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No matter if your looking at this season or next season, WE NEED GORDON. I'd rather risk a two + a player on Gordon, than using a 1st or 2nd on a WR in the draft.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
This BIG Time!

pasodoc9erVeteranPosts:
We need to USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE. Roman is slow on the uptake, and most times doesn't even use what we have. You don't like the receivers we got? Well, then get a better OC, who WILL USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE.

Exactly. Roman absolutely sucks getting wr the ball. I'd like to see keap actually try to throw the ball to Baldwin more than once every other game.
Originally posted by bigwads:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
This BIG Time!

pasodoc9erVeteranPosts:
We need to USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE. Roman is slow on the uptake, and most times doesn't even use what we have. You don't like the receivers we got? Well, then get a better OC, who WILL USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE.

Exactly. Roman absolutely sucks getting wr the ball. I'd like to see keap actually try to throw the ball to Baldwin more than once every other game.

Or maybe what we have is insufficient to run the passing game Harbaugh and Roman want to run with Kap. I dont have the stats right now, but i saw some statistic a few weeks ago that we were throwing it down field a high percentage of the time. It just so happens the only person we have right now that can stretch the field is our TE.

No one knows what our passing game would look like if we had a full stable of competent WR's with different skill sets to bring to the table and complement one another, because for three seasons, outside of Crabtree, and this season Boldin, we have had the most pathetic WR stable in the NFL. How long are they going to ride out the who's who list of nobodys at the WR position?

I have been very critical of Roman in the past, but the failure to address the WR position falls squarely on Baalkies shoulders.
Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham = A major talented WR corps.

We thought we would have them healthy for the season but with Manningham coming in mid-season.

Last year you dumped on the staff for having weak special teams and defensive holes.

They not only fixed those things but had us in great shape at receiver also entering the season.

Enter key injuries.

But you want to claim they have failed to address the receiver position?

Really?

We are one game out of first place in the NFC.
Originally posted by bigwads:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
This BIG Time!

pasodoc9erVeteranPosts:
We need to USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE. Roman is slow on the uptake, and most times doesn't even use what we have. You don't like the receivers we got? Well, then get a better OC, who WILL USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE.

Exactly. Roman absolutely sucks getting wr the ball. I'd like to see keap actually try to throw the ball to Baldwin more than once every other game.

Agreed. I've always disliked our setup with a passing game coordinator and a running game coordinator. I think without the same person calling the plays its hard to get a nice continuity and flow going offensively in the passing game. I just hope once Roman leaves that we can get someone in here that can handle both and scheme better to get the WR involved in the offense more. Seattle doesn't have any big time receivers (baldwin, tate, Rice, ) yet they have a descent passing game because their OC schemes to get them the ball. I would like to see what Baldwin could do with at least 5 or 6 legit targets a game.
Originally posted by 951NINER:
FWIW Schefter thinks it makes sense to trade for Gordon by giving CLE a 2nd and Jon Baldwin-

• Browns WR Josh Gordon to the 49ers for a second-round pick and WR Jon Baldwin: No matter what they say, the Browns are willing to deal Gordon for the right price. So far no one has met it, not with Gordon one strike away from a year-long suspension. But San Francisco still could use another wide receiver, Cleveland could use more picks, and the Browns already have shown they are not shy about dealing away playmakers for those.





http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9868354/schefter-blitz-five-trades-make-sense


A 2nd and Baldwin ? Damn, I wanted to give the kid a chance. If that's what it takes, then be it.
Originally posted by 49erWay:
Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham = A major talented WR corps.

We thought we would have them healthy for the season but with Manningham coming in mid-season.

Last year you dumped on the staff for having weak special teams and defensive holes.

They not only fixed those things but had us in great shape at receiver also entering the season.

Enter key injuries.

But you want to claim they have failed to address the receiver position?

Really?

We are one game out of first place in the NFC.

Despite our WR core.

Im sorry you are unable to be critical of the 49ers, but i call it like i see it. For as good as the FO/Staff has been, they arent perfect.

Was i wrong about the ST, or the defensive depth last season? The season proved i was very right. I called the team on it very early in the season, and looks like the FO agreed with me because they addressed it thoroughly and heavily in the off season.

As far as the WR position goes, Boldin was a gimme. Manningham has always been injury prone, and Boldin and Crabtree have essentially the same skill set. What is the WR core now? Injurys at the WR position happen, in case you havent watched our last two post seasons. Crabtree got injured with plenty of time left in camp to address it, but what do they do? They rely on nobodys to fill in until people get healthy. That is a huge gamble, and we are winning in spite of that gamble, not because of it.

I wont even get into how they addressed the WR group in 2011/2012.

Not only that, but who do we have under contract for 2014? Crabtree, Patton, and Baldwin.....You feel that is sufficient going forward?

The only argument you have for anything is our record.
Originally posted by E-49er:
Originally posted by bigwads:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
This BIG Time!

pasodoc9erVeteranPosts:
We need to USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE. Roman is slow on the uptake, and most times doesn't even use what we have. You don't like the receivers we got? Well, then get a better OC, who WILL USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE.

Exactly. Roman absolutely sucks getting wr the ball. I'd like to see keap actually try to throw the ball to Baldwin more than once every other game.

Agreed. I've always disliked our setup with a passing game coordinator and a running game coordinator. I think without the same person calling the plays its hard to get a nice continuity and flow going offensively in the passing game. I just hope once Roman leaves that we can get someone in here that can handle both and scheme better to get the WR involved in the offense more. Seattle doesn't have any big time receivers (baldwin, tate, Rice, ) yet they have a descent passing game because their OC schemes to get them the ball. I would like to see what Baldwin could do with at least 5 or 6 legit targets a game.

