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Jun 1, 2013 at 6:32 PM
- BayArea
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Boldin and Hams are in my opinion #1 and #2 if both are heaalthy without Crabs. The rest of the guys with will batttle for #3 and it's a toss up. Not too bad but my guess is we will see a lot of guys swapped out over the season.
Jun 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM
- Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by BayArea:
Boldin and Hams are in my opinion #1 and #2 if both are heaalthy without Crabs. The rest of the guys with will batttle for #3 and it's a toss up. Not too bad but my guess is we will see a lot of guys swapped out over the season.
I think Manningham gets strangely overrated the same way Josh Morgan was overrated when he was here. He's a quality NFL #3 WR, nothing more, nothing less. If it gets to a point in the season where the 49ers are looking at him as a #2 WR, then that means Jenkins is officially a bust and Patton is f**king up.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jun 1, 2013 at 7:13 PM ]
Jun 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
You have to keep in mind he played for the New York Giants who don't have any slouches at starting receiver. Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks can match up with almost any pair of starting receivers in the league. Most teams in the league aren't so fortunate and on most of those teams, Mario Manningham would probably be number 2. With that said, I would love if Jenkins and Patton could ultimately beat out Manningham. If we do lose Michael Crabtree, we would have 3 very capable receivers with ample experience ready to go.
It could also be said that Eli can make his WR's look considerably better than they actually are. I doubt strongly that Nicks or Cruz are #1 WR's on most other NFL teams. Remember non-Carolina Steve Smith? He had 1200 yards receiving with Eli throwing the ball to him. Ever since then he's been showing up on milk cartons.
Hopefully that's the kind of QB that Kaepernick becomes, where you can have a team filled with #2 and #3 WR's who look lights-out because the QB is money.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jun 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM ]
Jun 1, 2013 at 10:07 PM
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There are a lot of different variables involved in why one rookie is more contribution ready than another. It depends on what keeps them form doing so and how long it will take them to correct the problem. Sometimes the question is if the problem is even correctable. They may have experienced success at a lesser level but not be able to translate that on the next.
Most rookies have to deal with learning the new playbook. Usually in the NFL they are much more numerous and complex. Some individuals are fast studies. Others it takes more time. And then there are some who just don't have the ability to do so at all. So they are either cut or if their talent warrents they have their playbooks cut down. Both Lockette and Jenkins seemed to have difficulties memorizing the playbooks. How much of a problem it is for them remains to be seen. Lockette and I assume Jenkins have worked hard in the off season on the plays. As to Patton he may in fact be a quick study and be ready to play early if their are not other variables that hold him back.
Another problem that Lockette needed to work on was his route running. He has done a lot of work on that also this last off season. Jenkins has also worked on his routes.
To me the most important unknown and short coming that Jenkins has in need of correction is his strength. He worked hard this off season but in his case is it even correctable? Some of you might wonder why I am making so much of this particular point? Well there are certain minimum requirements of skills and qualities that dictate if players will succeed at specific positions. One requirement, as mentioned before, for the offense is being able to memorizing a playbook. You cant do that and you cant play. For Jenkins I see his core strength as a deal breaker also.
It seems that except for learning the playbook ( which he might do very quickly ) it seems that Patton has of yet shown no shortcomings that might label him as noncontributory. Except he is more suited to the slot and not as an edge receiver which the #2 in relation to Boltin should be.
It seems to me that in Harbaugh throwing all three, Lockette, Jenkins and Patton into the mix to compete for the #2 he is revealing his plans. I think I see what he is doing. As I stated Lockette and Jenkins are more suited for the position opposite Boldin. The best case scenario would be to have an edge receiver who would stretch the defense. Ergo either Lockette or Jenkins. Both still carry question marks in relation to route running, knowing the plays and one specifically his core strength. Then we have Patton who (other than you general rookie issues) has less issues but is not as ideally suited for the spot. This is one smart coach. He is just not throwing three guys at the position rather there is multifaceted rhyme to his reasons. Believe me he has all his bases covered. Back up plans for his back up plans. See if you can figure out what he meant when he said someone will emerge.
Most rookies have to deal with learning the new playbook. Usually in the NFL they are much more numerous and complex. Some individuals are fast studies. Others it takes more time. And then there are some who just don't have the ability to do so at all. So they are either cut or if their talent warrents they have their playbooks cut down. Both Lockette and Jenkins seemed to have difficulties memorizing the playbooks. How much of a problem it is for them remains to be seen. Lockette and I assume Jenkins have worked hard in the off season on the plays. As to Patton he may in fact be a quick study and be ready to play early if their are not other variables that hold him back.
Another problem that Lockette needed to work on was his route running. He has done a lot of work on that also this last off season. Jenkins has also worked on his routes.
To me the most important unknown and short coming that Jenkins has in need of correction is his strength. He worked hard this off season but in his case is it even correctable? Some of you might wonder why I am making so much of this particular point? Well there are certain minimum requirements of skills and qualities that dictate if players will succeed at specific positions. One requirement, as mentioned before, for the offense is being able to memorizing a playbook. You cant do that and you cant play. For Jenkins I see his core strength as a deal breaker also.
