The poster has a point. You don't select him with the 40th pick, if you're only hoping to get some production by year 3, knowing the kid has a torn ACL. Rooks get 4 year contracts, correct?
If by the time you're actually getting production, they're a FA, then experimenting with 1st - 3rd rounders is simply too high to be stocking up on torn ACLs.Not only that, but you send a fairly negative subconscious message to a kid taken so high,...basically saying it's ok to be highly paid knowing you're just going to sit the bench "rehabbing" for so long. What's the rush?
Pressure can be good and bad.
Long story short, and regardless of who was in front of him, we can certainly chalk up 2014 as a disappointment. Hopefully he turns into a monster this year and justifies Balke using such a high pick.
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Aug 5, 2015 at 7:25 AM
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Aug 5, 2015 at 7:30 AM
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Originally posted by random49er:
The poster has a point. You don't select him with the 40th pick, if you're only hoping to get some production by year 3, knowing the kid has a torn ACL. Rooks get 4 year contracts, correct?
If by the time you're actually getting production, they're a FA, then experimenting with 1st - 3rd rounders is simply too high to be stocking up on torn ACLs.Not only that, but you send a fairly negative subconscious message to a kid taken so high,...basically saying it's ok to be highly paid knowing you're just going to sit the bench "rehabbing" for so long. What's the rush?
Pressure can be good and bad.
Long story short, and regardless of who was in front of him, we can certainly chalk up 2014 as a disappointment. Hopefully he turns into a monster this year and justifies Balke using such a high pick.
Disagree entirely. The previous coaching staff was known for not rotating in younger players or giving them chances to any significant degree.
Aug 5, 2015 at 7:33 AM
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Originally posted by Buchy:Disagree entirely. The previous coaching staff was known for not rotating in younger players or giving them chances to any significant degree.
It's going to be interesting to see what Fangio can do with a defense that is barely as talented as the 49ers second string. I don't see him having the luxury of deciding who plays based on age. I don't see his name being called for HC position in the next couple of years either.
Aug 5, 2015 at 7:33 AM
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Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by btthepunk:Originally posted by Alfienator:Any word from this guy during practice? Seems like he just disappeared.
I read he's been starting on this inside for the first string nickel package.
And getting 'sacks' and QB pressures.
Seems like everyone's getting sacks
Hope the OL will start jelling at some point.
Aug 5, 2015 at 7:37 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by Alfienator:
Any word from this guy during practice? Seems like he just disappeared.
I read he's been starting on this inside for the first string nickel package.
And getting 'sacks' and QB pressures.
Seems like everyone's getting sacks
Hope the OL will start jelling at some point.
I genuinely think we have THE best front 7 (including rotational depth) in the game right now. For the defense, this is like playing against practice dummies right now. It's not even fair TBH. We have new personnel, new scheme and new techniques and a lot of young, raw talent there trying to learn on the fly standing in front of Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Darnell Dockett, etc. This is going to take some time, no doubt!
Aug 5, 2015 at 7:38 AM
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Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
This guy needs to produce or its time to move on. 49ers spent a 2nd rounder #40 overall knowing dam well he had the ACL and in 2 years he hasn't shown squat. This is do or die.
LMAO! Thank GOD you aren't a GM. If it was up to you, you would only have about 10 players on your roster.
Aug 5, 2015 at 7:38 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:Seems like everyone's getting sacks
Hope the OL will start jelling at some point.
Honestly, if the o-line was dominating right now, I'd be way more concerned. That would have me believe that the loss of Smith and McDonald were crippling blows.
Even veteran o-lines that have stayed together have a hard time blocking in no pads or 80 percent speed. There's a lot to shake out before they get it going.
For instance, SC has arguably the best o-lines in the PAC, but the D is kicking butt in practice.
Aug 5, 2015 at 7:40 AM
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Originally posted by random49er:
The poster has a point. You don't select him with the 40th pick, if you're only hoping to get some production by year 3, knowing the kid has a torn ACL. Rooks get 4 year contracts, correct?
If by the time you're actually getting production, they're a FA, then experimenting with 1st - 3rd rounders is simply too high to be stocking up on torn ACLs.Not only that, but you send a fairly negative subconscious message to a kid taken so high,...basically saying it's ok to be highly paid knowing you're just going to sit the bench "rehabbing" for so long. What's the rush?
Pressure can be good and bad.
Long story short, and regardless of who was in front of him, we can certainly chalk up 2014 as a disappointment. Hopefully he turns into a monster this year and justifies Balke using such a high pick.
You get their 5th year option if they aren't activated in year 1 IIRC.
Aug 5, 2015 at 7:42 AM
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Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by ElephantHaley:This guy needs to produce or its time to move on. 49ers spent a 2nd rounder #40 overall knowing dam well he had the ACL and in 2 years he hasn't shown squat. This is do or die.
LMAO! Thank GOD you aren't a GM. If it was up to you, you would only have about 10 players on your roster.
He sounds like he's attended the Dan Snyder School of Management.
Aug 5, 2015 at 7:50 AM
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Originally posted by Buchy:
Disagree entirely. The previous coaching staff was known for not rotating in younger players or giving them chances to any significant degree.
I dont know that you disagree entirely, actually, as I referred to only getting "some" production in 2015 instead of "legitimate" production,...leaving 1 contract year left to shine and leave.
