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Vance "Big Mac" McDonald Thread

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Love the pick and McDonalds measurables. I am also convinced that Seattle really wanted him and traded down as soon as he was picked. I have no way of knowing that for sure of course but I'm sticking with it.

I feel the same way. I think Seattle is unorthodox enough to have taken McDonald AND Wilson as well. Both those Rice TE's are physical freaks. I don't buy that Seattle all of a sudden traded down just because, McDonald would have been an awesome weapon for Russell Wilson, big massive target for them.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I feel the same way. I think Seattle is unorthodox enough to have taken McDonald AND Wilson as well. Both those Rice TE's are physical freaks. I don't buy that Seattle all of a sudden traded down just because, McDonald would have been an awesome weapon for Russell Wilson, big massive target for them.

Who knows... they did appear to trade up in front of themselves in the 5th round.
Yes considering his measurables we should make clones and just coach him up at all positions. Because long arms, benchpress, and 40x predict hall of fame careers. If or safety doesn't work out our gets hurt sure we could just plug him in...
[ Edited by Need4Speed on May 1, 2013 at 9:25 PM ]
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This pick didnt excite me, probably the least of the first 5 rounds... but Harbaughs excitement is getting me pumped.

There is something in McDonald thats making Harbaugh and Baalke moist and I'm excited to see what it is.
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Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Arnaz Battle - I liked him a lot, but it's hard to believe there was a time when he was the best receiver on the squad. This team and that team are day and night.

Battle probably wouldn't make the team, and he was the best option... sheesh I the rationalizations I used to make...
Battle and everyone else on that particular receiving group wouldn't have a chance to make it on to this team.

I dont think you guys are giving Battle enough credit... that dude was clutch on third downs, very dependable. Battle in his prime would be the number 4 receiver on this squad... possibly number 3 last year. I'm shocked he did as well as he did as our starting WR.
His name doesnt sound cool enough yet
Originally posted by Need4Speed:
Yes considering his measurables we should make clones and just coach him up at all positions. Because long arms, benchpress, and 40x predict hall of fame careers. If or safety doesn't work out our gets hurt sure we could just plug him in...

We get it, you're upset about the player and are convinced he's going to be a "turrible" TE.........do you have anything else besides negativity to contribute to this thread????
Initially I was sceptical of this pick, but that was mainly because I didn't know much about him. The more I read and think about it the more I think it was a good pick!

It seems he is a more accomplished blocker than Walker was when he came into the league. If he can be a similar player by his 2nd year (even first?) then we will have someone who gives us a lot of options on a cheap contract.

Just looking at his measurables he looks like has the potential to become a complete, maybe dominant, TE
I hope he is a MEAN, nasty guy that likes to cause pain and score points.

BTW, Need4Speed - Are you a Seahawk plant?
Originally posted by bdub2588:
That's not incredibly uncommon at his weight level, but considering how long his arms are its pretty good. Its his movement skills at that size. And, ultimately, his lower body surge might predominately be where power lies.

You guys are crazy. I realize he's 270 lbs but dang 31 reps is still uncommon for a TE. Rob Gronkowski is an absolute monster and IMO looks bigger than McDonald and he put up 23 or 24 reps at the combine if I remember correctly. 31 reps is up there with lineman and is incredibly uncommon considering how long his arms are and the fact that he's a TIGHT END

Guess I have to edit and say its an uncommon trait for any team NOT named the 49ers! Our TE's are beasts!
[ Edited by NinerG94 on May 2, 2013 at 9:06 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
We get it, you're upset about the player and are convinced he's going to be a "turrible" TE.........do you have anything else besides negativity to contribute to this thread????

Lol I think he is an "alright" prospect. I think we reached but I don't hate him. If he is going to be good I think it will be in a couple years not this year. I think it's funny how unrealistic the expectations are for a guy who has proven little. The assumptions are almost completely based on his "practice in shorts." One of the common things being stated is "man he will be a red zone threat." I thought he had 4 touchdowns last year. I was wrong he had 2 he was tied for 4th on his team in TD receptions with the third string TE. If he wasn't considered a redzone target on the RICE owls why are we thinking he will be one for us? This to me is a common sense question not assuming he will be "turrible". My reaction is one in response to the wonderland analysis of our fellow faithful.

Positives+++ He will lock onto defenders with long arms and 4 years of stalk blocking. Put him on a play blocking down field with Crab and Bolden is absolutely scary. He will destroy some defenders blocking in space. He understands how to use his body to block out on sit down routes. Big hitters in the secondary will not punish him, He is just too big too fast he will be a great fourth quarter while ahead target when we are looking to punish the defense with running and hard hitting. Falls forward every play gaining extra yardage and carrying defenders. Understand complex zone schemes and is a smart player. Will find soft spots in zone coverage. Seems to be in the right place at the right time consistently. Never see him making mental mistakes.