It seems that except for learning the playbook ( which he might do very quickly ) it seems that Patton has of yet shown no shortcomings that might label him as noncontributory. Except he is more suited to the slot and not as an edge receiver which the #2 in relation to Boltin should be.
It seems to me that in Harbaugh throwing all three, Lockette, Jenkins and Patton into the mix to compete for the #2 he is revealing his plans. I think I see what he is doing. As I stated Lockette and Jenkins are more suited for the position opposite Boldin. The best case scenario would be to have an edge receiver who would stretch the defense. Ergo either Lockette or Jenkins. Both still carry question marks in relation to route running, knowing the plays and one specifically his core strength. Then we have Patton who (other than you general rookie issues) has less issues but is not as ideally suited for the spot. This is one smart coach. He is just not throwing three guys at the position rather there is multifaceted rhyme to his reasons. Believe me he has all his bases covered. Back up plans for his back up plans. See if you can figure out what he meant when he said someone will emerge.
Jun 1, 2013 at 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by willtalk:
There are a lot of different variables involved in why one rookie is more contribution ready than another. It depends on what keeps them form doing so and how long it will take them to correct the problem. Sometimes the question is if the problem is even correctable. They may have experienced success at a lesser level but not be able to translate that on the next.
Most rookies have to deal with learning the new playbook. Usually in the NFL they are much more numerous and complex. Some individuals are fast studies. Others it takes more time. And then there are some who just don't have the ability to do so at all. So they are either cut or if their talent warrents they have their playbooks cut down. Both Lockette and Jenkins seemed to have difficulties memorizing the playbooks. How much of a problem it is for them remains to be seen. Lockette and I assume Jenkins have worked hard in the off season on the plays. As to Patton he may in fact be a quick study and be ready to play early if their are not other variables that hold him back.
Another problem that Lockette needed to work on was his route running. He has done a lot of work on that also this last off season. Jenkins has also worked on his routes.
To me the most important unknown and short coming that Jenkins has in need of correction is his strength. He worked hard this off season but in his case is it even correctable? Some of you might wonder why I am making so much of this particular point? Well there are certain minimum requirements of skills and qualities that dictate if players will succeed at specific positions. One requirement, as mentioned before, for the offense is being able to memorizing a playbook. You cant do that and you cant play. For Jenkins I see his core strength as a deal breaker also.
It seems that except for learning the playbook ( which he might do very quickly ) it seems that Patton has of yet shown no shortcomings that might label him as noncontributory. Except he is more suited to the slot and not as an edge receiver which the #2 in relation to Boltin should be.
It seems to me that in Harbaugh throwing all three, Lockette, Jenkins and Patton into the mix to compete for the #2 he is revealing his plans. I think I see what he is doing. As I stated Lockette and Jenkins are more suited for the position opposite Boldin. The best case scenario would be to have an edge receiver who would stretch the defense. Ergo either Lockette or Jenkins. Both still carry question marks in relation to route running, knowing the plays and one specifically his core strength. Then we have Patton who (other than you general rookie issues) has less issues but is not as ideally suited for the spot. This is one smart coach. He is just not throwing three guys at the position rather there is multifaceted rhyme to his reasons. Believe me he has all his bases covered. Back up plans for his back up plans. See if you can figure out what he meant when he said someone will emerge.
I don't think the strength is as much of an issue as some are making it out to be. Plenty of other receivers out there who struggle to beat press coverage, but when they do and get vertical, watch out. I think AJ's problem was that they really were trying to redshirt him, and during the week, instead of learning the 49ers playbook, he was running scout team plays. I'm by no means excusing him for farking around, not showing up in proper shape last offseason, not putting more time and effort into learning the playbook, but the situation is certainly understandable. As far as his route running, he was a very good route runner in college, I don't see why that should be a limitation as compared to a guy like Lockette. Jenkins carried his team's offense in college, Lockette was a project in college and has been a project in the pro's thus far, I'd like to be optimistic, I just don't see him doing much one way or the other but I'd love to be pleasantly surprised.
Jun 2, 2013 at 6:12 AM
- dtg_9er
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think Manningham gets strangely overrated the same way Josh Morgan was overrated when he was here. He's a quality NFL #3 WR, nothing more, nothing less. If it gets to a point in the season where the 49ers are looking at him as a #2 WR, then that means Jenkins is officially a bust and Patton is f**king up.
It really doesn't matter whether folks over rate Manningham if their point (my point) is that he was doing well last year and is a vet, and the young guys need to compete and win a position over him. Will Jenkins be a bust if he can't bump Crabtree when he comes back?
I really don't understand why you give Jenkins one year to become a starter...or he's a bust. It takes every player a different rate to actualize talent. He did almost nothing last year so if he becomes a third option this year, bumping Williams, that will show progress.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jun 2, 2013 at 6:13 AM ]
Jun 2, 2013 at 8:21 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
It could also be said that Eli can make his WR's look considerably better than they actually are. I doubt strongly that Nicks or Cruz are #1 WR's on most other NFL teams. Remember non-Carolina Steve Smith? He had 1200 yards receiving with Eli throwing the ball to him. Ever since then he's been showing up on milk cartons.
