in that he often writes pieces that tend to provoke responses because in the old days, that would increase readership of the paper. So Lowell sometimes verges on the absurd. You have to wonder if some of that rubs off on junior. And, let's face it - brazen nepotism is just annoying. Would Grant Cohen be where he is if his Dad wasn't Lowell Cohen? Please.