Ummmm wut?

Roman calls all the plays and Harbaugh has veto power....

The other coordinators only help with the game plan, as it should be.

I have seen other people as confused as you are, not sure why its so confusing.
Our passing game has dropped to 32nd. Yes, we have the worst aerial attack in the NFL. I wonder, if Manningham and Crabtree come back and actually produce, will we still be the cellar dweller of NFL as far as passing yards go? And will the coaches try to put the ball in the air more than 20 times a game? That's a laughable amount of attempts for a playmaker like Kaepernick. He should be up around 30-35. Will that happen when Crabtree and Mario come back? I hope so, because I don't like being the 32nd ranked passing team in the league.
I can't wait for Tuesday to come and go. Make the deal in offseason, when we know our draft position.

Plus we DONT need Gordon, we have a good core, Crabs, Mario, Boldin, VD, and Vance will work for the playoffs, and why does everyone think Gordon is the savior? He isn't gonna be THE GUY to get us ring 6. The analogy of Dillon to Pats to seeing Gordon to 49ers makes no sense. Dillon was a star, Gordon is a good player, with off the field issues.

Unless they are willing to take a low 2nd, I wouldn't touch him. Too risky. Rely on our current group. 5-2, we have a good roster. I dont know where Gordon even fits in. Crabs, Boldin and Mario would all play over him. Osgood on STs, and who knows if they keep Kyle Williams. idk how this trade would work. They aren't gonna trade away MM. He was loyal and took a pay cut to stay, difference between what he and Goodwin did compared to Haralson. Haralson wasn't gonna start, so we did him a favor and sent to a place to start.
Originally posted by bigwads:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
This BIG Time!

pasodoc9erVeteranPosts:
We need to USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE. Roman is slow on the uptake, and most times doesn't even use what we have. You don't like the receivers we got? Well, then get a better OC, who WILL USE THE RECEIVERS WE HAVE.

Exactly. Roman absolutely sucks getting wr the ball. I'd like to see keap actually try to throw the ball to Baldwin more than once every other game.

That I definitely agree. The kid has never been given a proper chance. I think he is capable of making plays only if Kap will throw to him. He has shown he can make catches being jammed up. I would love to see more action from the kid.

I don't know what it is, we just have a knack of just throwing to 1-2 receivers tops and the rest of the receiving corps is totally ignored by the QB and/or OC for some reason. Just look at Ted Ginn now, the guy is balling in Carolina, he is the leading receiver of the Panthers.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I can't wait for Tuesday to come and go. Make the deal in offseason, when we know our draft position.

Plus we DONT need Gordon, we have a good core, Crabs, Mario, Boldin, VD, and Vance will work for the playoffs, and why does everyone think Gordon is the savior? He isn't gonna be THE GUY to get us ring 6. The analogy of Dillon to Pats to seeing Gordon to 49ers makes no sense. Dillon was a star, Gordon is a good player, with off the field issues.

Unless they are willing to take a low 2nd, I wouldn't touch him. Too risky. Rely on our current group. 5-2, we have a good roster. I dont know where Gordon even fits in. Crabs, Boldin and Mario would all play over him. Osgood on STs, and who knows if they keep Kyle Williams. idk how this trade would work. They aren't gonna trade away MM. He was loyal and took a pay cut to stay, difference between what he and Goodwin did compared to Haralson. Haralson wasn't gonna start, so we did him a favor and sent to a place to start.

The same can be said about everyone thinking Manningham and Crabs will come back and be saviors. Both are coming off injuries, and while the Crabtree articles of late are encouraging, we have no idea how healthy he will actually be for us this season. Manningham is another injury waiting to happen, and what happens if we have another injury at WR before then?

Manningham took a pay cut, because if he didnt he would be unemployed right now. If anything the club has been loyal to him.

Im Sorry AB, but you are dead wrong if you think Manningham would get playing time over Gordon. I usually agree with you in alot of ways, but your evaluation of Gordons talent and skillset have been way off.

Everyone talks about this great WR core we have, as if they are playing and we arent the worst passing team in the NFL right now. Fact is our WR core is awful, and there is no guarantee what Manningham and Crabtree will offer us this season.

Again, i dont, and never did think the trade would happen, but this WR group scares the s**t out of me come playoff time..
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
No matter if your looking at this season or next season, WE NEED GORDON. I'd rather risk a two + a player on Gordon, than using a 1st or 2nd on a WR in the draft.

I agree with him to the fullest. When you look at good WR corps there is always atleast one wideout that can stretch the field(which would be Gordon), one thats more of a possession/route running WR (Boldin,Crabtree), and the quick route/slot WR(Mario M.).... When you look at all the teams with a good to great passing game they all pretty much fit this mold. With the 49ers missing the deep threat makes it tough for Boldin and Crab(when he returns) to work because they have less room to work with due to the rest of the WRs only able to get about 15 yrds down the field and DBs able to play closer to line.
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Good news.

Only three more days before the trade deadline.

In my opinion, the team should....... wait a minute. What matters is what the team actually does., not my opinion.

I still do not think that we will not pull that proverbial trigger, but if we do I will hope that the move was a good move.

In the next three days we will find out the decision.
[ Edited by buck on Oct 25, 2013 at 8:11 PM ]
Give CLE the second

Sounds like Patton won't be back this year.


Would rather have Boldin, Mario, Crabs, Gordon, and Baldwin going into the playoffs

Fair Kyle as #6 if you don't count Osgood as a WR