Hopefully that's the kind of QB that Kaepernick becomes, where you can have a team filled with #2 and #3 WR's who look lights-out because the QB is money.
Steve Smith had microfracture knee surgery when he left NY, which is often a career-ender. There is more in play here than the transendence of Gomer Manning
Jun 4, 2013 at 7:11 AM
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Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
So after all that you're agreeing with us, right?
BTW I do believe that Harbaugh "expects" that at least one (or more) of Jenkins, Patton and Lockette to beat out Manningham. Semantics aside, he pretty much said so. Patton is a rookie. I'm hoping that this happens. Let's see.
Sorry, missed this! In my expectations for the year I generally go with vets over young players until they take the job away. There are so many nuances to playing WR that it may take awhile for a young guy to fully understand the speed and intensity of the game. Manningham has been through that and has shown an ability to get open off the line of scrimmage. Boldin is...Boldin...so those would be my guesses at starting WR for this year--IF Manningham comes back healthy. The issue I am most concerned with regarding Manningham is injury...is he injury prone? He's played in 16 game once in five years.
Jerry Rice was not a great player right away and no one outworked him. Hope these young guys understand how important those extra hours are!
Jun 4, 2013 at 8:07 AM
- wysiwyg
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All indications are that Williams will probably be available from Day 1 in TC.
Manningham won't play until maybe midseason. Crabs probably not until December.
I see this as a blessing in disguise.
We will of course run a ton (3 headed monster -- I don't think Latt sees the field this year). I think McDonald will be a pleasant surprise. Kaep will develop better chemistry with VD and one of the young guys (AJ or Patton) will emerge. I think AJ starts the year opposite Boldin. Might be Patton. I think Lockette will get a chance too and Kyle will slowly work his way back into the rotation.
We should be humming by November and then Mario and Crabs come back before the end of the season / playoffs. The one thing that plagued us the past two years (no WR depth) will now be a strength.
Gonna send out Candlestick with a bang by winning the NFC Championship right where it all started. A fitting end to the old girl before she is blown up like an old Vegas casino.
Manningham won't play until maybe midseason. Crabs probably not until December.
I see this as a blessing in disguise.
We will of course run a ton (3 headed monster -- I don't think Latt sees the field this year). I think McDonald will be a pleasant surprise. Kaep will develop better chemistry with VD and one of the young guys (AJ or Patton) will emerge. I think AJ starts the year opposite Boldin. Might be Patton. I think Lockette will get a chance too and Kyle will slowly work his way back into the rotation.
We should be humming by November and then Mario and Crabs come back before the end of the season / playoffs. The one thing that plagued us the past two years (no WR depth) will now be a strength.
Gonna send out Candlestick with a bang by winning the NFC Championship right where it all started. A fitting end to the old girl before she is blown up like an old Vegas casino.
Aug 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM
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Bump. So it looks like Patton is catching passes again per twitter reports, albeit still in a blue jersey, and is having his way with DBs in 1-on-1 drills. I'm praying to the almighty pie in the sky that he can be this year's TY Hilton. Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
Aug 10, 2013 at 5:00 PM
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Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
Bump. So it looks like Patton is catching passes again per twitter reports, albeit still in a blue jersey, and is having his way with DBs in 1-on-1 drills. I'm praying to the almighty pie in the sky that he can be this year's TY Hilton. Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
I'm hoping he gets on the field soon and get playing time the kid is the king of the screen passing game im excited to watch him
Aug 10, 2013 at 5:26 PM
- OnTheClock
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Really anxious to see him play. Would love to see him do enough to win one of the top three spots. Right now, until Jenkins shows something, I don't see him being used for much of anything outside a deep speed decoy or a fly-sweep package player.
Williams really belongs in the slot. For whatever reason, as a starter he's always struggled to consistently get open. Would be really nice to see the rookie earn a starting spot. I think he, like Kendall Hunter, was drafted below where he should've gone.
1. Boldin
2. Patton
3. Williams
4. Jenkins
5. Collie OR Hall
6. Osgood OR Moore OR Lockette
When Manningham comes back, one of those bottom five would obviously be gone. If he looks like his old self, he might easily take the #2 spot.
Williams really belongs in the slot. For whatever reason, as a starter he's always struggled to consistently get open. Would be really nice to see the rookie earn a starting spot. I think he, like Kendall Hunter, was drafted below where he should've gone.
1. Boldin
2. Patton
3. Williams
4. Jenkins
5. Collie OR Hall
6. Osgood OR Moore OR Lockette
When Manningham comes back, one of those bottom five would obviously be gone. If he looks like his old self, he might easily take the #2 spot.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Aug 10, 2013 at 5:27 PM ]
Aug 16, 2013 at 4:25 PM
- Pillbusta
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Dude can catch again. Let's see tonight hopefully
Aug 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM
- Hitman49
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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Dude can catch again. Let's see tonight hopefully
yes hopefully he gets in the first half for a lil bit...
Aug 16, 2013 at 4:31 PM
- Young2Rice
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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Dude can catch again. Let's see tonight hopefully
Hope he gets some reps with KAep