And was it the chicken or the egg? I'm not really interested in figuring it out. Everybody needs to be on the same page. A flier here or there is one thing,... continually doing such is another. I realize there wasn't much room on the roster then, and I expect a trade or two in the midst of the preseason with all the young passrushers we seem to have tearing it up.
Next year we have holes to fill so drafting so high on injured players becomes a moot point I'm sure.
[ Edited by random49er on Aug 5, 2015 at 7:52 AM ]
Aug 5, 2015 at 7:55 AM
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I like what I'm hearing about this guy in camp. I just hope its the talent and not our struggling line. In all seriousness, I dont know how we are going to get all these guys on the field. There seems to be some real depth. Opposing Olines are going to have their hands full in the 4th quarter with all the rotation.
Aug 5, 2015 at 8:15 AM
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Originally posted by random49er:
The poster has a point. You don't select him with the 40th pick, if you're only hoping to get some production by year 3, knowing the kid has a torn ACL. Rooks get 4 year contracts, correct?
If by the time you're actually getting production, they're a FA, then experimenting with 1st - 3rd rounders is simply too high to be stocking up on torn ACLs.Not only that, but you send a fairly negative subconscious message to a kid taken so high,...basically saying it's ok to be highly paid knowing you're just going to sit the bench "rehabbing" for so long. What's the rush?
Pressure can be good and bad.
Long story short, and regardless of who was in front of him, we can certainly chalk up 2014 as a disappointment. Hopefully he turns into a monster this year and justifies Balke using such a high pick.
The poor decision was activating him his rookie season and him not ever playing. They should've kept him out the whole rookie season which would've essentially allowed us to keep him under contract for 4 seasons and allowed him to get nice and healthy. Too late now but certainly when a guy hasn't been given a chance to play you can't knock him for it.
Once he finally got playing time he did well.
Aug 5, 2015 at 8:16 AM
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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I like what I'm hearing about this guy in camp. I just hope its the talent and not our struggling line. In all seriousness, I dont know how we are going to get all these guys on the field. There seems to be some real depth. Opposing Olines are going to have their hands full in the 4th quarter with all the rotation.
We can literally pass rush every single down now with our front 7 and allow Mangini to use personnel matchups and sophisticated pattern-match coverages in the back end while also showing lots of pre and post-snap looks for added confusion. And then if he blitzes a Bowman, Bethea, CB, etc. it won't even be fair.
RDE: Quinton Dial; Tank Carradine & Arik Armstead
NT: Ian Williams; (Glenn Dorsey & Quinton Dial)
LDE: Glenn Dorsey; Darnell Dockett
WILL: Aldon Smith; Eli Harold
TED: Michael Wilhoite; Nick Moody
MIKE: Navarro Bowman; Nick Bellore
SAM: Ahmad Brooks; Aaron Lynch
Look at all these pass rushers who also, are excellent run stoppers as well. That's a TON of different combinations to use there to stop the run and provide a pass rush...even at the same time!
For instance, you can remain stout with Dial - Williams - Dorsey while still bringing the heat with Brooks - Aldon and Bowman on an inside blitz; best of both worlds. You can move Brooks/Aldon/Lynch/Harold around to attack weak parts of an OL (even overload them). Then you can slide Dockett and Carradine inside and get after the QB along the LOS/DL.
Wilhoite and Moody are probably the only two not as experienced at blitzing and bringing pressure but playing the TED, they don't need to be. Also, don't be surprised if you see Dorsey/Dial in the backfield as well a lot. This is the kind of front 7 that could cause a lot of issues for every OL in the game. And the sooner Mangini finds the right OL to attack, look out!
In the interim, you're going to continue to hear Brock and Wright and a host of others having a field day jumping routes and getting PD's and INT's in TC.
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Aug 5, 2015 at 8:17 AM
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Originally posted by genus49:
...when a guy hasn't been given a chance to play you can't knock him for it.
Once he finally got playing time he did well.
Sure you can...our own SP's do it all the time!
Aug 5, 2015 at 8:53 AM
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Aldon Smith
Ahmad Brooks
Darnell Dockett
Aaron Lynch
Tank Carradine
Corey Lemonier
Eli Harold
If I'm going on talent alone,....I'd challenge anyone to find a deeper team of pass rushing specialists.
I wouldn't be overly concerned about the OLine at this point. I feel good about the interior.
Brandon Thomas and Marcus Martin will have to grow up this training camp. Martin received some good experience last year and should develop inside.
We have an obvious concern at RT,....and though Thomas is slated for inside being a hair too short for tackle, he played tackle at Clemson and has longer arms than Anthony Davis and 5 out of 6 of this year's 1st round Olinemen.
Pears is a concern out there for now until Davis is back or Thomas develops.
Ahmad Brooks
Darnell Dockett
Aaron Lynch
Tank Carradine
Corey Lemonier
Eli Harold
If I'm going on talent alone,....I'd challenge anyone to find a deeper team of pass rushing specialists.
I wouldn't be overly concerned about the OLine at this point. I feel good about the interior.
Brandon Thomas and Marcus Martin will have to grow up this training camp. Martin received some good experience last year and should develop inside.
We have an obvious concern at RT,....and though Thomas is slated for inside being a hair too short for tackle, he played tackle at Clemson and has longer arms than Anthony Davis and 5 out of 6 of this year's 1st round Olinemen.
Pears is a concern out there for now until Davis is back or Thomas develops.