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Vance "Big Mac" McDonald Thread

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Stay on your feet dips**t

Looked like a total meat head
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
LOL. You guys are too hard on him. He blocks outstanding. He was a monster blocking tonight. Did you miss all those plays? Probably don't even notice. Just wait for pass plays like most fans. Ok so what he tripped. I've seen other players do that. So what. This is a learning year for him. I remember Crabtree as a rookie dropping the ball and Rice as a rookie was dropping passes all over the field. I think he will get it. Besides I think we picked him mostly to block. 6'4" 270 lbs. wasn't a receiving TE. We picked him to be a big, mean, nasty TE extra blocker in the run game. And he is. He's already good at that. I think his pass receiving will improve. He hasn't had huge amounts of opportunities this season. We throw him like one pass a game. If it's not a perfect result the WZ throws a hissy fit. I could see if you threw him 10 passes and he dropped 8. Then I would worry. But not with this.

I agree with most of your post, but no way we used a second-round pick on a blocking tight end.
@ responses ITT
If our O wasn't hinging on every single play, I think we'd be a little a more forgiving.

I still think he's a little green and will flourish in due time.
Originally posted by Godsleftsock:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
LOL. You guys are too hard on him. He blocks outstanding. He was a monster blocking tonight. Did you miss all those plays? Probably don't even notice. Just wait for pass plays like most fans. Ok so what he tripped. I've seen other players do that. So what. This is a learning year for him. I remember Crabtree as a rookie dropping the ball and Rice as a rookie was dropping passes all over the field. I think he will get it. Besides I think we picked him mostly to block. 6'4" 270 lbs. wasn't a receiving TE. We picked him to be a big, mean, nasty TE extra blocker in the run game. And he is. He's already good at that. I think his pass receiving will improve. He hasn't had huge amounts of opportunities this season. We throw him like one pass a game. If it's not a perfect result the WZ throws a hissy fit. I could see if you threw him 10 passes and he dropped 8. Then I would worry. But not with this.

I agree with most of your post, but no way we used a second-round pick on a blocking tight end.

I think he will get better in time. He's a little green and learning. He has made some plays this year. He has made some mistakes too particularly in the passing game.
he sucked tonight
he has to get his number called more often so he can actually make plays.

patton too.
all this while Zach Ertz is ballin.


No wonder harbs hates baalke
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another guy picked because he has a nice body. all projection.

prior to the draft, i watched all i could find on this guy, and it was blatantly clear that he had sub-standard, natural pass-catching ability.
the problem doesn't reside in his gross physical attributes; it's in his fine motor attributes--specifically hand-eye athleticism. he reminds me of a fine size/strength athlete who never played a sport involving a ball that is caught & thrown until high school. looks the part, but his nervous system is not hard-wired for any great athletic moves combining running, acrobatic body control, and ball catching.

as a combo of size/speed athleticism and football playmaking athleticism, he was a 4th round guy. he's similar to vernon in his lack of hand and body control athleticism. an optimistic gm would project him as a jason witten down the road because they are physically similar, but the realist sees the lack of body-control athleticism and hand/eye talent in vance. if the guy is going to drop 20-30% of catchable balls, he will always be an horrendous 2nd rd bust. he's gotta come back next year and cut his drops in half. will power and work can get him there, but he'll never be a great ball catcher--you're born with that.
Good thing this kid is surprisingly effective blocking on the move, or else he'd be completely useless. Funny, because the wrap on him coming out was that his strength is pass catching, but needs time to develop as a blocker. It's been the complete opposite with him. He is very athletic and moves downfield in a hurry, but he literally trips over his own feet.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Dec 23, 2013 at 11:54 PM ]
Originally posted by susweel:
all this while Zach Ertz is ballin.


No wonder harbs hates baalke

Then again eagles throw the ball all over the field and ertz has many opportunities.
Originally posted by Godsleftsock:
I agree with most of your post, but no way we used a second-round pick on a blocking tight end.

But he's not a blocking tight end, he's shown the ability to get open. As times goes on, that connection will develop and he'll start making plays downfield. People really need to stop being so hard on the guy. He's a rookie, coming from a lesser conference, this team in general already has a hard enough time incorporating younger players and McDonald has had a limited amount of targets this season. He had what...2 targets today? One got knocked down on a great defensive play and on the other he slipped but so what? s**t happens. The potential is there, the size, the ability to be a monster in the open field. He had an outstanding block to allow Boldin to waltz into the endzone.


Its amazing how people have this crazy expectation that guys will be up to speed fully in their rookie season. It took Walker a few seasons to develop and improve, I think McDonald is going to be a very good NFL TE, people just need to have patience.
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Then again eagles throw the ball all over the field and ertz has many opportunities.

This is true. Vance has made mistakes, but gets very few opportunities to produce. Just from watching the coaches film on NFL Rewind, as well as the images posted on this forum, McDonald is frequently open but doesn't get the ball thrown his way. We only pass the ball 25 times / game anyways. Most of those targets should go to Crab, Boldin, VD.
Originally posted by susweel:
all this while Zach Ertz is ballin.


No wonder harbs hates baalke

Put Ertz on the 49ers and he basically has the same numbers as McDonald or worse. Ertz looked like s**t until Foles came in as the starter and they started flinging the ball all over the place. What the heck is McDonald supposed to do with 1-2 targets a game? They don't get the ball to him consistently, he makes a mistake and that is it, door gets slammed in his face. Young players make mistakes, other teams let their young players work through them, Bill Walsh believed in letting young players work through them, on this offense, if you're a young player, the deck is already stacked against you due to the preference for veterans, if you screw up once, sorry, that's all she wrote for you buddy. It doesn't make any sense.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
This is true. Vance has made mistakes, but gets very few opportunities to produce. Just from watching the coaches film on NFL Rewind, as well as the images posted on this forum, McDonald is frequently open but doesn't get the ball thrown his way. We only pass the ball 25 times / game anyways. Most of those targets should go to Crab, Boldin, VD.

yup
everything is magnified if you get your opportunities 2 times every 4 games
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
LOL. You guys are too hard on him. He blocks outstanding. He was a monster blocking tonight. Did you miss all those plays? Probably don't even notice. Just wait for pass plays like most fans. Ok so what he tripped. I've seen other players do that. So what. This is a learning year for him. I remember Crabtree as a rookie dropping the ball and Rice as a rookie was dropping passes all over the field. I think he will get it. Besides I think we picked him mostly to block. 6'4" 270 lbs. wasn't a receiving TE. We picked him to be a big, mean, nasty TE extra blocker in the run game. And he is. He's already good at that. I think his pass receiving will improve. He hasn't had huge amounts of opportunities this season. We throw him like one pass a game. If it's not a perfect result the WZ throws a hissy fit. I could see if you threw him 10 passes and he dropped 8. Then I would worry. But not with this.

It tells you just how ridiculous the debate has become when SD by far makes the most reasonable and rational post.