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Vance "Big Mac" McDonald Thread

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
consistency or not, that ball hits your hands, you catch it. This dude has more drops than catches. That s**t tonight where he stumbled is inexcusable. Celeck would've made that grab.

Yes because nobody else has stumbled in the history of football before? It happens, let it go. He had an awesome block on Boldin's touchdown and had a couple of other very good blocks. He's shown the ability to get open, he just needs more opportunities to be successful and develop confidence. Over time, he's going to be a very good player.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
consistency or not, that ball hits your hands, you catch it. This dude has more drops than catches. That s**t tonight where he stumbled is inexcusable. Celeck would've made that grab.

celek wouldn't have gotten open. which is the point. vance has shown all year he can beat lb's and he can go deep he just needs to do it more than 3 times a game.

you play 30 snaps and go out on routes on 3 of them and then get targeted on 1 maybe.. lol

what kind of rhythm will you be in?

he's in GREAT blocking rhythm

cause he does it almost every snap
Vance doesn't get many opportunities, but he could also do a better job of taking advantage of the ones that come his way. A lot of his missed opportunities have come on downfield throws on the move. I'd like to see us give him a chance to run a short-intermediate route, sit in a zone, and catch a pass while stationary like the 1st catch of his career against GB that went ~20 yards. Might get his confidence up to get a few easy receptions.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
consistency or not, that ball hits your hands, you catch it. This dude has more drops than catches. That s**t tonight where he stumbled is inexcusable. Celeck would've made that grab.

Yes because nobody else has stumbled in the history of football before? It happens, let it go. He had an awesome block on Boldin's touchdown and had a couple of other very good blocks. He's shown the ability to get open, he just needs more opportunities to be successful and develop confidence. Over time, he's going to be a very good player.


so what's Vernon's excuse?
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Vance doesn't get many opportunities, but he could also do a better job of taking advantage of the ones that come his way. A lot of his missed opportunities have come on downfield throws on the move. I'd like to see us give him a chance to run a short-intermediate route, sit in a zone, and catch a pass while stationary like the 1st catch of his career against GB that went ~20 yards. Might get his confidence up to get a few easy receptions.

we should use him how the Panthers use Greg Olson.... if teams are going to concentrate on Vernon, having McDonald on the other side for a quick screen would be nice. Its not a deep pass, which is usually his first and only pass a game it seems, but a more catchable one that I hope would build his confidence as the game goes on.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Vance doesn't get many opportunities, but he could also do a better job of taking advantage of the ones that come his way. A lot of his missed opportunities have come on downfield throws on the move. I'd like to see us give him a chance to run a short-intermediate route, sit in a zone, and catch a pass while stationary like the 1st catch of his career against GB that went ~20 yards. Might get his confidence up to get a few easy receptions.

we should use him how the Panthers use Greg Olson.... if teams are going to concentrate on Vernon, having McDonald on the other side for a quick screen would be nice. Its not a deep pass, which is usually his first and only pass a game it seems, but a more catchable one that I hope would build his confidence as the game goes on.

Wasnt Gore terrible his first 2 seasons at receiving as well? Vance just needs to get confident again as he was a very good receiver out of Rice.
[ Edited by VaBeachNiner on Dec 24, 2013 at 5:19 AM ]
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Vance doesn't get many opportunities, but he could also do a better job of taking advantage of the ones that come his way. A lot of his missed opportunities have come on downfield throws on the move. I'd like to see us give him a chance to run a short-intermediate route, sit in a zone, and catch a pass while stationary like the 1st catch of his career against GB that went ~20 yards. Might get his confidence up to get a few easy receptions.

we should use him how the Panthers use Greg Olson.... if teams are going to concentrate on Vernon, having McDonald on the other side for a quick screen would be nice. Its not a deep pass, which is usually his first and only pass a game it seems, but a more catchable one that I hope would build his confidence as the game goes on.

