The Quinton Patton Tank of Truth

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I may catch flack for saying this.....but from where I'm standing and looking...........I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see Chad Hall make the roster over Lockette.

I got your back ;-), it takes a special type of player to be considered a Heisman candidate playing for the Air Force Academy. With our horrible WR injury luck these past two years, we may even carry up to 7 receivers if MM doesnt start out on the PUP list. Obviously for that to happen Hall or Lockette need to also become special team studs.

I will concur as well! Everyone falls in love with the speedy unknown but the guys who have been in camp a few times often have the edge. Also has experience at multiple positions--including returns.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I may catch flack for saying this.....but from where I'm standing and looking...........I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see Chad Hall make the roster over Lockette.

That would not be a shock to anyone lol

With all the work they're getting from coaches and from Kaepernick himself and considering the fact that the Niners used a first and a fourth rounder, I'll be surprised if Jenkins and Patton don't make the squad. The wildcard is Lockette and he's the one who has been working the closest with Kaepernick learning the playbook and how to catch those fastballs. It's easy to predict failure, but how often have you seen a situation where the QB is working so closely with receivers on routes and reads? I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't know about Chad Hall, but I'll be surprised if at least one of the three younger guys doesn't step up and be a major receiving threat this year.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I may catch flack for saying this.....but from where I'm standing and looking...........I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see Chad Hall make the roster over Lockette.

I got your back ;-), it takes a special type of player to be considered a Heisman candidate playing for the Air Force Academy. With our horrible WR injury luck these past two years, we may even carry up to 7 receivers if MM doesnt start out on the PUP list. Obviously for that to happen Hall or Lockette need to also become special team studs.

I will concur as well! Everyone falls in love with the speedy unknown but the guys who have been in camp a few times often have the edge. Also has experience at multiple positions--including returns.

Chad Hall was added late to the Heisman race in 2007. He may have been the AFA Falcons' best player, but played on a service academy that went 9-3 against mediocre competition so that is hardly anything special. Especially in an AFA offense that ran the triple option.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Chad Hall was added late to the Heisman race in 2007. He may have been the AFA Falcons' best player, but played on a service academy that went 9-3 against mediocre competition so that is hardly anything special. Especially in an AFA offense that ran the triple option.

True, but he has more versatility than the other guys and may even win a spot as a return specialist...the 9ers like versatility! And he will likely play STs with vigor...unlike some high round choices.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/43315/321/third-day-gems-wr-patton

"Like other third day gems, I was and continue to be a huge fan of Patton's, listing him at No. 30 in my top 151 pre-draft rankings. After one day of rookie camp, 49ers beat writer Matt Maiocco wrote "I can tell you that Quinton Patton is nowhere close to being ready. (But that can be said for all of the rookies.)" I did not attend this practice, but based on Patton's collegiate tape I disagree."

I trust Maiocco.

Adjusting to the pro game can take time, though I know the Zone really wants to crown Patton & Lockette ASAP.

Maiocco was wrong about Kap, he's been wrong about plenty. I'll take his analysis noting that Patton has much to work on.

This^^

Maiocco is worse than vanilla, when it comes to player evaluation. One pretty much has to scrap anything he says. That fans will "attend" his chats an ask questions as if he's some kind of authority on players is amusing.

I do agree with Pheonix on Lockette. He is fast approaching his "use by" date. It's difficult to imagine that he'll break out as a #1 or #2 given his history and especially his age. Can anyone recall a player who has been a revelation under similar circumstances? Best one can expect is that he'll be a servicable #4.

Patton's book, on the other hand,has yet to be written. He seems to have it all, minus elite speed.

I rate Jenkins and Patton as front runners to take over as starter. Jenkins slightly ahead. Both ahead of Manningham. That's what I hope plays out.

Because Manningham's is coming back from an injury or base on skills alone?

I don't get all this hype he was a 4th round pick. He's going to be good because Harbaugh likes him? Harbaugh also like Josh Morgan. I'm rooting for the kid I hope he becomes good but it's up to him

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Chad Hall was added late to the Heisman race in 2007. He may have been the AFA Falcons' best player, but played on a service academy that went 9-3 against mediocre competition so that is hardly anything special. Especially in an AFA offense that ran the triple option.

True, but he has more versatility than the other guys and may even win a spot as a return specialist...the 9ers like versatility! And he will likely play STs with vigor...unlike some high round choices.

It was still in the Mountain West Conference, is it a BCS conference no... but its not like he was facing Ivy league teams or Division 2 teams. Up until all these years of conference realignments, the MWC was kind of the 'best of the rest' (non BCS schools.)

Anyways, the one reason I would give Hall a chance was that he showed the coaches enough last year to have his own play designed for him, but who knows... that might have been cause KW was injured and they are similar style players.

