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Vance "Big Mac" McDonald Thread

Originally posted by Garcia:
All jumping the gun on this dude

He will be good

heard the same thing about AJ.
The real problem I have with having expectations for Vance is the track record of the front office in respect to recognizing good receivers.Sure some players need time to develop but with the picks this group has been making I would like to see them have at least one success before I give them the benefit of the doubt.
after how long it took delanie, remember what he did in his first year, i think the jury is still out, the guy has been very good in the blocking game and is pretty fast for his size, hopefully develops to catch a few passes
Originally posted by xela510:
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Here is a concept the zone struggles with it's called develop players. Guy never expects the ball. Why? Kap never throws it to him. Guess what Vernon dropped as many. He was wide open when he dropped his. Yes it was a poor throw. But he gets paid to catch any throw good or bad.

We know what Vernon has to offer. He gets a pass. "Guy never expects the ball" is not an excuse. If he's running a route, he better be ready to catch. He doesnt get the ball because he continues to mess up every time its thrown his way. If he doesnt mess up maybe he will get the ball thrown his way.


Yes he has messed up both times they threw him the ball. He has to be developed. Vernon was terrible his first year. Guy had the same exact issues that Vance has now. Actually keep throwing the ball to him. Delanie was terrible last year. How many passes did he drop.
Originally posted by willtalk:
The real problem I have with having expectations for Vance is the track record of the front office in respect to recognizing good receivers.Sure some players need time to develop but with the picks this group has been making I would like to see them have at least one success before I give them the benefit of the doubt.


Track record? These statements make zero sense. They missed on Jenkins big deal. Jimmy Johnson cut Jimmy Smith. Chris Carter was released from the Eagles. Wes Welker, Cruz, and Keenan McCardell didn't get drafted. Ok McCardell was taken in the twelve round which today doesn't exist. The point is teams can miss on any player.
Originally posted by willtalk:
The real problem I have with having expectations for Vance is the track record of the front office in respect to recognizing good receivers.Sure some players need time to develop but with the picks this group has been making I would like to see them have at least one success before I give them the benefit of the doubt.
where does the doubt come from? aj jenkins and big mac?
big mac is in his rookie year, you can count yourself lucky if your rookie is ready to start in his first year at all.

aj jenkins happens, happens to almost every team in the league.
this f**ker better be on that jugs machine and running routes all week and all off season.
Yes this will help. The guy is learning the important aspect of the game blocking. Receiving can be taught. Look at at Davis.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Yes he has messed up both times they threw him the ball. He has to be developed. Vernon was terrible his first year. Guy had the same exact issues that Vance has now. Actually keep throwing the ball to him. Delanie was terrible last year. How many passes did he drop.

lol VD scored a TD in his first game and suffered a broken leg in his rookie season causing him to miss valuable time. vance is NOTHING like VD in his first year. vernon did (and DOES) have drop problems, but you could see the talent was there. vance has shown none of this. his routes are sloppy and he doesn't have good hands
Originally posted by crabman82:
the new whipping boy, hey someone has to be it

"fans" are pathetic over here...and it's usually the same posters that bash our players.

its ok to criticize our players. But when you hear nonsense about "BUST!/GET RID OF HIM" etc about a ROOKIE...one who gets limited opportunities... who does well in other aspects of his game (run blocking) while learning in his first year..... it's ridiculous.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Yes he has messed up both times they threw him the ball. He has to be developed. Vernon was terrible his first year. Guy had the same exact issues that Vance has now. Actually keep throwing the ball to him. Delanie was terrible last year. How many passes did he drop.

lol VD scored a TD in his first game and suffered a broken leg in his rookie season causing him to miss valuable time. vance is NOTHING like VD in his first year. vernon did (and DOES) have drop problems, but you could see the talent was there. vance has shown none of this. his routes are sloppy and he doesn't have good hands

McDonald hasn't been getting the same number of opportunities as Davis, when he was a rookie. Do you think he would get drop every pass thrown his way?

you can see the physical talent is there. But he's still a rookie in the mental aspect of the game.....but we are doing him no favors throwing him 1 -2 passes a game. Some in Big time situations. (late in the game 3rd and 2 bullet slant pass against the Rams).... (close game against the Panthers, key deep pass)

should've caught both passes yes, but I would hope we can see he is struggling and get him simple passes to help build get him in the rythem...