Wasnt Gore terrible his first 2 seasons at receiving as well? Vance just needs to get confident again as he was a very good receiver out of Rice.

and so did Vernon when he first got here...but you were able to see his potential because even though he was dropping passes with those big Mickey Mouse mittens he used to wear... he was still given many opportunities per game and made big plays here and there.

McDonald isn't having that luxury. He is getting 1-2 passes a game.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Vance doesn't get many opportunities, but he could also do a better job of taking advantage of the ones that come his way. A lot of his missed opportunities have come on downfield throws on the move. I'd like to see us give him a chance to run a short-intermediate route, sit in a zone, and catch a pass while stationary like the 1st catch of his career against GB that went ~20 yards. Might get his confidence up to get a few easy receptions.

we should use him how the Panthers use Greg Olson.... if teams are going to concentrate on Vernon, having McDonald on the other side for a quick screen would be nice. Its not a deep pass, which is usually his first and only pass a game it seems, but a more catchable one that I hope would build his confidence as the game goes on.

Wasnt Gore terrible his first 2 seasons at receiving as well? Vance just needs to get confident again as he was a very good receiver out of Rice.

and so did Vernon when he first got here...but you were able to see his potential because even though he was dropping passes with those big Mickey Mouse mittens he used to wear... he was still given many opportunities per game and made big plays here and there.

McDonald isn't having that luxury. He is getting 1-2 passes a game.

Agreed, though I think that having him inactive last week against Tampa hurt his psyche as well. Hope he fights through it.
Does anyone think we need to open up the passing game more or at least make attempts to spread the ball around more? With only 25 to 30 passes a game and Boldin and Davis getting about 16 targets between them + throwing Crabtree into the mix? It just isn't enough.

I think Vance can be a decent receiver, but people need to be serious. Even if Vance caught "took advantage" of his opportunities, what would he have, like 9-12 catches this year? I don't think Vance finishing with 20 catches (in a 16 game season) is unrealistic, but he has to be involved in the passing offense enough to do it. We've gone through a full season and we still don't really know what we have in him as a receiver.
Ouch. Vance had a night to forget. To be honest it's a little disheartening the guy has done so little for the team up to this point. If there is a silver lining it is that Davis didn't walk into the NFL the player he is now either. Far from it.
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Dec 24, 2013 at 6:17 AM ]
Vance McDonald will never be the starting #1 TE for the 49ers. He is a blocking TE at best, and if Vernon ever leaves/retires we will need someone else to replace him.
a tall, pass catching TE needs to be high on our draft list.
Vance definitely did not have a good game, but I'm hopeful that he will improve with time. Few Rookie TE's make big impacts in their first season. Zach Ertz and Tyler Eifert have been inconsistent, but given far more opportunities and regularly practice with the first string on their teams. I think that he won't do much until his second season.
Originally posted by Canadian9erfan:
Vance McDonald will never be the starting #1 TE for the 49ers. He is a blocking TE at best, and if Vernon ever leaves/retires we will need someone else to replace him.

There are better TEs to be had out there than Vance McDonald, but I don;'t think we are "replacing" Vernon Davis. With that said, I think Vance can be better than he's shown if he's given some real opportunities.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
consistency or not, that ball hits your hands, you catch it. This dude has more drops than catches. That s**t tonight where he stumbled is inexcusable. Celeck would've made that grab.

Yes because nobody else has stumbled in the history of football before? It happens, let it go. He had an awesome block on Boldin's touchdown and had a couple of other very good blocks. He's shown the ability to get open, he just needs more opportunities to be successful and develop confidence. Over time, he's going to be a very good player.

Yet, another low percentage pass. The other was right into a defender for a yard or two on one of CK's 100mph fastballs from 3 feet away. Listen, McDonald himself is upset with himself, no doubt. He, to me, looks like a guy who's been blocking all year long. Get him some easier AR passes and get him into the passing game. Build up his confidence. These players are not dumb...they know in this offense, you may only get 1 or 2 passes your way and that is a ton of pressure. He's got the blocking down to a science...now get his mindset back to "catching" and get him involved. He's fine. He'll be fine. Develop him!