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Vance "Big Mac" McDonald Thread

I have a different beef than others. I'm not saying he will be a career bust. I think he will be decent or solid in the future. A good #2 TE, or a decent starter maybe. But, this year, he has sucked as a receiver. I know he is a rookie, but for being a high pick he has disappointed. Not asking him to move mountains, but he has had a couple of big opportunities and failed. We are a super bowl caliber team and everyone has to be held accountable. Even our super high draft picks. This is the NFL and he is a professional. Its okay if we don't all kiss his ass and be nice to him.

After losing Delanie, we were counting on him for a couple of receptions per game. Maybe a few big plays in the year. He has not done that. Best thing he has done is trucked Richard Sherman.
Originally posted by sacniner:
I have a different beef than others. I'm not saying he will be a career bust. I think he will be decent or solid in the future. A good #2 TE, or a decent starter maybe. But, this year, he has sucked as a receiver. I know he is a rookie, but for being a high pick he has disappointed. Not asking him to move mountains, but he has had a couple of big opportunities and failed. We are a super bowl caliber team and everyone has to be held accountable. Even our super high draft picks. This is the NFL and he is a professional. Its okay if we don't all kiss his ass and be nice to him.

After losing Delanie, we were counting on him for a couple of receptions per game. Maybe a few big plays in the year. He has not done that. Best thing he has done is trucked Richard Sherman.

Just remember, Delanie wasn't much for years. I don't think Vance should take as long, but have a little perspective.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by sacniner:
I have a different beef than others. I'm not saying he will be a career bust. I think he will be decent or solid in the future. A good #2 TE, or a decent starter maybe. But, this year, he has sucked as a receiver. I know he is a rookie, but for being a high pick he has disappointed. Not asking him to move mountains, but he has had a couple of big opportunities and failed. We are a super bowl caliber team and everyone has to be held accountable. Even our super high draft picks. This is the NFL and he is a professional. Its okay if we don't all kiss his ass and be nice to him.

After losing Delanie, we were counting on him for a couple of receptions per game. Maybe a few big plays in the year. He has not done that. Best thing he has done is trucked Richard Sherman.

Just remember, Delanie wasn't much for years. I don't think Vance should take as long, but have a little perspective.

You may be right, but I'm only talking about this year. I'm not trying to be an arm chair scout or psychic. We can only judge from what we've seen. On this type of team, the time is now. Potential is great, but we are Super Bowl contender and he was drafted with the idea of contributing this year. He was a high pick and in today's NFL high picks are usually counted on to contribute immediately.
I'm not sure why he hasn't been able to capitalize on his opportunities...strange...maybe it's just an opportunities thing...
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Just remember, Delanie wasn't much for years. I don't think Vance should take as long, but have a little perspective.

Not to mention Vernon Davis too. He couldn't catch a cold his first few seasons.
[ Edited by mustangmele on Dec 25, 2013 at 1:56 PM ]
People who are talking about keeping perspective and bring up Delanie need to remember one things themselves... Delanie was a 6th round pick and it's great he turned out as well as he has. If he was a bust no one would have batted an eyelash. Vance on the other hand is a 2nd round pick. Is it wrong to expect a bit more?

I understand he doesn't get many opportunities but that's all the more reason to make the most of it when you do. When we are only passing 50% of the time a receivers mistakes become more glaring.
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People who are talking about keeping perspective and bring up Delanie need to remember one things themselves... Delanie was a 6th round pick and it's great he turned out as well as he has. If he was a bust no one would have batted an eyelash. Vance on the other hand is a 2nd round pick. Is it wrong to expect a bit more?

I understand he doesn't get many opportunities but that's all the more reason to make the most of it when you do. When we are only passing 50% of the time a receivers mistakes become more glaring.

He is on the field logging important minutes and actually contributing unlike ... AJJ
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People who are talking about keeping perspective and bring up Delanie need to remember one things themselves... Delanie was a 6th round pick and it's great he turned out as well as he has. If he was a bust no one would have batted an eyelash. Vance on the other hand is a 2nd round pick. Is it wrong to expect a bit more?