Originally posted by BMoore56:
I don't get all this hype he was a 4th round pick. He's going to be good because Harbaugh likes him? Harbaugh also like Josh Morgan. I'm rooting for the kid I hope he becomes good but it's up to him

Because he had a great college career, and is supposedly a very good blocker and route runner.

As far as Lockette, I don't have much hope for him either. He could prove me wrong, but everything that I've read about him just screams "Ted Ginn Jr." to me. Just about as physically talented and fast as any receiver in the league, but just can't put it together to be a good gameday player due to hands or poor route running. Hoping the offseason stuff with Kaep pays off though.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
This^^

Maiocco is worse than vanilla, when it comes to player evaluation. One pretty much has to scrap anything he says. That fans will "attend" his chats an ask questions as if he's some kind of authority on players is amusing.

I do agree with Pheonix on Lockette. He is fast approaching his "use by" date. It's difficult to imagine that he'll break out as a #1 or #2 given his history and especially his age. Can anyone recall a player who has been a revelation under similar circumstances? Best one can expect is that he'll be a servicable #4.

Patton's book, on the other hand,has yet to be written. He seems to have it all, minus elite speed.

I rate Jenkins and Patton as front runners to take over as starter. Jenkins slightly ahead. Both ahead of Manningham. That's what I hope plays out.

I may catch flack for saying this.....but from where I'm standing and looking...........I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see Chad Hall make the roster over Lockette.

You DARE challenge the group-think of the Zone?

Now you've done it!

Too many of you are looking for reasons to write people off.

That's a personality defect on your part you really need to correct.

Any one of these guys could suddenly light it up.

Brent Jones for example in prior years.

Originally posted by WeAreLegend:

Too many of you are looking for reasons to write people off.

That's a personality defect on your part you really need to correct.

Any one of these guys could suddenly light it up.

Brent Jones for example in prior years.

I think some people just don't wanna get their hopes up and get disappointed. But like they say, it's better to have hoped and lost than to never have hope at all.

Originally posted by calinig4life:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/43315/321/third-day-gems-wr-patton

"Like other third day gems, I was and continue to be a huge fan of Patton's, listing him at No. 30 in my top 151 pre-draft rankings. After one day of rookie camp, 49ers beat writer Matt Maiocco wrote "I can tell you that Quinton Patton is nowhere close to being ready. (But that can be said for all of the rookies.)" I did not attend this practice, but based on Patton's collegiate tape I disagree."

I trust Maiocco.

Adjusting to the pro game can take time, though I know the Zone really wants to crown Patton & Lockette ASAP.

Maiocco was wrong about Kap, he's been wrong about plenty. I'll take his analysis noting that Patton has much to work on.

This^^

Maiocco is worse than vanilla, when it comes to player evaluation. One pretty much has to scrap anything he says. That fans will "attend" his chats an ask questions as if he's some kind of authority on players is amusing.

I do agree with Pheonix on Lockette. He is fast approaching his "use by" date. It's difficult to imagine that he'll break out as a #1 or #2 given his history and especially his age. Can anyone recall a player who has been a revelation under similar circumstances? Best one can expect is that he'll be a servicable #4.

Patton's book, on the other hand,has yet to be written. He seems to have it all, minus elite speed.

I rate Jenkins and Patton as front runners to take over as starter. Jenkins slightly ahead. Both ahead of Manningham. That's what I hope plays out.

Because Manningham's is coming back from an injury or base on skills alone?

I have factored in the injury, of course.

But from the skills angle, I hope that Jenkins proves to have skills superior to Manninghams before his injury. I never thought of Manningham as a bone fide #2 and I don't think that the Niners necessarily viewed him as such. You don't force a prospective #2 to take a pay cut, unless you have concluded that he wasn't the solution.

Besides he's really fragile. He had been missing time with the Niners . . . twice inactive, covering several games, before his injury. People are all over Jenkins case because he is ONLY 196 lbs. Well, Manningham is the same height but 10 lbs lighter. Why is that not an issue? I'm extrapolating that the team is more demanding of Jenkins (get stronger, gain weight, etc.) because they are projecting much greater things from him.

Same with Patton. He's bigger, stronger, less fragile. Hopefully smarter. Manningham's route running has been criticized in the past. Although obviously that can be improved.

I want Manningham to recover strongly and to do well. I just don't want to see him as the Niners #2. For the reasons stated, to me that would indicate that the team's receiving corp is weak. Noone has "stepped up".

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:
I think some people just don't wanna get their hopes up and get disappointed. But like they say, it's better to have hoped and lost than to never have hope at all.

Yes, there are many jaded fans who want to play it safe with their emotions. As a fan, I see it as my job to be eternally hopeful, but with an honest degree of skepticism.