Negatives--- Does not get separation against man coverage. Does not use leverage blocking and is used to tracking smaller players while blocking verses In-line blocking.(good news is D.Walker was rarely used as an in-line blocker on the strong side of a play.) Hands are not good and despite his size has a problems holding onto the ball. Most of his yards and production came in spread and frequently ran bubble screens. We will not be giving him 4 bubble screens a game. Doesn't shake defenders doesn't break many tackles despite impressive yac.
Originally posted by Need4Speed:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
We get it, you're upset about the player and are convinced he's going to be a "turrible" TE.........do you have anything else besides negativity to contribute to this thread????

Lol I think he is an "alright" prospect. I think we reached but I don't hate him. If he is going to be good I think it will be in a couple years not this year. I think it's funny how unrealistic the expectations are for a guy who has proven little. The assumptions are almost completely based on his "practice in shorts." One of the common things being stated is "man he will be a red zone threat." I thought he had 4 touchdowns last year. I was wrong he had 2 he was tied for 4th on his team in TD receptions with the third string TE. If he wasn't considered a redzone target on the RICE owls why are we thinking he will be one for us? This to me is a common sense question not assuming he will be "turrible". My reaction is one in response to the wonderland analysis of our fellow faithful.

Positives+++ He will lock onto defenders with long arms and 4 years of stalk blocking. Put him on a play blocking down field with Crab and Bolden is absolutely scary. He will destroy some defenders blocking in space. He understands how to use his body to block out on sit down routes. Big hitters in the secondary will not punish him, He is just too big too fast he will be a great fourth quarter while ahead target when we are looking to punish the defense with running and hard hitting. Falls forward every play gaining extra yardage and carrying defenders. Understand complex zone schemes and is a smart player. Will find soft spots in zone coverage. Seems to be in the right place at the right time consistently. Never see him making mental mistakes.


Negatives--- Does not get separation against man coverage. Does not use leverage blocking and is used to tracking smaller players while blocking verses In-line blocking.(good news is D.Walker was rarely used as an in-line blocker on the strong side of a play.) Hands are not good and despite his size has a problems holding onto the ball. Most of his yards and production came in spread and frequently ran bubble screens. We will not be giving him 4 bubble screens a game. Doesn't shake defenders doesn't break many tackles despite impressive yac.

You wanna site your "analysis"? I've read a few bits on him too and am pretty confident I can regurgitate exactly what you said, but you don't have the slightest bit of context unless you were a fan of Rice and watched them play frequently. Again, I'm going to have to side with Harbaugh (who built TE University at Stanford) and Baalke on this one.
[ Edited by AmpLee on May 2, 2013 at 11:48 AM ]
Originally posted by AmpLee:
You wanna site your "analysis"? I've read a few bits on him too and am pretty confident I can regurgitate exactly what you said, but you don't have the slightest bit of context unless you were a fan of Rice and watched them play frequently. Again, I'm going to have to side with Harbaugh (who built TE University at Stanford) and Baalke on this one.

What makes you think they consider him a starter as our 2nd TE? My analysis is my own, I have seen 4 games vance played, I wasn't taking notes or anything silly. It's just what I remember from the games. I had to watch some highlights to recall them as I do normally. Honestly I wasn't very impressed but to be honest all the games I watched the team "Rice" struggled.
[ Edited by Need4Speed on May 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM ]
Originally posted by Need4Speed:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
You wanna site your "analysis"? I've read a few bits on him too and am pretty confident I can regurgitate exactly what you said, but you don't have the slightest bit of context unless you were a fan of Rice and watched them play frequently. Again, I'm going to have to side with Harbaugh (who built TE University at Stanford) and Baalke on this one.

What makes you think they consider him a starter as our 2nd TE?

Because Vernon is still on the roster.

They moved up in the second round to grab him. They clearly targeted him and he has Harbaugh all giddy. Truth be told, I have no idea how he's going to do this year, but he certainly has potential and this staff has excelled with raw potential.
[ Edited by AmpLee on May 2, 2013 at 12:15 PM ]
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Because Vernon is still on the roster.

They moved up in the second round to grab him. They clearly targeted him and he has Harbaugh all giddy. Truth be told, I have no idea how he's going to do this year, but he certainly has potential and this staff has excelled with raw potential.

I wish I could find a complete replay of the rice vs louisiana tech I was impressed by General Patton he had a huge game and Vance had a real up and down game. If I remember right he had a touch down and fumble. But either way I don't disagree that he has a chance for huge upside. I honestly thought the same of Kentwaan Balmer. But There is alot of work needed and he has the right mentality for it. I will wait and see.