I understand he doesn't get many opportunities but that's all the more reason to make the most of it when you do. When we are only passing 50% of the time a receivers mistakes become more glaring.

forget Delanie for a second...besides he never had dropping issues before last year. BUT

Vernon was the 6th overall pick and was dropping many passes.

here are some interesting stats.

in Vernon's rookie year he caught

20/42 passes so alittle less than half.......for 265 yards

in Vance's rookie year so far he has caught

8/19 passes so again alittle less than half...for 119 yards (which is alittle less yards than half of Vernon's total yards, in less than half the targets)


so basically.... Vance is playing like Vernon did in his rookie season....stat wise. Both are averaged about the same yards per catch (Vernon 13.3, Vance 14.9)

now yes Vernon only played in 10 games...but again I think Target to catch ratio is what matters here.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Dec 25, 2013 at 3:12 PM ]
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
He is on the field logging important minutes and actually contributing unlike ... AJJ
Absolutely. Don't take my post as being a Vance hater. I just wanted to add some perspective. He makes key blocks, but it hurts to watch him miss what could be huge catches (ie:the panthers one).

I'm happy with Vance and I'm sure he'll improve given time. You just expect more out of a second round pick though.
I believe there is an offensive mindset of JH that you don't get to handle the ball til you prove yourself by knowing the plays and then blocking for all those plays. After that you may get a few crumbs. Also it is impressive the time vance is getting on the field because he is a rook...and coach doesn't think much of rooks. The mere fact he is playing is a good sign for me.

Oh, also don't forget Kassim lining up at RE or maybe RT and nobody on the D was within 10 yds of him, and he handled that pass like an egg. The guy towered over the DE, the LBs, everybody. He will be fun to watch in the future. Love to see that play again.
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People who are talking about keeping perspective and bring up Delanie need to remember one things themselves... Delanie was a 6th round pick and it's great he turned out as well as he has. If he was a bust no one would have batted an eyelash. Vance on the other hand is a 2nd round pick. Is it wrong to expect a bit more?

I understand he doesn't get many opportunities but that's all the more reason to make the most of it when you do. When we are only passing 50% of the time a receivers mistakes become more glaring.

Well I did say that it shouldn't take as long to come around as Delanie did. However, rookie, year, few targets, I'm not mad at all. Someone stated it was 19 on the entire year I believe. I'd like to see him do more, but I'd also like to see him get more opportunities.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People who are talking about keeping perspective and bring up Delanie need to remember one things themselves... Delanie was a 6th round pick and it's great he turned out as well as he has. If he was a bust no one would have batted an eyelash. Vance on the other hand is a 2nd round pick. Is it wrong to expect a bit more?

I understand he doesn't get many opportunities but that's all the more reason to make the most of it when you do. When we are only passing 50% of the time a receivers mistakes become more glaring.

Well I did say that it shouldn't take as long to come around as Delanie did. However, rookie, year, few targets, I'm not mad at all. Someone stated it was 19 on the entire year I believe. I'd like to see him do more, but I'd also like to see him get more opportunities.

Totally agree.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Why are people loving this pick? He's big and fast in a straight line, that's about it. His hands are VERY suspect, and I don't see clean routes. I don't know, maybe this one of those "we'll coach him up" picks. Hopefully I'm wrong.

So far you are right

Not something I wanted to be right about. Hopefully he turns it around.
BTW: I'm watching this "stumble" by McDonald on DVR and I'm not so sure he even stumbled. CK threw it out too far (not off much but more of a throw where VD would have been with his speed) and McDonald looked like he was half diving just to get a hand on it. Anyone else see that? The ball was coming in hot.
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
He is on the field logging important minutes and actually contributing unlike ... AJJ
Absolutely. Don't take my post as being a Vance hater. I just wanted to add some perspective. He makes key blocks, but it hurts to watch him miss what could be huge catches (ie:the panthers one).

I'm happy with Vance and I'm sure he'll improve given time. You just expect more out of a second round pick though.

Why do people keep saying he "missed it." Go watch the play again...Luke may one HELL of a play on McDonald's arm, ripping it back to ensure McDonald couldn't fully tuck it in. It was just another great play by Luke. NOT a poor play by McDonald. He did his part...