simple ones like these that he can quickly turn around and use his athleticism.




or heck like I mentioned earlier, quick screen pass to him in a formation opposite of Vernon.... or screen to him, off a playaction to Gore.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Dec 25, 2013 at 11:46 AM ]
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Yes he has messed up both times they threw him the ball. He has to be developed. Vernon was terrible his first year. Guy had the same exact issues that Vance has now. Actually keep throwing the ball to him. Delanie was terrible last year. How many passes did he drop.

lol VD scored a TD in his first game and suffered a broken leg in his rookie season causing him to miss valuable time. vance is NOTHING like VD in his first year. vernon did (and DOES) have drop problems, but you could see the talent was there. vance has shown none of this. his routes are sloppy and he doesn't have good hands

Vance has shown (so far) that he is a solid blocker and not much more (which could be a fail on Baalke's part if he doesn't eventually come around spending a 2nd rounder on a blocking TE ). Being young and a rookie is just not a good enough excuse for not being able to catch a friggin pass this far in the year STILL. He flubs almost every single time he's targeted.
[ Edited by NeonNiner on Dec 25, 2013 at 11:50 AM ]
Originally posted by Afrikan:
McDonald hasn't been getting the same number of opportunities as Davis. Do you think he would get drop every pass thrown his way?

you can see the physical talent is there. But he's still a rookie in the mental aspect of the game.....but we are doing him no favors throwing him 1 -2 passes a game. Some in Big time situations. (late in the game 3rd and 2 bullet slant pass against the Rams).... (close game against the Panthers, key deep pass)

should've caught both passes yes, but I would hope we can see he is struggling and get him simple passes to help build get him in the rythem...

simple ones like these that he can quickly turn around and use his athleticism.




or heck like I mentioned earlier, quick screen pass to him in a formation opposite of Vernon.... or screen to him, off a playaction to Gore.

this league is sometimes capitalizing on the opportunities you do get which would lead to MORE opportunities. vance has had plenty of opportunities to make an impression. he was junk against the colts, he failed to haul in a big time pass from kap against the panthers, he "slipped" on MNF in a big spot... and on and on. no, he doesn't get a ton of opportunities but why would he expect to get MORE when he can't take advantage of the times he has gotten his number called?

i dont think he is a bust at this point but even given his limited chances he has been a huge disappointment to me
Trade him for another seventh round draft pick.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
McDonald hasn't been getting the same number of opportunities as Davis. Do you think he would get drop every pass thrown his way?

you can see the physical talent is there. But he's still a rookie in the mental aspect of the game.....but we are doing him no favors throwing him 1 -2 passes a game. Some in Big time situations. (late in the game 3rd and 2 bullet slant pass against the Rams).... (close game against the Panthers, key deep pass)

should've caught both passes yes, but I would hope we can see he is struggling and get him simple passes to help build get him in the rythem...

simple ones like these that he can quickly turn around and use his athleticism.




or heck like I mentioned earlier, quick screen pass to him in a formation opposite of Vernon.... or screen to him, off a playaction to Gore.

this league is sometimes capitalizing on the opportunities you do get which would lead to MORE opportunities. vance has had plenty of opportunities to make an impression. he was junk against the colts, he failed to haul in a big time pass from kap against the panthers, he "slipped" on MNF in a big spot... and on and on. no, he doesn't get a ton of opportunities but why would he expect to get MORE when he can't take advantage of the times he has gotten his number called?

i dont think he is a bust at this point but even given his limited chances he has been a huge disappointment to me

being that we are in a different situation than we were in during Vernon's rookie year, I understand why Vance isn't getting the same opportunities to grow...like Vernon did.

when you have Boldin, Crabtree, Vernon, and you are a running team...and you are making a run at the playoffs at the hopes of a SuperBowl..... yet I understand it. BUT

I think he could be a valuable weapon in the playoffs for us.....it would've been worth throwing passes his way, than the ones we'd design to Miller.

but yes this league is all about making the best of your opportunities.